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Personally, I love how everyone remembers the MLK and when he was shot, but few remember Wounded Knee II (1973, not the massacre of 1890) or the occupation at Alcatraz. Few people know Russell Means, Leonard Peltier, or the recently deceased Vine Deloria, Jr. And how many people actually know which is Native American History Month (and you don't count if you are Native American...  )? Fewer still see what is wrong with sports teams NAMES like the Washington Redskins or MASCOTS like the Cleaveland Indians. (I emphasized names and mascots because names like Indians/Warriors/etc wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the mascots associated with them). ![https://www.bluecorncomics.com/pics/auth.gif]() Any Hispanics or Asians want to jump in with their point of view? P.S. I'm only talking about the 3 main minorities other than African American, but anyone from another minority is welcome to jump in.
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The_N_Word
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-suede-
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Nerlande wrote:
shutup. Exactly my point.
Though I would like to clarify, I AM NOT PUTTING DOWN MLK!!! Just trying to say that if he is recognized, why aren't others? I think MLK did great things and was a great man, but again, thats only ONE minority. The rest are mostly ignored.
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The_N_Word
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Aesa wrote:
Personally, I love how everyone remembers the MLK and when he was shot Oh so that's what we're remembering?
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Tony Lawrence
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Well I do but thats because I read a whole lot about race and I was getting
tired of people quoting people I had never heard of. Dr. King was wonderfull
but America has had so many heroes and all should be honored.
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Aesa wrote:
Personally, I love how everyone remembers the MLK and when he was shot Nerlande wrote:
Oh so that's what we're remembering? Small typo in writing "the MLK", should just be MLK, but notice that I put him first, as in remembering the man, AND when he was shot. Not just that we're remembering he was shot. Please read more carefully.
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Mark Brummitt
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If they had a team called the European WASP's and made me the poster boy I could care less so why would an indian care if a sports team is named "The Indians"?
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-suede-
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Tony Lawrence wrote:
Well I do but thats because I read a whole lot about race and I was getting
tired of people quoting people I had never heard of. Again, exactly my point. Russell Means, Leonard Peltier, and Vine Deloria, Jr are three well known in the Native American community as activists and educators, but mostly unheard of outside.
Dr. King was wonderfull
but America has had so many heroes and all should be honored. Which was part of asking others to join in. What are the names of some Asian activists/teachers that we haven't heard of but should (I only know Midori, and I don't think she counts )?? Hispanic? Other?
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Lens N Light
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Bradford, Vermont, US
Shut up!
I firmly believe the definition that " a hero is just a coward with noplace left to run."
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Claudette V
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Giving ethnic names to teams is not insulting. There is a team in New Jersey called the Spartans. They have a picture of a guy wearing an ancient warrior helmut. Why aren't the Greeks protesting?
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Mark Brummitt
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Clarkston, Michigan, US
Lens N Light wrote:
Shut up!
I firmly believe the definition that " a hero is just a coward with noplace left to run." Actually a hero is one who inspite of his/fear acts with courage.
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The_N_Word
Posts: 5067
New York, New York, US
Claudette V wrote:
Giving ethnic names to teams is not insulting. There is a team in New Jersey called the Spartans. They have a picture of a guy wearing an ancient warrior helmut. Why aren't the Greeks protesting? cause they don't have time to waste like Aesa....
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Mark Brummitt
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Lens N Light wrote:
Shut up!
I firmly believe the definition that " a hero is just a coward with noplace left to run." Actually a hero is one who inspite of his/her fear acts with courage.
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Claudette V wrote:
Giving ethnic names to teams is not insulting. There is a team in New Jersey called the Spartans. They have a picture of a guy wearing an ancient warrior helmut. Why aren't the Greeks protesting? "Whenever a significant number of people identified with a subsection of the human species objects to a name, then the name gets changed."
If the Greeks feel that its insulting, and there is a significant number lobbying for the change, it should be changed. Considering 81% of native americans polled by Indian Country Today felt that the names were "predominantly offensive", I'd think it should be changed.
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LongWindFPV Visuals
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Aesa wrote:
(I emphasized names and mascots because names like Indians/Warriors/etc wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the mascots associated with them).
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Any Hispanics or Asians want to jump in with their point of view?
P.S. I'm only talking about the 3 main minorities other than African American, but anyone from another minority is welcome to jump in. We should use food versus cultures.
The Cleveland Chickens.
New York Hotdogs
San Francisco Sourdoughs
Florida Pizzas
Los Angeles Burritos
Seattle ChowMeins
Now, Kansas City Kumquats DOES have a ring to it.
Could you imagine if we used body parts?
The Cleveland Bigtoes
New York Areolas
San Francisco Testicles
Florida Armpits
Los Angeles Buttocks
Seattle Chins
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The_N_Word
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mmmm I love heroes ![https://www.blackdiamond.ca/lunchsnacks/images/hero_sand.jpg]()
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As an Afro- Cuban woman living in America, I think the reason Martin Luther King, Jr. is so widley recognized and revered is because African Americans fought to make his presence recognized by everyone. We demanded that his birthday be celebrated or at least acknowledged. If other minorities as a whole were as passionate about social change, then those people you mentioned would probably be granted National Holidays as well.
P.S. How long do you really think African American's would allow a baseball team named the Mississippi Blackies to play? My point exactly....
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Claudette V
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Maybe the American Indian tribes could chip in all their casino money and buy the teams. And then they can do whatever they want with the names.
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BasementStudios
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Newton Falls, Ohio, US
Nerlande wrote:
cause they don't have time to waste like Aesa.... Wow are you rude....
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Claudette V
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Nerlande wrote:
mmmm I love heroes
![https://www.blackdiamond.ca/lunchsnacks/images/hero_sand.jpg]() I like your sense of humor. You're funny.
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BasementStudios wrote:
Wow are you rude.... I've tried not arguing with Nerlande, but we apparently just don't have compatible enough personalities. We always butt heads.
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kickfight
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Aesa wrote:
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Any Hispanics or Asians want to jump in with their point of view? LOL. I'm hispanic, and offensive stereotypes are so common to us that it just doesn't faze me. "Yo quiero Taco Bell?" We just laugh, go to work, work hard, and collect our American dream. We just don't have the time to go around whining and bitching and demanding a hand-out.
I respect MLK Jr. for his dedication to a message that is just as true and American as the words on the statue of liberty or the declaration of independence or the constitution. To me, he isn't just some black preacher who was murdered, nor is he a convenient way of managing white guilt. To me, he lived and died for the betterment of ALL people. And for that, he gets my respect and regard.
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Claudette V wrote:
Maybe the American Indian tribes could chip in all their casino money and buy the teams. And then they can do whatever they want with the names. In case you weren't aware, not all tribes are rich. If they were, places like the Pine Ridge Reservation (I believe the largest reservation in the US, though I could be wrong) would not have 60% of its inhabitants living below the National poverty level. Food for thought?
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kickfight wrote:
LOL. I'm hispanic, and offensive stereotypes are so common to us that it just doesn't faze me. "Yo quiero Taco Bell?" We just laugh, go to work, work hard, and collect our American dream. We just don't have the time to go around whining and bitching and demanding a hand-out. I'm not demanding any sort of hand outs. Just recognition for important people (mascots and such was kind of a tangent which I probably should have left out, but ohh well now).
One of the things I was asking about was important but un-recogonized Hispanic leaders. Any? Who? I honestly don't know.
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American Glamour
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The problem is we have come so far and there is yet a long way to go.
My brother marched with MLK in Washington and got clubbed by a police officer. I went to school with Anthony Liuzo whose mother Violet was one of the few white civil rights activists that was assassinated. He works in civil rights to this day.
I was active in the women's movement. I went to Columbus, Ohio to appear before the state senate in favor of the Equal Rights Amendment. I went on a bus with 50 women, I was the only man. I was interviewed on National television where I said: "Now is the time for men to get down off their pedestals and to give women an equal opportunity."
As a child I knew many people who survived the Nazi concentration camps. I remember Madga and Jacque, my mothers hair dresser and estetician. They met when they were liberated from Auschwitz, came to this country and got married.
My father's best friend was a Chaplin in WWII and saw the camps firsthand. That inspired him to get invovled in civil rights and spent a lot of time in the 60's in the South preaching equality.
Another friend of mine a Navajo Indian, was a fine sailboat racer. When I grew up, he had to fight in court to get into a yacht club so he could compete.
Civil rights and human rights is a series of stories filled with heros and regular people who were caught up in the events of the day. Some of those reguar people can be regarded as heros, whether they intended to be or not.
The problem is that civil rights is not a single cause, it is lots of causes. The fact that MLK was so prominent does not minimize the contribution of others or the challenges that other groups faced. He didn't do it alone and racial equality is a lot more than black and white. This country treated native Americans badly, but we have also mistreated others over the years. The Japanese in Hawaii during WWII is another blot on our history.
In the end though, he made a great contribution and paid the ultimate price. It is right to remember him but it would be wrong to forget that there are others as well.
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kickfight
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Aesa wrote:
I'm not demanding any sort of hand outs. Just recognition for important people OK, on what basis? What kind of recognition?
Aesa wrote:
One of the things I was asking about was important but un-recogonized Hispanic leaders. Any? Who? I honestly don't know. You don't know, or haven't looked? Cesar Chavez has been recognized with a US stamp. It took awhile, but low-key, consistent, non-melodramatic pressure turned it around. I don't think a Cesar Chavez Day is truly necessary, but it is observed as a holiday in several states (March 31st).
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Yanique
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Aesa wrote:
Personally, I love how everyone remembers the MLK and when he was shot, but few remember Wounded Knee II (1973, not the massacre of 1890) or the occupation at Alcatraz. Few people know Russell Means, Leonard Peltier, or the recently deceased Vine Deloria, Jr. And how many people actually know which is Native American History Month (and you don't count if you are Native American...)? Fewer still see what is wrong with sports teams NAMES like the Washington Redskins or MASCOTS like the Cleaveland Indians. (I emphasized names and mascots because names like Indians/Warriors/etc wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the mascots associated with them).
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Any Hispanics or Asians want to jump in with their point of view?
P.S. I'm only talking about the 3 main minorities other than African American, but anyone from another minority is welcome to jump in. I admit I don't know who you're talking about, but Dr. King is remembered for the huge impact and difference he made across America, are they known for the work they did just within their community? Just asking, b/c I truly don't know.
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Glamour Boulevard
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Then this will lead to what about the albinos, the people with 2 different colored eyes, national handicap day(I can say it, I have a disability!) and so on.
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Yanique
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Lens N Light wrote:
Shut up!
I firmly believe the definition that " a hero is just a coward with noplace left to run." WTF?
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bencook2
Posts: 3875
Tucson, Arizona, US
Aesa wrote:
Personally, I love how everyone remembers the MLK and when he was shot, but few remember Wounded Knee II (1973, not the massacre of 1890) or the occupation at Alcatraz. Few people know Russell Means, Leonard Peltier, or the recently deceased Vine Deloria, Jr. And how many people actually know which is Native American History Month (and you don't count if you are Native American...)? Fewer still see what is wrong with sports teams NAMES like the Washington Redskins or MASCOTS like the Cleaveland Indians. (I emphasized names and mascots because names like Indians/Warriors/etc wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the mascots associated with them).
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Any Hispanics or Asians want to jump in with their point of view?
P.S. I'm only talking about the 3 main minorities other than African American, but anyone from another minority is welcome to jump in. Maybe people could try being less African American and more American American?
Less Native American.
Less Asian American.
Maybe worry less about the heritage and more about the future.
Put down the headdress and piece pipe or native drum a little more and pick up a marketable skill.
Maybe lead by example to fix stereotypes instead of screaming about it to people that don't care!
Maybe spend your resources towards education instead of suing the NCAA.(or threats to)
For God's Sake lets not assimulate. The ultimate middle finger to Racism. Lets not become like one another. Let's "keep it real".
PS...I would pay money to see the South Carolina Crackers play the Detroit Darkies. Especially if the Crackers arrived in the back of one pickup truck with a rebel flag on it. And the Darkies arrived in one Hoopty with $2000 dollar rims on it. The Crackers could have Budwieser flavored Gator Aid and the Darkies could have Watermellon. The Crackers mascot is Willy the Grand Wizard/Dragon of the KKK(white sheet, tobacco stains). The Darkies is G-money Home-slice the Gangster Raper(pants to ankles, bling). The Crackers Cheerleaders would be the Trailer Park Princesses. The Darkies would be the Back Dat Ass up Biotches.
Of course the teams equipment would be in poor shape because the Crackers would spend all their money on Beer, the mustang and Meth. The Darkies would spend all their money on Crack, Shoes and Seagrams Gin.
^ ^ ^ ^
This is a racist caricature. It also happens to be funny as hell!
Not the Cleveland Indians. (The Redskins is borderline poor taste, but not racist.) Some people are too damn sensitive.
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qphotonyc
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Aesa wrote:
Personally, I love how everyone remembers the MLK and when he was shot... fyi- actually, it's his birthday we're celebrating this week.
mlk was shot to death in april.
robert kennedy
april 4, 1968
indianapolis, indiana
I have bad news for you, for all of our fellow citizens, and people who love peace all over the world, and that is that Martin Luther King was shot and killed tonight.
Martin Luther King dedicated his life to love and to justic for his fellow human beings, and he died because of that effort.
In this difficult day, in this difficult time for the United States, it is perhaps well to ask what kind of a nation we are and what direction we want to move in. For those of you who are black -- considering the evidence their evidently is that there were white people who were responsible -- you can be filled with bitterness, with hatred, and a desire for revenge. We can move in that direction as a country, in great polarization -- black people amongst black, white people amongst white, filled with hatred toward one another.
Or we can make an effort, as Martin Luther King did, to understand and to comprehend, and to replace that violence, that stain of bloodshed that has spread across our land, with an effort to understand with compassion and love.
For those of you who are black and are tempted to be filled with hatred and distrust at the injustice of such an act, against all white people, I can only say that I feel in my own heart the same kind of feeling. I had a member of my family killed, but he was killed by a white man. But we have to make an effort in the United States, we have to make an effort to understand, to go beyond these rathe difficult times.
My favorite poet was Aeschylus. He wrote: "In our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God."
What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence or lawlessness; but love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or they be black.
So I shall ask you tonight to return home, to say a prayer for the family of Martin Luther King, that's true, but more importantly to say a prayer for our own country, which all of us love -- a prayer for understanding and that compassion of which I spoke.
We can do well in this country. We will have difficult times; we've had difficult times in the past; we will have difficult times in the future. It is not the end of violence; it is not the end of lawlessness; it is not the end of disorder.
But the vast majority of white people and the vast majority of black people in this country want to live together, want to improve the quality of our life, and want justice for all human beings who abide in our land.
Let us dedicate to ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world.
Let us dedicate ourselves to that, and say a prayer for our country and for our people.
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Troy
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NO one can put themselves in the shoes of the people that get to celebrate the day of someone of their own race. and ppl have to be sensitive when it comes to certain issues, that is just how society is. I would be offended if there was a team called the "Detroit Darkies", so i can understand the up-roar in the native community. Only reason it's not a huge media issue is b/c native americans dont make up a significant part of society.
And there are many ppl who deserve to be recognized but MLK made a huge step in the fight against racism. and the reason he is honored b/c he made a huge contribution to the plague that has affected this country for over 400 years and still continues to (racism). so how can u compare other's contributions to his own?
sure there are important ppl that have aided in society, but that doesnt mean everyone is goin to be honored. its not like we honor the person who created the wheel or the alarm clock, but still the same, they have made life better for us.
So, my question is, why would we need to honor more ppl? MLK devoted his life to a cause that was destroying America for african americans and i'm proud that he has a day b/c everyone should know his legacy, so they can help end racism - b/c its far from over.
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Ok, because no one seems to know any of the people I mentioned.... Russell Means - Though not technically one of the founding members, is a very prominent leader of AIM (American Indian Movement). He's led a number of non-violent demonstrations and even ran for the Republican ticket for president with Larry Flynt in 1984. He's been an activist for approx 30 years or so, writing books, acting, recording to try and get the word through the media. Leonard Peltier - Has been in prison since 1977 for the murder of two FBI agents that the US government has all but admitted they know he did not commit. During his trial, evidence was withheld from the defense and/or illegally gotten. Amnesty Internation and other organizations are vying for his pardon. He's an artist, author, teacher, and spiritual leader in prison. He's been denied some basic human rights (by my definition, research www.freepeltier.org to decide if they are by yours too) and has, more than once, been denied the right to practice his religion in prison. I'd go on, but I could for hours.  Vine Deloria, Jr - Author and former college professor dedicated to writing and teaching history and religion (though I think he was in fact Lutheran, he was still in favor of Native religions). Also earned his law degree from the University of Colorado (where he later taught, I believe). Stayed out of the "activism scene" as far as I know, and focused on writing, which in turn benefited Native American people with the return of artifacts and remains (due to at least one of his books).
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qphotonyc wrote:
fyi- actually, it's his birthday we're celebrating this week.
mlk was shot to death in april. Again, please read carefully. I'm not saying that we are celebrating that he was shot and/or on the day he was shot. But you cant tell me that in remembering the man, we aren't also remembering how he died, because 3/4 of all I hear about MLK is how great a man he was, oh, and he was assassinated.
Again, just in case anyone forgets, I'M NOT DENYING MLK WAS A GREAT MAN AND BENEFIT TO AMERICA.
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kickfight
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Aesa wrote:
Russell Means, Leonard Peltier, Vine Deloria, Jr -. So what did these nice people contribute to the overall well-being or edification of our country?
If Peltier is in fact innocent, he deserves to be free and he deserves to sue, but I see no contribution to society there at all.
While I can appreciate Deloria's scholarship and the application thereof, again... how did he expose an overriding injustice, or champion the plight of an oppressed people? NOTE: I'm not arguing... I'm asking.
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Glamour Boulevard
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Aesa wrote:
Again, please read carefully. I'm not saying that we are celebrating that he was shot and/or on the day he was shot. But you cant tell me that in remembering the man, we aren't also remembering how he died, because 3/4 of all I hear about MLK is how great a man he was, oh, and he was assassinated.
Again, just in case anyone forgets, I'M NOT DENYING MLK WAS A GREAT MAN AND BENEFIT TO AMERICA. So, the way you die should have part in the decision of if you get celebrated or not?
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Troy
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kickfight wrote:
So what did these nice people contribute to the overall well-being or edification of our country?
If Peltier is in fact innocent, he deserves to be free and he deserves to sue, but I see no contribution to society there at all.
While I can appreciate Deloria's scholarship and the application thereof, again... how did he expose an overriding injustice, or champion the plight of an oppressed people? NOTE: I'm not arguing... I'm asking. thank you - well put
aesa - what would u like to see done. i guess i'm missing ur point. u want a holiday for these people?
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The_N_Word
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New York, New York, US
Aesa wrote:
Again, please read carefully. I'm not saying that we are celebrating that he was shot and/or on the day he was shot. But you cant tell me that in remembering the man, we aren't also remembering how he died, because 3/4 of all I hear about MLK is how great a man he was, oh, and he was assassinated.
Again, just in case anyone forgets, I'M NOT DENYING MLK WAS A GREAT MAN AND BENEFIT TO AMERICA. Grasping for straws here Aesa.
You clearly thought Monday was the commemoration of the day Martin Luther King Jr was shot.
Stop telling people to read carefully. Be specific.
::continues to eat hero::
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-suede-
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And again, I'm going to try to answer calmly.
I think people are accidentally trying to put words in my mouth. I'm not saying that how you die affects how you are remembered. However, in MLKs case, they certainly have been intertwined. If he'd died peacfully in his sleep, I'm sure he would be just as remembered, but nobody would point out that he died peacefully. Because he was shot, people cant help but point that out every time they talk about him, admittedly, including myself. I apologize.
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