Winnie L wrote:
Can I marry one at every state?

Harold is my first love, but he must be not eat ice cream with any other model

nehnehnehneh.

I only eat ice cream with you, Winnie. Now get over here.

H B P wrote:

I only eat ice cream with you, Winnie. Now get over here.

Yayy!

Chuckarelei wrote:
Winnie, your intention is good. But I hope models here don't think all your pointers here are automatic entitlement. That's simply not the case.

That's for them to discern. I lost friends because I model and they think I'm obsessed because I'm too short, too fat, too ugly. If they don't get the same appreciation for the people who helped me along, too bad, their loss, if they do, good. That's what this post is for.

Sadly to say I haven't seen many models respond. I think this is what you meant. Drama entices more discussion.

KimberLeigh G wrote:
Winnie, I want to add my "Thank you" to the list. Thank you for posting this forum. Sometimes as models we don't let the photographers know how much we appreciate them and what they do for us. For most of us, we wouldn't even be modeling if not for the photographers! Without them, some of us, are nothing! So I'd like to add my thanks to both Winnie and to all the photographers out there!! Keep it up, even if we don't always say it, we appreciate everything you do!!

Thank you. I really, really appreciate that. The forums are full of negativity today. It sucks ass.

Winnie L wrote:

Thank you. I really, really appreciate that. The forums are full of negativity today. It sucks ass.

Absolutely! When you say, do, and think good things, it puts you in a better mood. Puts your mind in a positive place. We should have more forums like this!! Instead of "another model flaked" I'd rather read about "had an incredible shoot". I think they should make a "Shout out" forum, where people can go to appreciate and acknowledge all the hard working people (models, photogs, MUA's, etc). Not only would it be a testimonial for that person, but it makes others feel good!

GlamourGirls wrote:
Best way to thank your neighborhood photographer is to pay him.

Oh yes I did pay my photographers, just to let you know. And say thank you as well.

ClickMore wrote:
Thank you Winnie...
There are lots of appreciative models who would agree with you. There are a few who would not understand.
Many models I have worked with spend a fortune on new clothes just for a new shoot. If they make the effort then so will I...

haha no wonder I'm always poor

Phen Mas  wrote:
Winnie I ♥ you

btw #6 made me happy and sad at the same time. I was one of those ones who paid for photo school and with tuition/school fees alone I could have a porsche of my choice haha.
- Phen

Serious? Porsche? Dayummm

But your work is awesome so I hope you get some paying gigs to be able to get you that car you deserve.

Ron Tencati wrote:
Thank you for posting this.  I feel validated now!

You don't need me to post this to make you feel validated. Be proud of what you have done already.

And yes, thank you to all photographers who treat models with respect and listen to our ideas and allow us to be part of the collaboration process and not treating us like mannequins. Some great models here have mentioned that already.

FTW, I am currently making plans to write this into an article for this fashion magazine I am writing reviews for. I figure it would be a great idea.

I am looking foward to hearing from more models too!

Winnie L wrote:
There has been a really great thread going on about showing appreciation for models and what they go through, so I want to take this chance to do the same for photographers.

1)Thank you for taking the time to take up photography classes, start off as being lighting assistants and lugging other people's equipment to learn about lighting, directing and composition. Those who are self taught, more kudos to you to you for taking the extra effort and time to study online manuals, asking questions and getting new models to test with you.

2)Thank you for taking the time to learn this stupid and ridiculously difficult programme called Photoshop to help models look better, be it burn dodge heal, liquify, lighting, cloning and definitely helping us look better when we have an unexpected pimple or rash. Not to mention the amount of time you spend editing after each shoot. For models, we go home after a shoot and we can rest and wait for images, for you guys, the shoot is only half done.

3)Thank you for taking the patience to coach us and making little jokes to help us relax when we are nervous on set, and taking the effort to make models feel as comfortable and confident as they can.

4)Thank you for having to deal with flakes, escort problems, whine and still move on and not give up totally on models, and photography.

5)Thank you for climbing stairs and ladders and trees and squeezing into funny positions to capture the best angles of us ever, perspiring and tiring yourself out after the shoot and going home to a grumpy wife/girlfriend/boyfriend.

6)Thank you for spending about half of your hard earned cash you earn at your day job to puchase camera and lighting equipment, and using more of your money you could have bought yourself a new car or Rolex to maintain your equipment every now and then to be able to carry on with your profession, which in turns allow us to maintain our profession.

7)Thank you to the newer photographers for having the courage to approach models for TFP and having your ego slammed when they do not respond to you.

8)Thank you for not looking down on us. (Most of us anyway).

9)Thank you for taking the time to research on concepts, recce locations where you could be having your day off going fishing or spending time with your SO or getting hammered with your buddies.

10)Thank you for spending the extra money to engage and negotiate rates with stylists, muas and agency bookers so we can all have nice images to print for our book.

11)Thank you for taking the extra time aside from photography to spend time in the forums to give newbies advice.

12) For photographers who shoot film, thank you for spending the extra money to develop them when you can shoot digital and get a cheaper result, especially when film is so fucking ridiculously expensive.

13) Thank you for for having to be the bad guy and reject us because our look don't fit your project, your concept, but deep inside your heart you can't find the heart to tell us that outrightly because we are so earnest when we respond to your casting or when we message you. You try to act like a jerk, but you feel uneasy about it. It's okay. we understand

I'll add on if I think of more. Other models, if you can think of anything you wish to add on, clarify and comment, please do so.

KarFeeTangPhotography wrote:
Great topic! You do see the life of a 'good' photographer. Currently, I am in Singapore. Let me buy you some drinks to thank you for clarification of our world of art.

you are? welcome to Singapore!

hermans wrote:
Just curious.

So how many offers of marriage did you get from this?

hahahaha.

Run of the Mill wrote:
You're welcome for #4. I say that because just tonight, less than 12 hours before the shoot, the model sprung on me, "Oh, by the way, I'm bringing an escort. If not, no shoot."

So now I have the whole day free tomorrow. No shoot.

I appreciate that YOU appreciate the frustration

) when they do that, I like to have them show up...then tell them to go home.
its more fun that way

All Yours Photography wrote:
Winnie:

It's no wonder that you had photogs across the country offering you a place to stay or whatever else you  needed to do a US tour.

People like you are always great to have around.