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Photographers, what if your model flakes?
I am curious, I won't name out any names of people, but I'd be curious to know from the experts.. Say you book a model, a female model to do a shoot for you. Maybe you had a couples shoot you were going to do. The one model arrives on time ready to go. The female does not. There are no phone calls to let you know, no texts... so the shoot gets cancelled.. Then the next day you follow up with the model to find out what happened... Funny thing is, we were set to do a shoot and the model didn't show. I ended up posting something on here to let others know that this person is possibly flaky... then they turn around and email me and say that I'm rude for "outing" them. Was I wrong for doing this? Mar 01 12 05:08 pm Link The best advice I got from here was to PREDICT flakes. Flakes give off clues that they will flake well in advance of the shoot. There's a chart somewhere in these forums. Flakes Escort Canon vs Nikon Mac vs PC Why don't they shoot nude for me? GWC this and that. We need a separate forum for these posts. Mar 01 12 05:09 pm Link jasonbaca wrote: Life goes on. This planet called Earth is full of abundance of models - the same may not be true for photographer (you know, real, serious photographer) Mar 01 12 05:11 pm Link No you weren't wrong. A person is only as good as their word and right now her's isn't too good. She should put up or shut up.  I just find something else to do and don't consider anything they say worth my time anymore. Mar 01 12 05:13 pm Link jasonbaca wrote: Yes. Mar 01 12 05:15 pm Link I know life goes on and I agree. I just would like to have been able to share this with others but they took the thread down. Hey I call people out when they make me go out of my way and separate my time for them and then they flat out don't call or anything. This person tried to turn around and say that they tried to text both of us to tell us she was in a major car crash and that it was wrong of me to do that post. All I said in the post was that this model would be a flake and didn't even call to tell us she wasn't going to show. Mar 01 12 05:16 pm Link Flaky models have a tendency to have dead grandparents, horrible car accidents, car troubles, last minute dire emergencies, problematic cellphones and so on. Just let it go and move on to the next project. Mar 01 12 05:18 pm Link jasonbaca wrote: I would have give her the benifit of the doubt. Then I woud have asked her to show me the police report Mar 01 12 05:20 pm Link ThatLook Visual Media wrote: +1,000,000,000,000,000 Mar 01 12 05:25 pm Link jasonbaca wrote: This so-called modeling world has a strange tendency that if you "report" the wrong person for being wrong a.k.a. outing, it will 99.9% backfire on you. Mar 01 12 05:26 pm Link jasonbaca wrote: Yes. Mar 01 12 05:30 pm Link Models flake but life goes on. We could build a list of models known to flake on some other location besides MM since its against the rules to out someone but I think a much more useful list would be to have a list of models on MM that were proven to be 100% No Flake. Those models would get the work, us photographers would be happy, and hopefully the flakes would abandon MM. Mar 01 12 05:33 pm Link Dude - Flakes happen. This thread won't help with the shoot that got cancelled. It also won't help you the next time it happens. Just walk away. It just isn't worth it... Mar 01 12 05:36 pm Link 
Photographer Posts: 10714 Syowa - permanent station of Japan, Sector claimed by Norway, Antarctica I chase them down and give them a bottle of head and shoulders. It'll help them from flaking in the future. Seriously, I just move on and make note not to work with them in the future. Mar 01 12 05:36 pm Link The standard procedure for dealing with a flake is to immediately log into the MM forums and post an anti-flake rant thread in Model Colloquy. ... or, you could just relax and treat yourself to a nice dinner using some of the money the model would have gotten. Mar 01 12 05:38 pm Link jasonbaca wrote: I can't say if calling her out is right or wrong, although MM doesn't allow outing - so maybe you're wrong in that sense - but hopefully she'll think twice if she has any inkling to possibly flaking in the future. Mar 01 12 06:02 pm Link Gryph B wrote: I stopped reading at this point because it made me chuckle! Mar 01 12 06:03 pm Link
Photographer Posts: 10714 Syowa - permanent station of Japan, Sector claimed by Norway, Antarctica PhotographybyT wrote: oh gawd, didn't see that one a comin Mar 01 12 06:04 pm Link Gryph B wrote: Refrains from making another sick comment! Mar 01 12 06:06 pm Link
Photographer Posts: 10714 Syowa - permanent station of Japan, Sector claimed by Norway, Antarctica PhotographybyT wrote:
Mar 01 12 06:07 pm Link I don't mind sharing flake's and my experience with them with the next photographer on the models list . . . it usually helps the photographer move on to a more reliable person to work with . . . who needs that hassle. I'm not going to enable a flake . . . by saying nothing. I've had a good many wonderful people on this site I've collaborated with, I praise them . . . and a few 'hobbles' that left complete shat stank in my mouth. I share the good and the bad equally for those who ask. Mar 01 12 06:12 pm Link I had a model flake on me once. Bet you do not know who she is. So sad, she could have been someone. Mar 01 12 06:12 pm Link outing is against the rules of this site, so in that respect, yes, you were wrong for doing that. If a model flakes, move on... just let it go. her actions will catch up to her. Mar 01 12 06:16 pm Link MDS-Photos wrote: Hahaha. Mar 01 12 06:17 pm Link Flaking or canceling at the last moment is rude, selfish and happens far to often, but I don't think finger pointing helps. My philosophy is that working with unknown internet models has that risk. I don't invest anything in shoots I'm not willing to walk away from and I make alternative plans for my time. I mostly certainly don't put myself in situations where I count having images from a shoot in short order. If a shoot falls through and I end up drinking a few beers and watching t.v. or doing editing work on previous shoots, then so be it. Mar 01 12 06:19 pm Link jasonbaca wrote: Dude, you are 38 year old man. Stop acting like a 12 year old drama queen. Mar 01 12 06:31 pm Link I have never shot myself in the head because a model flaked. Not even once. :-) Mar 01 12 06:34 pm Link I cry. It's really devastating. I'll have planned a whole day around a model coming over, getting naked and standing or sitting in decorative and expressive ways - if it doesn't happen it's like a black cloud has descended. I also eat some chocolate. and re-plan (I don't send them hate-mail or start nasty rumors about them) Mar 01 12 06:51 pm Link If a model flakes I sit on the couch while eating a gallon of ice cream and watching Jerry Springer. Mar 01 12 06:53 pm Link marknmanna wrote: How many times have you missed? Mar 01 12 06:54 pm Link Photographers, what if your model flakes? A. You move on. Yes. you broke the rules outing them. it isn't your job to save people from other (people). Assuming the model did flake (blew it off) - she won't lastlong. word will get around. Mar 01 12 06:56 pm Link JAE Photography PA wrote: +1 Mar 01 12 07:01 pm Link Abbitt Photography wrote: Yep, there is a bar a block from my studio and they charge six bucks for a pint (imperial) of Guinness. Cures all ills. Mar 01 12 07:01 pm Link Mar 01 12 07:05 pm Link Photographers, what if your model flakes? Last time we got my assistants mother to 'stand' in. Mar 01 12 07:06 pm Link One way I have found to reduce the number of models that flake out....is to call them the night before to confirm. At that point you can usually tell if they are a flakezoid or not. Mar 01 12 07:07 pm Link make a "do not recommend" on your profile page. if people wanna know why they will Inbox you Mar 01 12 07:10 pm Link
Photographer Posts: 10714 Syowa - permanent station of Japan, Sector claimed by Norway, Antarctica CTI wrote: now now, do it right. Mar 01 12 07:11 pm Link I was supposed to have a shoot tomorrow morning. I knew two weeks ago she was going to flake. So far, in the past week, two e-mails and one Facebook message. Nothing. Will she show up in the morning? Yeah, riiiight! The key is, pay attention to the signs. As for my flake, I already saw it coming so I will simply stay in bed late. Her loss. It happens, get used to it. -Koa- www.borikenwarrior.com P.S. I'm expecting another model no-show next week as well. More sleep time. Mar 01 12 07:12 pm Link Don't ever work with her again!! Just curious why you couldn't salvage the shoot, sounds like everyone else showed up so a quick adjustment on your theme and you could have walked away with great results; appears the male model showed up.  Mar 01 12 07:13 pm Link |
