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You want me to apologize beause you misread my post? I addressed something Ty Simone wrote as well, but I initally quoted you. Have ytou really been complaining because this whole time because my entire post didn't address you directly? Jun 22 05 07:38 am Link I did not quote that! Just read all the post I've written myself? Or are you so convinced that I did that? I know you have an intense hatred of me but this is stupid. I know what I wrote. Jun 22 05 07:40 am Link LOL @ intense hatred. Jun 22 05 08:25 am Link Alexandra, Theda Quoted and responded to Your post about how a pedo's mind works. Theda Also responded to My post about the 1 in 3. I understood completely that she was addressing too different things, and she did quote both of them. I think in your zeal to prove this intense hatred on her part, you are making issues where none exist. Deep Breath. Deep Breath. Where is my apology? You told me the stats were absurd, and you made it seem like something I made up out of nowhere. When I posted the stats used by Innocent Angels to come up with the 1 in 3 they say is probably right, Did YOU apologize? Chill, Relax, And stick to the issues at hand! Jun 22 05 09:16 am Link Intense hatred? You flatter yourself. Ty Simone pretty much explained it, although I can see how you got confused. I never did like statistics. Something about learning on the first day of class that many statistics are fabricated, inflated, deflated and manipulated to prove a point kind of put a damper on those courses. I didn't say your (Ty's) stats were absurd nor did I mean to imply that you had fabricated them, but based on the numbers that you've posted, they still appear to be manipulated and inflated. I don't think it's possible to come up with a truly accurate percentage in this instance, but I also don't think it matters very much if 1 in 3 children or if 1 in 10 children are abused when you get down to brass tacks. Jun 22 05 09:31 am Link Theda! You are guilty of an Alexandra! She is the one that made the comment about the stats being absurd :-P There is no true way to guage how bad it is. They use a statistical model to interpolate, but unless you hook everyone in the world up to a memory reader..... Do I think IA's claim of 1 in 3 is correct? nope. Hence I said if you believe what the advocates..... However, I do think the 1 in 6 number is accurate. I have worked with IA on a few cases of internet porn. They have a much better liason to the FBI. I think they may have an alarmist attitude to the Abuse thing, but I think that is better than sweeping it under the carpet. No child should ever have to put up with it. Until the number of cases reported and unreported equal zero, it is a problem. But like most problems, I do not think the government handles it properly. Outlaw it, punish them, and release them... Has not worked yet. Treat the disease, not the symptoms. Jun 22 05 10:16 am Link Oh! The guilt! Jun 22 05 10:21 am Link Posted by theda: Repent or be sentenced to Moderator's hell for 1 week! Jun 22 05 10:24 am Link Posted by Ty Simone: Posted by Reese: That that means they are fine. Because you have to pay taxes as a minor with income. Oh really? My bad... I stand corrected... Jun 22 05 10:29 am Link Pay sites for teens are bad! Well.. then again... it's like, what exactly are they selling? Jun 22 05 10:30 am Link Okay, I'm gonna quit while I'm behind everyone else - because I don't read all of Alexandra's posts in between... Teen Sex sites are bad... Jun 22 05 10:31 am Link Posted by Reese: I agree. Jun 22 05 10:53 am Link Posted by Reese: Teen Sex sites are bad, unless it is an 18 or 19 year old Teen sex site. :-) Jun 22 05 11:18 am Link Interesting thread. I think this thread is a little like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic as it's sinks ! Pedophiles are NOT the problem. Parents are NOT the problem. The lack of laws is NOT the problem. Not all teens are victims !! Many are monsters and CHOOSE to be that way ! Teen sites only reflect what society condones, by action or inaction. This is a great thread and I'm glad Doug started it off, and like most threads on any topic here on Modelmayhem, we get bogged down in the trivial and personal attacks rather than truly ACCOMPLISH anything other than exercise our fingers and spell checkers. Teenie sites may or may not be legal, and who is to blame is pointless. The more important question we might ask ourselves is, are they just a reflection of our social "norm" and do we want to change it? I don't live in a Politically Correct world so things are "right" and "wrong", "good" and "bad" and "trying your hardest" accomplishes nothing in the real world for getting the job done. If you don't condone Teenie sites, then you also need to shut down MTV for showing impressionable teens how to be "bitches" and "hos" and "pimps" and that they way to "fit in" or be "popular" is the dress a certain way, act a certain way and buy the right brand-name clothes. If you think Pedophilia is wrong, why would you condone homosexuality? Aren't they both a sexual preference or choice? Why it is okay for a 14 year-old Russian model to walk the runway in a see-thru top or dress and even shoot pictures of her, but not shoot her at a beach in a swimsuit without being demonized as a sexual predator or dirty old man? (we love our labels don't we ?) You don't think "children" don't see these things and either use them to their advantage or be confused by them? As a society, we are confused and sending out mixed signals all over the place. Teenie sites just reflect our own double-standards we've imposed on ourselves (and others). Only "WE" can fix it, but first we have to admit we're all "part of the problem" to one extent or another. And it's NOT going to get better, until we actually DO something to change the core problem. But this is only how "I" see it. Just my two-cents worth. Jun 22 05 11:27 am Link Great Post Michael. Jun 22 05 11:44 am Link I received an email for Jaime, and it had a link to Cutegirls, so I went to it. I almost threw up and I did cry. There are little girls on this site as young as 10 doing some pretty explicit posing, Im horrified, especially since my Jaimes photo seems to be gracing the front of the site.(just a head shot) I am so upset over this I feel like stopping this modeling thing altogether. DO we have to put on model releases about not using her photos on pay teen sites now? I reported the site, but IM sure they are just within the legal limits of Child Porn. Photos of a 11 year old girl with her legs spread wide with a perfect round wet spot and thats just the one I felt I could mention, and IM sure its perfectly legal. Her Parents should be arrested. Jaime Kays mom. Jun 22 05 02:46 pm Link Posted by Jaime Kay: I think websites that pool images of children, with the intent to attract sexual responses are illegal. Also sometimes in a model release there are stipulations that the images can not be used to promote sensative subjects (medical, sexual in nature, etc). I think what you decribed is not legal, because the site clearly seems to be intent on causing arousal, and as such it also makes those girls targets for predators. If you are able, you could do a ineternic lookup on the domain name, find out who the hosting provider is and report it to the hosting provider, alot of times the hosting providers have a stipulation if the site is not within the comunnity acceptible norm it can be taken down, without any legal reasons to do so. Even hosting providers who host porn sites are very touchy about the subject and will terminate an accounton a whim, and they have every legal rights to do so. Jun 22 05 03:11 pm Link Posted by Jaime Kay: This what I would do. Jun 22 05 05:17 pm Link Posted by Alexandra Paris: Posted by Jaime Kay: This what I would do. Ok, I think you have good intentions here, But, I think you also miss the reality of the situation. Jun 23 05 07:20 am Link Posted by Doug Swinskey: Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: a bit different when fashion caters to the fashion industry in mainstream magazines and publications..quite a bit different when the paysites are catering to pedophiles..its not 14,15 and 16 year old boys pulling out thier credit cards to look at youngs girl... I understand that not everyone looks at fashion images for the clothes. I could go into detail, but I'm in hot enough water already around here. Jun 23 05 07:27 am Link Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: Posted by Doug Swinskey: Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: a bit different when fashion caters to the fashion industry in mainstream magazines and publications..quite a bit different when the paysites are catering to pedophiles..its not 14,15 and 16 year old boys pulling out thier credit cards to look at youngs girl... I understand that not everyone looks at fashion images for the clothes. I could go into detail, but I'm in hot enough water already around here. Relax Melvin, I go a whole truck load of ice cubes just for you! Fire away! Jun 23 05 07:28 am Link I just had a had a great discussion with Jaime's mom. She pointed me to the sites. I found 4 that actually cross the line and can be pursued, although 2 are hosted overseas. I understand now why some people are up in arms. The one in particular is an 11 year old posing mostly in panties, furthermore there are several poses in thongs where it is emphasizing her butt. There is also one where although she is in panties, they are pulled up so tight you can actually see the lips of her vagina. Sites like that are over the lines. I do not think they should be allowed, and the decency laws in most places do cover them. I have forwarded all 4 to the innocent images project to see what they can do. There is no way I would ever support or condone a site like that one. Jun 23 05 09:55 am Link Posted by Ty Simone: How are sites that are hosted overseas persued? I imagine if the owner is a US resident ( or residing country with similar laws ) , they can be presued regardless, but what happens when both are overseas, do local juristrictions need to be contacted, and if so how many countries don't have laws against things of this nature. Seems like when its outside of the US things get very difficult. Jun 23 05 02:07 pm Link Posted by Karl Blessing: In General, the FBI has liasons to most friendly governments to help stop child porn rings. In the Case of Germany, I believe Interpol would be their contact. Jun 23 05 02:14 pm Link Funny you mentioned Germany, I lived there for three years, they're mainly a catholic state ( or so the goverment behaves so ), so alot of things that are against "christian values", are usually baned, like that movie Phenomenon, staring John Travolta ( I think ), was baned because scientology is viewed as a cult. Now while porn and alcohol can be sold to minors ( theres no age limit on who they can sell it to ), it is often looked down, and I would have thought that something like child pornography would be something strictly sought after by the goverment there. I remeber a while back try like 6 years or so ago, that japan finally passed laws against child pornography, was a great victory for advocates, since I think at the time, alot of the websites were hosted on japanese servers because there were no laws against it in the local juristiction (A little researched showed that facination with child pornography is nothing new to that culture, just look at their hentai, manga, and so forth. ) The problem areas in my eyes in terms of hosting rings I would have thought would have been countries like Russia, China, France, Mexico, Shatterbelt(romania, chezk republic, etc), most of what you mentioned, just didnt picture Germany as part of that. Jun 23 05 02:31 pm Link |
