markphotog wrote:
Well, Im glad I posted this question.........I dont want to spread "hear-say".......yet Id hate to put a newbie model into an uncomfortable situation either.
....thanks for all the advice......I think I will stay out of it.....

(BTW, she DID do it for him.....and didnt enjoy it as much as she thought she would)

this thread is dumber than a "I didn't get all my pics" thread. I am going to fart in my hand and smell just to cleanse myself of this foolishness. yesh

Zachary Wade wrote:
This is why I like shooting more experienced models.

They don't even need asking?

Leo Howard wrote:
you should stay out of it.

Fifi-Alexis wrote:
Considering you only have her word (not that I'm calling her a liar) to go on, I would say stay out of it. You weren't there and are not a witness, so you can't really say what went on.

MelissaLynnette LaDiva wrote:
Let her tell her own story.

That says it all.  If there is a story to be told, she can tell it.  Just bear in mind that there are two sides to every story.  It is perfectly plausible that the guy is a pervert.  It is also perfectly plausible that the guy does some adult work as well as the glamour and mainstream that you know him from.   I am not defending or knocking adult work.  He may have merely asked her if she would do more and she was offended.  There are other explainations.  It is also entirely possible that the model simply doesn't like the photographer (but I am not suggesting that she made something up).

I find that many of these things, although sometimes offensive, are less draconian than one would expect.  People react differently to different situations.

The bottom line is this, you weren't there so you really don't know what happened.  If there is a story to tell, let it be her to tell it.  She obviously told you so she is not shy about sharing it.

The guy may well be a pervert, but you shouldn't be the one to make the accuastion.

Wil Cohen wrote:
You mean that's not OK?  Oh Oh.

haha.

MelissaLynnette LaDiva wrote:
Wow.

Let her tell her own story.

Photographers talking shit about other photographers never seems to go over well.

agreed.

markphotog wrote:
I recently spoke to a local model who told me that during a shoot; as she got into the lingerie - the photographer asked her to masturbate.  This is a relatively popular local photographer (Ive never met him) - Is this something that I should warn new models about, or should I keep quiet?  I have mixed feelings.....

If someone asks about him, tell them to talk to her.

I wouldnt say anything else after that.  Let her tell the story, do not get into it.

I hate it when photographers I talk to talk bad about a photographer because 1/2 the time they dont have the whole story.  Always let the person who it happened to tell the story.

markphotog wrote:
I recently spoke to a local model who told me that during a shoot; as she got into the lingerie - the photographer asked her to masturbate.  This is a relatively popular local photographer (Ive never met him) - Is this something that I should warn new models about, or should I keep quiet?  I have mixed feelings.....

BE LIKE SWITZERLAND

markphotog wrote:
I guess this WILL go on forever as I see there are members with over 23,000 posts with less than two years of membership........do the math on that !!   - LOL -

We run this place and the Mods are afraid of us.

Fifi-Alexis wrote:

All my shoots require we both do it in front of each other, I just can't get any baby batter on them.

Fifi-Alexis wrote:
If you want to take a roadtrip to BC, I'm down for that.

Damon Banner wrote:
Of course you are! 

You should drive down and meet me in portland

Climbs in Damons glove box...

markphotog wrote:
I recently spoke to a local model who told me that during a shoot; as she got into the lingerie - the photographer asked her to masturbate.  This is a relatively popular local photographer (Ive never met him) - Is this something that I should warn new models about, or should I keep quiet?  I have mixed feelings.....

You must be one of those Lutherans that they talk about on Prairie Home Companion. What are you gonna do when I ask a model to stick plastic stuff up her pooty, call the police?

I smell a White Knight!

Jake Garn wrote:
repeating stuff that you heard other people talk about is just gossip.

Or slander.  Or defamation of character.

Both of which can get you sued, especially since he is a business competitor (which is how the court would see it, even if you aren't in direct competition).

Fifi-Alexis wrote:

Is it just me, or is it always funny when they think it does.


I would be able to die happy if she decides to come in and defend her reasoning for doing it.



::fingers crossed::

That would be the mother of all train wrecks.   If she does, somebody email me so I can buy stock in a popcorn company.

pretty pleads wrote:
if asked
otherwise
youll sound like a hater

Think of the kittens.

Rachel McFarland wrote:
I committed the cardinal sin:  I only read the first page before responding, so I pretty much said what everyone else already had.  Totally out of character for me; I usually read everything and by the time I get done, anything I might say would be redundant (as it was in this case).  I apologize.

I TOTALLY missed page two (until now).  Dude, "she didn't enjoy it as much as she thought she would"?  That probably means one of two things: 

1).  She was down for it, not scared or embarrassed, and then decided it was lame.
2).  She didn't want to do it and was too scared to stand up for herself and say no.

My guess is option deux.  Either way, I totally retract my "refer other models to her" comment.  She's either a drama queen or someone with no backbone who shouldn't be involved in this crap anyway.

There are more than two options... the story could be completely fabricated by the OP... it could be fabricated by the model... it could have been delivered by the model in a COMPLETELY different manner than how it is being described to us by the OP....

Your option two should have resulted in a visit to the police. And if it did not, it's not necessarily the result of her being "someone with no backbone who shouldn't be involved in this crap anyway".

Mikel Featherston wrote:

There are more than two options... the story could be completely fabricated by the OP... it could be fabricated by the model... it could have been delivered by the model in a COMPLETELY different manner than how it is being described to us by the OP....

Your option two should have resulted in a visit to the police. And if it did not, it's not necessarily the result of her being "someone with no backbone who shouldn't be involved in this crap anyway".

You are entirely correct in your first paragraph.  Simply for the sake of this argument, I'm operating under the assumption that the information given by the OP is valid.

With regard to your second paragraph, Mr. Featherston, I respectfully dissent: 

1).  It is absolutely an individual's choice whether to report an assault or attempted assault to police. 

2).  If an individual is incapable of saying "no" to something he or she is uncomfortable with (or that may create a dangerous environment for either party), then he or she absolutely should not be involved in this line of business.  Generally speaking, members of the talent community can expect to be asked to do things they're uncomfortable with (for one reason or another), and it's essential to be able to say "no" in these situations.

Jerry Coleman  wrote:

LOL.......you got that right.  Which is why we older guys have to behave.

Not if you have money. For some women that's what makes a man hot.

Rachel McFarland wrote:
You are entirely correct in your first paragraph.  Simply for the sake of this argument, I'm operating under the assumption that the information given by the OP is valid.

With regard to your second paragraph, Mr. Featherston, I respectfully dissent: 

1).  It is absolutely an individual's choice whether to report an assault or attempted assault to police. 

2).  If an individual is incapable of saying "no" to something he or she is uncomfortable with (or that may create a dangerous environment for either party), then he or she absolutely should not be involved in this line of business.  Generally speaking, members of the talent community can expect to be asked to do things they're uncomfortable with (for one reason or another), and it's essential to be able to say "no" in these situations.

Well, with respect to your first point... That is absolutely true... however, going to the police is a far better solution to dealing with a problem photographer than telling your story to someone who is in no position to truly help.

Second point: In your first description, you mentioned the possiblity that she felt that there was danger involved in saying 'no'. That would not make her weak.

Mikel Featherston wrote:

Well, with respect to your first point... That is absolutely true... however, going to the police is a far better solution to dealing with a problem photographer than telling your story to someone who is in no position to truly help.

Second point: In your first description, you mentioned the possiblity that she felt that there was danger involved in saying 'no'. That would not make her weak.

Many would agree with your opinion about reporting sexual assault to the authorities, Mr. Featherston, but in all actuality it is the victim's right to choose whom or whom not to report her story to.  Many victims only feel comfortable telling a friend.  I'm certainly not saying that this is the case with the OP's model, and although it's off-topic, it's an important point to understand.

I never said that the specific model in question felt scared or threatened.  The fact that "it wasn't as great as she thought it would be" implies regret at most. 

Certainly someone who is being coerced by physical threat to masturbate in front of a camera would not be considered "weak" (although I don't believe I used that word; I referred to a lack of backbone).  From the information available (and those are the key words), this model participated of her own free will.  I'm sure the OP would have mentioned it if threat had been involved.

I feel like we're starting to split hairs a little, Mr. Featherston, but I felt compelled to respond.

markphotog wrote:
I recently spoke to a local model who told me that during a shoot; as she got into the lingerie - the photographer asked her to masturbate.  This is a relatively popular local photographer (Ive never met him) - Is this something that I should warn new models about, or should I keep quiet?  I have mixed feelings.....

Mind your own beezwax      If he was that much of a "perv" then the model who had a problem with him can tell others.  How do you even reasonably/intelligently think that it's ok to tell others what you've only "heard" through the grapevine.

Someone could call you a perv... that wouldn't make it true though would it?

markphotog wrote:
I recently spoke to a local model who told me that during a shoot; as she got into the lingerie - the photographer asked her to masturbate.  This is a relatively popular local photographer (Ive never met him) - Is this something that I should warn new models about, or should I keep quiet?  I have mixed feelings.....

i have mixed feelings too .. i mix them with scotch !!

Rachel McFarland wrote:

Many would agree with your opinion about reporting sexual assault to the authorities, Mr. Featherston, but in all actuality it is the victim's right to choose whom or whom not to report her story to.  Many victims only feel comfortable telling a friend.  I'm certainly not saying that this is the case with the OP's model, and although it's off-topic, it's an important point to understand.

I never said that the specific model in question felt scared or threatened.  The fact that "it wasn't as great as she thought it would be" implies regret at most. 

Certainly someone who is being coerced by physical threat to masturbate in front of a camera would not be considered "weak" (although I don't believe I used that word; I referred to a lack of backbone).  From the information available (and those are the key words), this model participated of her own free will.  I'm sure the OP would have mentioned it if threat had been involved.

I feel like we're starting to split hairs a little, Mr. Featherston, but I felt compelled to respond.

At this point, I am inclined to believe the entire story is fabricated. If I choose to accept the story as true, based on what I have read from the OP, the model chose to participate in an activity that she later regretted. At this point, I do not know if her expression of regret was an attempt to turn the OP against the other photographer. I do not know if she merely shared a story of something she took responsibility for, yet regretted later. We don't know her attitudes, or her story. We know that the OP was bothered by what she told him.

With what we have, I can't say anything about the model... I can't pass any kind of judgement, because the information has been passed through another filter. But I am not going to start calling into question her character, or her motives, because we have not heard her story. We only have the OP's words. I am just not ready to generate any ill will toward a model whose intent is entirely unknown. If she even exists.

Mikel Featherston wrote:
At this point, I am inclined to believe the entire story is fabricated. If I choose to accept the story as true, based on what I have read from the OP, the model chose to participate in an activity that she later regretted. At this point, I do not know if her expression of regret was an attempt to turn the OP against the other photographer. I do not know if she merely shared a story of something she took responsibility for, yet regretted later. We don't know her attitudes, or her story. We know that the OP was bothered by what she told him.

With what we have, I can't say anything about the model... I can't pass any kind of judgement, because the information has been passed through another filter. But I am not going to start calling into question her character, or her motives, because we have not heard her story. We only have the OP's words. I am just not ready to generate any ill will toward a model whose intent is entirely unknown. If she even exists.

I agree with your supposition.  We can't judge the veracity of the details given because they were provided by a third party.  I was simply offering my view, based on the given scenario.