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What are Goth and Alternative models?
Double quote hell here... Feb 14 06 08:24 am Link GOTHICHANGMAN STUDIOS wrote: AllenA wrote: Not all Goths aspire towards death in some hellbent nihilistic fashion,some of us embrace the greater mysteries of life and death. My thoughts are we choose to acknowlege the brutality and ugliness that so often accompany human nature. Zeo wrote: OK... for the love of the goddess... do you two want a fucking goth smiley-face after my little comment there? Feb 14 06 08:46 am Link AllenA wrote: GOTHICHANGMAN STUDIOS wrote: AllenA wrote: Not all Goths aspire towards death in some hellbent nihilistic fashion,some of us embrace the greater mysteries of life and death. My thoughts are we choose to acknowlege the brutality and ugliness that so often accompany human nature. OK... for the love of the goddess... do you two want a fucking goth smiley-face after my little comment there? You evil Gothknocker you!! Feb 14 06 08:54 am Link Sirensong wrote: mmmhuuuahhhahhahhahha! Feb 14 06 08:56 am Link LOL man you're dressed for it in that pic. I was an 'industrial' model when I was in school for music first and then photography. Would have been nice if people would have given me the prints they promised. I listen to the music and go to the clubs and have known Kraftwerk and Depeche Mode kind of stuff since 13 so I guess that makes me 'lifestyle industrial' and it also helps to make electronic music and know how to use power tools. But seriously, go to wickedtalent.com and see what it's all about. And don't go to hot topic! Feb 14 06 08:56 am Link Forgot to address one of your questions... is there a market for it... whay are half the girls tied up here??? Yes it is marketable but a small portion of the market. That's why when I see another photographer in a club they are wearing dirty denim jeans and scared shit. One does not understand what one does not know. Feb 14 06 09:00 am Link LouisGuidone wrote: *insert evil B-movie horror vampire type hissing here* Feb 14 06 09:01 am Link Forgot to address one of your questions... is there a market for it... why are half the girls in vinyl or tied up here??? Yes it is marketable but a small portion of the market. I hate scouting in the city because some of the most amazing girls think it's a pick-up line. When I see another photographer in a club they are wearing dirty denim jeans and scared shit. One does not understand what one does not know. Feb 14 06 09:02 am Link BTW if someone is dressed like Neo... that's cosplay really. I've seen a guy in The Batcave like that. Rope is bondage. Leather, latex, rubber are fetish... whips are dom, gags are sub... fangs are for vampires... glow sticks are for ravers, corsets are medieval but can be goth or fetish. Underworld was goth, Van Helsing was not. Underground people don't really like being genrefied. With fashion as in music, there are many many subgenres it would make your brain explode. Feb 14 06 09:10 am Link I have just gotten interested in this lately and am planning a shoot with 3 cute goth girls here. Wanting to do a series of them called Gothic Beauties or something along that line. It will be interesting, totally different for me! Feb 14 06 09:18 am Link AllenA wrote: Thanks man Feb 14 06 10:44 am Link Nihilus wrote: My style is in development Feb 14 06 12:28 pm Link AllenA wrote: You seem to have a "GOTH GRUDGE" I'd stick my eyeliner pencil where those upsidedown stars never shine and pour dead sea water down your gizzard! Who said goths have a sense of humor...LoL! Feb 14 06 03:21 pm Link AllenA wrote: I was scared. Feb 14 06 04:11 pm Link Alternative is a little more all-inclusive, although still counterculture; most goths would probably not object to also being called alternative, but certainly not everyone who considers themselves alternative would be a goth. Most, under either name, would hold values which differ from those of mainstream society. Thus, while it can be only a look, for many it's a way of thinking, a way of life. I'm not real crazy about the stereotyping, although a lot of these folks do it to themselves. But if you'd like a good laugh, check out Voltaire's tongue-in-cheek book "what is goth?" He has lots of fun doing parodies of his own cultural background. I do find it a bit amusing to discuss contemporary goth, as someone who photographed Bauhaus and Nick Cave and Siouxsie in 1981. But even I'm a youngster, relatively speaking; Richard Davenport-Hine's makes a solid case that the dark gothic genre has been around for at least 400 years, and is represented in things as diverse as architecture, literature (I'm reading Richard Beckford's "Vathek," written in 1816, right now), film, art, and much more. Feb 14 06 04:27 pm Link Alt modeling is a grey area. (I think) I've been told I'm an alt model, and I've been told I'm not. I think it's starting to blur a little bit, that whole alt is becoming mainstream thing. But Alt/fetish/and Goth are definately not the same. Feb 14 06 04:30 pm Link To be perfectly honest....I would prefer to photography "alternative" models any day! Glamour girl, bikini shots are a dime a dozen....I want creativity! Unfortunately, there's not a lot of alternative models here in the midwest. Maybe I should move to Chicago!  Feb 14 06 04:33 pm Link i have a tattoo but i look like a baby celebrity hmm what am i Feb 14 06 04:37 pm Link my pictures are goth/alt/fetish. Feb 14 06 04:41 pm Link Cher Grepo wrote: I can see that. jeskavardinski wrote: I don't see anything alternative here. Beautiful girl with great shots though. Feb 14 06 04:47 pm Link Have any of you photogs shot male Alternative models? Is there even a market for such thing? Feb 14 06 04:49 pm Link Jay Dezelic wrote: Carve out your niche and work it. Your look is rare, and would be a great style to be furthered (I've actually eyed a few of the items on your site). Feb 14 06 04:56 pm Link ...Stacy wrote: Consider yourself also, now, told that you're stunning. Not sure where that fits in with this discussion, but... Feb 14 06 04:57 pm Link Jay Dezelic wrote: There is DEFINATELY a market for it. Feb 14 06 05:04 pm Link Ken Mierzwa wrote: Damn! someone said it before I could Feb 14 06 11:01 pm Link Jay Dezelic wrote: I think the best example of an alternative male model is Perish: MM #1262. Feb 15 06 12:15 am Link Scott Aitken wrote: Psst... Nihilus wrote:
Feb 15 06 01:09 am Link Sirensong wrote: A scream with you looking off-camera is 'B-movie'... face to camera is Mr. Culken. Feb 15 06 10:13 pm Link I am an example of a gothic model. I mostly wear black and am attracted to all things dark. I'm also a metalhead. I guess Im a metal/goth Feb 15 06 11:35 pm Link What parts of the world is Goth culture most common? It seems that it is really everywhere. But, is it more predominant in places like Eastern Europe or the UK for instance? Feb 16 06 01:13 am Link Jay Dezelic wrote: I have run into a decent amount of UK based goth/alt models...a bit more heavily than other locations, in my experience. Feb 16 06 03:53 am Link honestly, I think a person should shoot in a style they like, Look a way they can live with happily for a long term (since people don't really like it when you change your look), and not worry so much about the catagory of modeling that they fit in. (or if they fit into a category at all...) Feb 16 06 05:00 pm Link Jay Dezelic wrote: Can't say about the rest of the world, but there's certainly no shortage in San Francisco or LA or Chicago or Detroit or Portland. There's got to be some action in Seattle as well, although it's been a couple of years since I've been there. A good way to find city-specific things is to look for groups on tribe.net or livejournal, a lot of events get posted there. Often there are even things going on in smaller places; here in Humboldt (pop. 128,000) the local goth scene centers mostly around BatKave in Arcata, a small alt-gallery. Feb 16 06 08:51 pm Link |
Maybe I should be in the legs department then LOL
He now also has one out for goth home decorating called Paint it Black. It was a bit of a shock to find my bed room's style & color scheme listed there (burgandy, black & purple). Guess I can only be so much of a stealth goth chick. yes, there is such a thing. We work in jobs that pay well but aren't very tolerant of self expression. Though piercings, tatoos & drawn on eyebrows aren't my thing anyway. I'll take victorian, corsets, renaissance & even goth lolita looks over wild extremes any day. Then again I'm a non conformist who's prefrences just happen to make goth fit the best :p