Extreme Body Art wrote:

Wow.. in other words, you would do nudes if your boobs were 'even'?

interesting.
If the answer is yes, I would consider looking into the genre (only if it interests you of course)

If the answer is no, then that is an excuse and not a reason.

pretty much, they do not look good, not photogenic at all. and i've been told this by photographers as well that they are difficult to shoot. i just look better with clothes on lol

Camigirl wrote:

Smart man   I totally agree with all that you said...not sure it will let you leave the box unchecked once you check yes or no...I tried it and didn't work but they should have a more neutral box to check for this one...something like "implied onlys or topless only or maybe;)" ...something along those lines.

Back in the day (don't remember how far back)... MM used to only publish the "Nudes: Yes" and if you said "no" it didn't say anything at all...

I think it should go back to the way it was... models then if they really didn't want to do nudes or 'no longer' wanted to do nudes.. they can state so in their portfolio... as
that side publication means nothing to me at all.

If it says "Nudes: Yes", and there are no nudes in their portfolio... they get skipped... If it says "Nudes" No", and there are nudes in their portfolio (and it doesn't really say anything one way or the other in their actual profile)... I might take a chance..

Caustic Disco wrote:
pretty much, they do not look good, not photogenic at all. and i've been told this by photographers as well that they are difficult to shoot. i just look better with clothes on lol

I believe you.. some models just look better clothed.

Though I would never say that to a model... I would just suggest clothed projects if I felt I didn't like their nude look.

Patrick Walberg wrote:
If you are a model who doesn't do nudes, is this non negotiable or ... do you have a price?   The details of this question would be if a photographer of the quality that you admire were to offer you any amount of money (within reason), is there a dollar amount that would get you to change your mind? 

The reason for this question is that another photographer and I were discussing if models were absolutely "non-negotiable" on nudity or if there are some that could be persuaded with the right amount of money?

Some say "Will go nude ONLY for Playboy" for example.  If you are absolutely "non-negotiable" could you please elaborate on why?  I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, I'm curious to learn more about just how negotiable some models are. Discuss!

is there a dollar amount that would get you to change your mind? 

No.
I can truly respect and admire nude images which are beautiful and there are so many talents here to prove it... but for me... I am not comfortable doing this.

hereticchick wrote:
I really appreciate knowing that I'm clear in my profile. I make an active effort to be as thoroughly comprehensible as possible. Thank you.

Perhaps a box should be available "No longer doing nudes"?

Otherwise it's just playing hard to get as a negotiating tactic?

No is fine, since few models continue nudes into their senior years. Which is a shame.

Ava Catherine wrote:
A million dollars in cash! : D

How did that joke go? : D

BTHPhoto wrote:
Everyone has a price.  Most just won't admit it until it's presented as a serious offer.

Yes, but is there anyone willing to pay that price? 

Lizzy Borden wrote:
currently it is a personal choice and has nothing to do about money.
i am NOT comfortable being naked, especially if there is a camera present to preserve the sight that i may not want certain people to see.

Is this a confidence issue? Model and/or photographer?

It would appear to take a leap of faith to transition from clothed to nude, plus learning new poses.

I've worked with former male strippers, who were very confident and outgoing with customers. No fear. Charismatic. Were they like before taking their clothes off with customers, or after?

Is there a personality trait required for nude modeling, that no amount of persuasion can overcome a lack of?

I'm fairly certain I would turn down any offer to pose nude, at any age. Or not.

Harley Spencer wrote:
Everyone has a price. You just have to find that price.

Do you really think a llama would refuse a nude shoot for 1 billion dollars? Highly unlikely. It's a high price, but it's a price.

There is a price for everyone, for everything.

I used to think that, but I really think there are some llamas out there that would't do it for all the money in the world... as the reason for not shooting nude is a religious reason.

but for the most part.. Everyone has a price, but there are so many willing to do it for WAY less then "oober expensive"..

If anyone has seen the show "Money Talks" it tries to talk girls into doing all sorts of things for money and some of the dollar amounts that they pay on that show is crazy... $200 for a titty flash... $1000 for sex... and sometimes it goes low too.. like $50 to get tazed in the penis... .. some crazy shit in that show..

Just saying... why pay $200 for a quick titty flash when you can go on a site like this one and get full nudity for half that rate and for much longer then a few seconds.... and Sex... hire an escort and get sex for $300 and save yourself $600.

Harley Spencer wrote:
Everyone has a price. You just have to find that price.

Do you really think a model would refuse a nude shoot for 1 billion dollars? Highly unlikely. It's a high price, but it's a price.

There is a price for everyone, for everything.

If they think it's morally wrong, then yes, they could say "no."

If I think something is highly morally wrong, it would not matter the price. I think it's silly that some hold this sort of thing to nearly the level of murder, but they do.

Camigirl wrote:
Not sure if that answers your question, but for me, while getting paid is a bonus, NO amount of money would pursuade me to do what I consider blatantly "raunchy" nudes with a photographer who is probably a GWC and has poor quality images in his port.   

Cami

Turbo Studio wrote:

No amount? Not even 3 billion per hour?

Don't be ridiculous!  Who would ever put up that kind of money in the first place?  Let's not talk about fantasy here, but reality.

K I C K H A M wrote:
If they think it's morally wrong, then yes, they could say "no."

If I think something is highly morally wrong, it would not matter the price. I think it's silly that some hold this sort of thing to nearly the level of murder, but they do.

I understand.  There is no amount of money that would get me to murder someone because I am so morally against it.  In self defense or to save another person's life perhaps, but not out right murder ... even if with a guarantee that I would not be prosecuted, I still could not take a human life for any amount.

Just a reminder that this topic is for male as well as female models.  When it comes to posing nude, I would do it if someone wanted to pay me.   It's not a big deal in my family as I said that my younger brother and my niece have done it for art nudes.  I don't have a jealous girlfriend, I work for myself, and I don't see a damn thing morally wrong about nudity.  I'd do it in a heartbeat!  However it's a shame I don't think I look good enough nude that anyone would pay me.  Maybe I should pay someone to photograph me before I get any older?

Patrick Walberg wrote:

I understand.  There is no amount of money that would get me to murder someone because I am so morally against it.  In self defense or to save another person's life perhaps, but not out right murder ... even if with a guarantee that I would not be prosecuted, I still could not take a human life for any amount.

Just a reminder that this topic is for male as well as female models.  When it comes to posing nude, I would do it if someone wanted to pay me.   It's not a big deal in my family as I said that my younger brother and my niece have done it for art nudes.  I don't have a jealous girlfriend, I work for myself, and I don't see a damn thing morally wrong about nudity.  I'd do it in a heartbeat!  However it's a shame I don't think I look good enough nude that anyone would pay me.  Maybe I should pay someone to photograph me before I get any older?

love this!

Although I don't think I'm happy enough with my body to pose nude.

TheLittleG Photography wrote:
but i have always been taught that NO means NO

You'll never get what you want if you live by that rule. It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.

Most models' decision to shoot nudes depends on a number of things, including compensation, the personality of the photographer, and in a lot of cases their level of attraction to the photographer.

Turbo Studio wrote:

No amount? Not even 3 billion per hour?

Plus travel expenses out of state ....

Samantha Scarlette wrote:
If I were doing a Vogue type ad campaign that required Nudity, or Playboy

Not sure you can lump Vogue and Playboy in the same basket!



Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com

Patrick Walberg wrote:
...There is no amount of money that would get me to murder someone because I am so morally against it.  In self defense or to save another person's life perhaps, but not out right murder ... even if with a guarantee that I would not be prosecuted, I still could not take a human life for any amount...

I don't think that offering you money to murder someone would be the right question for you.  In your case I'd ask what you would have to be offered to never post in Mayhem or any other on line forum ever again.  Different dilemmas for different folks.

Harley Spencer wrote:
Everyone has a price. You just have to find that price.

Do you really think a model would refuse a nude shoot for 1 billion dollars? Highly unlikely. It's a high price, but it's a price.

There is a price for everyone, for everything.

K I C K H A M wrote:
If they think it's morally wrong, then yes, they could say "no."

If I think something is highly morally wrong, it would not matter the price. I think it's silly that some hold this sort of thing to nearly the level of murder, but they do.

Realizing that we're well into the range of hypothetical that is silly, but if you're talking a billion dollars, it might overcome a lot of moral objections.  One could donate 99% to a variety of charities and live comfortably on the rest for the rest of their life.

Kate Louise White wrote:
I can only speak for myself, but I have nudes marked as no on my profile mainly to avoid being contacted by the wrong people. I am very new to the industry and am doing a lot of research as to what sorts of nudes work for me and the kind I would consider too raunchy. If I find some images that are done beautifully I get in contact with the photographer myself.

I guess I am just being selective. If a photographer were to contact me I would look at their portfolio before making any decision.

At the end of the day I would hate to have nude photos I am unhappy with around for all to see, and a one off payment being all I have to show for it.

Quality is far more important.

Make your own choices of course, and it sounds like you're being very thoughtful, but putting "no" is more likely to discourage the right people than the wrong ones.

Samantha Scarlette wrote:
If I were doing a Vogue type ad campaign that required Nudity, or Playboy or something that comes with a certain "prestige", then I would consider it.  I guess to me it's all about the stigma, and not wanting to do anything my family might look down upon or that I may regret.  Once the photos are taken and posted somewhere they're out there forever..  It's all about context, and regardless of what anyone wants to say, people have different perceptions of someone who's nude in Vogue or some other fashion magazine, than someone who had an online portfolio with nude photos taken by a random photographer.
Even as far as Playboy goes, and I've at times expressed a want to do it.. If I were offered it, I'm not sure that I would accept.. Like I said, your nude image is out there forever... For anyone to see.

It's also a level of nudity thing... Implied nudity, I would easily consider doing, if it was with a good/reputable photographer.. But nothing where my nipples or downstairs are showing.

Aside from nudity, it's going to be difficult, if not impossible, to live your life without ever doing things your family looks down upon.  And I say that as the father of a 19 year old and a 22 year old who are very good kids.  Who you are involved with, who you stop being involved with, marrying or not, having children or not; where you live, what you do for a living; all of those things and much more are invitations for others to judge you.

Art of the nude wrote:
Aside from nudity, it's going to be difficult, if not impossible, to live your life without ever doing things your family looks down upon.  And I say that as the father of a 19 year old and a 22 year old who are very good kids.  Who you are involved with, who you stop being involved with, marrying or not, having children or not; where you live, what you do for a living; all of those things and much more are invitations for others to judge you.

+1

4 R D wrote:
If people stopped playing games, it would be easier to figure out who is game and who is not. A profile with mixed signals only leads me to believe the model is insecure and has drama-potential.

I have concluded that it is best to assume everyone will consider shooting nudes. It is only a matter of asking politely and making an offer to confirm it or deny it.

I don't think that's too dangerous.

People ask me. I simply respond that I don't do nudes. 90% of the time, we work something out or they move on. Every once in a while I get a response back about not being a "real" model or something.

4 R D wrote:
If people stopped playing games, it would be easier to figure out who is game and who is not. A profile with mixed signals only leads me to believe the model is insecure and has drama-potential.

I have concluded that it is best to assume everyone will consider shooting nudes. It is only a matter of asking politely and making an offer to confirm it or deny it.

I don't think that's too dangerous.

People ask me. I simply respond that I don't do nudes. 90% of the time, we work something out or they move on. Every once in a while I get a response back about not being a "real" model or something.

Yan Tan Tethera wrote:

Plus travel expenses out of state ....

And the deal's off unless an escort can come along.

Kate Louise White wrote:
I can only speak for myself, but I have nudes marked as no on my profile mainly to avoid being contacted by the wrong people. I am very new to the industry and am doing a lot of research as to what sorts of nudes work for me and the kind I would consider too raunchy. If I find some images that are done beautifully I get in contact with the photographer myself.

I guess I am just being selective. If a photographer were to contact me I would look at their portfolio before making any decision.

At the end of the day I would hate to have nude photos I am unhappy with around for all to see, and a one off payment being all I have to show for it.

Quality is far more important.

That makes complete sense to me!  It takes a certain amount of trust between the model and photographer.  This bond between the two will give the model comfort and the photographer confidence in what they are doing.  You are being selective.

Photographers (and models) should be aware in their communication that just because a model has selected "Yes" to doing nudes doesn't mean that anything goes.  What limits a model has needs to be discussed before shooting starts.  Then there are some models who say "No" to nudes, but will do up to implied and topless.  Even when it comes to TFP or paid, some models will only do nude if they are paid.  Others still are non negotiable ... wont do nudes under any circumstances.

Samantha Scarlette wrote:
If I were doing a Vogue type ad campaign that required Nudity, or Playboy or something that comes with a certain "prestige", then I would consider it.  I guess to me it's all about the stigma, and not wanting to do anything my family might look down upon or that I may regret.  Once the photos are taken and posted somewhere they're out there forever..  It's all about context, and regardless of what anyone wants to say, people have different perceptions of someone who's nude in Vogue or some other fashion magazine, than someone who had an online portfolio with nude photos taken by a random photographer.
Even as far as Playboy goes, and I've at times expressed a want to do it.. If I were offered it, I'm not sure that I would accept.. Like I said, your nude image is out there forever... For anyone to see.

It's also a level of nudity thing... Implied nudity, I would easily consider doing, if it was with a good/reputable photographer.. But nothing where my nipples or downstairs are showing.

I understand that for you it is about quality of the publication, and I could "picture" you being in Vogue or Playboy for sure!

Fleming Design wrote:
I don't think that offering you money to murder someone would be the right question for you.  In your case I'd ask what you would have to be offered to never post in Mayhem or any other on line forum ever again.  Different dilemmas for different folks.

The forums are open and free for members to post as lonog as they don't break the rules.  It's my choice to write here.  You also have the choice of not reading the forums.  If you want to pay me not to write in the forum, then message me with an offer!  Otherwise, don't post if you have nothing constructive to add.

Art of the nude wrote:

Aside from nudity, it's going to be difficult, if not impossible, to live your life without ever doing things your family looks down upon.  And I say that as the father of a 19 year old and a 22 year old who are very good kids.  Who you are involved with, who you stop being involved with, marrying or not, having children or not; where you live, what you do for a living; all of those things and much more are invitations for others to judge you.

Very wise words indeed!

VisiFoto wrote:

Is this a confidence issue? Model and/or photographer?

It would appear to take a leap of faith to transition from clothed to nude, plus learning new poses.

I've worked with former male strippers, who were very confident and outgoing with customers. No fear. Charismatic. Were they like before taking their clothes off with customers, or after?

Is there a personality trait required for nude modeling, that no amount of persuasion can overcome a lack of?

I'm fairly certain I would turn down any offer to pose nude, at any age. Or not.

a self-confidence issue to a point, yes, definitely

Harley Spencer wrote:
Everyone has a price. You just have to find that price.

Do you really think a model would refuse a nude shoot for 1 billion dollars? Highly unlikely. It's a high price, but it's a price.

There is a price for everyone, for everything.

in that highly unlikely circumstance...well, i wouldn't have to worry about a nude photo ruining my career aspects...i also worry about offending family/friends, but i guess for that kind of money i could be like, "well if you don't like it then i guess i don't need to lend you money"

but for reasonable compensation, sadly no, wouldn't outweigh the possible risks (in my mind)

K I C K H A M wrote:
I don't think that's too dangerous.

People ask me. I simply respond that I don't do nudes. 90% of the time, we work something out or they move on. Every once in a while I get a response back about not being a "real" llama or something.

This whole thread reminds me of the great Beatles song "Hello, Goodbye" in that a "Yes" or "No" simply checked off on a questionnaire may have a meaning different from what the person asking the question has in mind.

What I hope is communication between a llama whose profile and portfolio are not clear to the photographer asking would be civil.  Depending on how the photographer approaches asking about a llamas limits, the llama should not be offended.  Likewise, a photographer should not take offense either when told the llamas limits on nudity.  Any photographer calling you names or saying you are not a llama because of those limits is being stupid and rude!  They certainly can move on to someone else.