StephenEastwood wrote:

what about the 5D3 disappoints you?

and have you used a G1X?

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

Personally I don't see how anyone could be disappointed with the 5D3. Basically all the important features of a 1Ds in a smaller package. I've been waiting for this camera for awhile. For anyone who prefers the smaller form factor, there's finally a full fledged professional option and it comes in at a really competitive price point.

o k u t a k e wrote:
Personally I don't see how anyone could be disappointed with the 5D3. Basically all the important features of a 1Ds in a smaller package. I've been waiting for this camera for awhile. For anyone who prefers the smaller form factor, there's finally a full fledged professional option and it comes in at a really competitive price point.

I like the larger form factor of a 1DS, but sensor goes to the 5D3 at the moment  I wish for a 1DS4 

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

o k u t a k e wrote:
That or it's a good backup to throw in your bag.
You can never have too many of those.
Not a camera I would plan on using, but if I'm on a shoot and both of my cameras die...

You bring up a good point.
For me, I think the biggest problem with this camera though is the lack of physical manual controls.
I just don't like having to fiddle around with menu's or even a touch screen to make basic exposure and focus adjustments.
I'd rather use a rebel series camera (if my other two died), then this new Canon.

o k u t a k e wrote:
Personally I don't see how anyone could be disappointed with the 5D3.
Basically all the important features of a 1Ds in a smaller package.
I've been waiting for this camera for awhile.
For anyone who prefers the smaller form factor, there's finally a full fledged professional option and it comes in at a really competitive price point.

I'm willing to bet its a brand loyalty thing.
A lot of Canon owners are hearing people rant and rave about Nikon's D800/E and they feel let down that the 5diii doesn't beat it in some stupid aspect.
I could care less what others are shooting with.
My 5dii didn't suddenly stop making great images with the release of another camera.
It still exceeds all my needs...

StephenEastwood wrote:

what about the 5D3 disappoints you?

and have you used a G1X?

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

For starters the 5DIII (I own one) sucks for what it doesn't do i.e. significant increase in DR. For crying out loud the Sony NEX-7 beats it for all out dynamic range. For a body that costs what it does, we should have seen a significant leapfrog over the 1D4 and 5D2.

R.EYE.R wrote:
Love my 5D MkIII.
Sadly NEX7 does not beat it simply because crammed cells on an APS-C sensor create a ton of colour bleeding and artefacts.

Was sincerely looking forward to mirroless FF, but sadly Canon botched it by adapting to Japanese customers (as usual).
Now it's up to Sony...

What??

Where did you get all that from, I've never seen any of that in my first or second NEX-7. The first one died inexplicably and the store replaced it...works like a charm. Unless I need to go over ISO800 I barely notice an IQ issue.

Illuminate wrote:

For starters the 5DIII (I own one) sucks for what it doesn't do i.e. significant increase in DR. For crying out loud the Sony NEX-7 beats it for all out dynamic range. For a body that costs what it does, we should have seen a significant leapfrog over the 1D4 and 5D2.

I'm assuming you're referring to the test conducted by DX0.

I own both, and yes according to the "test" the NEX7 beats it in dynamic range, but in practice, I can't tell the difference.  I can over/ under exposure a shot and get about the same amount of detail back, if anything the 5D is less noisier (FF advantage)

Thats why I take these "test" with a grain of salt, they usually mean nothing in real life use.

R.EYE.R wrote:
Love my 5D MkIII.
Sadly NEX7 does not beat it simply because crammed cells on an APS-C sensor create a ton of colour bleeding and artefacts.

Was sincerely looking forward to mirroless FF, but sadly Canon botched it by adapting to Japanese customers (as usual).
Now it's up to Sony...

Might be lens related, I primarily use the Zeiss 24mm and don't notice any color bleeding.  The camera has a very weak AA filter, so you do get some moire in some shots, but then again I get moire from my 5D3 as well.

K E S L E R wrote:

I'm assuming you're referring to the test conducted by DX0.

I own both, and yes according to the "test" the NEX7 beats it in dynamic range, but in practice, I can't tell the difference.  I can over/ under exposure a shot and get about the same amount of detail back, if anything the 5D is less noisier (FF advantage)

Thats why I take these "test" with a grain of salt, they usually mean nothing in real life use.

More than one

http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/conten … -Range.htm

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/revie … h_on.shtml

http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Sony_ … tion.shtml

I shopped around to find out the "real" pluses and negatives before I bought. Sent the Fuji packing.

K E S L E R wrote:

Might be lens related, I primarily use the Zeiss 24mm and don't notice any color bleeding.  The camera has a very weak AA filter, so you do get some moire in some shots, but then again I get moire from my 5D3 as well.

My 5D MkIII shots are moire free. Though I get a blown reds in night club hot light situations. On occasion, it feels like 5DC dealt better with that.
I am shooting only MF adapted glass though, primarily CY35/1.4 and Rokkor 58/1.2.

A variety of MF lenses were used - mainly Zeiss primes. NEX5 performed much better than NEX7. It only remains to see if new NEX is up to scratch.
Knowing Japanese, the cameras are primarily designed for Japanese clientele and there won't be any change in this policy any time within next 500 years

Illuminate wrote:

For starters the 5DIII (I own one) sucks for what it doesn't do i.e. significant increase in DR. For crying out loud the Sony NEX-7 beats it for all out dynamic range. For a body that costs what it does, we should have seen a significant leapfrog over the 1D4 and 5D2.

Having played with that sony, I can only say I have standards that that sony does not meet and the 5D3 does.

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

K E S L E R wrote:
What I don't get is why didn't canon make the rear LCD articulate?  This is a HUGE selling point in versatility of a P&S is its ability to shoot from different angles.

Don't all the pro photographers complain about an articulating LCD screen too?

K E S L E R wrote:
What I don't get is why didn't canon make the rear LCD articulate?  This is a HUGE selling point in versatility of a P&S is its ability to shoot from different angles.

The Grand Artist wrote:
Don't all the pro photographers complain about an articulating LCD screen too?

This pro would like to have a decent EVF -- preferably one that will at least rotate up, so I can use it as a waist level finder. All these "me-too" Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Format cameras without viewfinders are pretty much useless to me.

StephenEastwood wrote:
I like the larger form factor of a 1DS, but sensor goes to the 5D3 at the moment  I wish for a 1DS4 

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

Same here. I hope my stuff holds out until the 1DS4 comes out... if it comes out. Hate to think that the 1dX is supposed to be "it".

Leggy Mountbatten wrote:

K E S L E R wrote:
What I don't get is why didn't canon make the rear LCD articulate?  This is a HUGE selling point in versatility of a P&S is its ability to shoot from different angles.

This pro would like to have a decent EVF -- preferably one that will at least rotate up, so I can use it as a waist level finder. All these "me-too" Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Format cameras without viewfinders are pretty much useless to me.

Ever since using the NEX 7, I rarly use the EVF that it comes with.  I shoot using the rear LCD.  Having it flip 90 degree up, allows me to shoot from waist level, pretty fun

Digitoxin wrote:
I would love to understand the thought process behind the creation of this camera.

The camera body is probably unimportant - what matters is that they have a new lens mount, and that it's compatible through an adaptor with the EF mount.

Also that they have released one serious lens - the 35mm/2.0 equivalent.

When they have a larger range of prime lenses released, I would expect an updated body learning from the feedback on this one. give it a viewfinder, and we're in Fuji X100 territory.

If the focus and shutter lag is fast enough on the next one, I'll travel happily enough with the 35mm equivalent prime and an EF 85mm for portraits (giving me a 135mm equivalent).

Robb Mann wrote:
Im not a Canon shooter, but why would I, or anyone, choose the mirrorless canon over a Rebel T3i? The Rebel is cheaper, only a few ounces heavier, and doesnt require an adapter to use regular Canon lenses? The mirrorless body + adapter is way more $$ tan the rebel, and loses any weight or size advantage. The two lenses available at launch are not very interesting.

Because you could mount a CY, Leica-M/R, Minolta, Canon FD/FL, Contax-G, etc lenses...
But if you are EF/EF-S lens user, of course there is no point really.

K E S L E R wrote:

Ever since using the NEX 7, I rarly use the EVF that it comes with.  I shoot using the rear LCD.  Having it flip 90 degree up, allows me to shoot from waist level, pretty fun

In that case, I have a YashicaMat you may enjoy

K E S L E R wrote:

Ever since using the NEX 7, I rarly use the EVF that it comes with.  I shoot using the rear LCD.  Having it flip 90 degree up, allows me to shoot from waist level, pretty fun

I also use the rear LCD on my G1 X.

Leggy Mountbatten wrote:

K E S L E R wrote:
What I don't get is why didn't canon make the rear LCD articulate?  This is a HUGE selling point in versatility of a P&S is its ability to shoot from different angles.

This pro would like to have a decent EVF -- preferably one that will at least rotate up, so I can use it as a waist level finder. All these "me-too" Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Format cameras without viewfinders are pretty much useless to me.

But Ken Rockwell said the EOS M is the only serious professional mirrorless!

Robb Mann wrote:
Im not a Canon shooter, but why would I, or anyone, choose the mirrorless canon over a Rebel T3i? The Rebel is cheaper, only a few ounces heavier, and doesnt require an adapter to use regular Canon lenses? The mirrorless body + adapter is way more $$ tan the rebel, and loses any weight or size advantage. The two lenses available at launch are not very interesting.

It's a legitimate second body if all else fails. I carry two bodies as it is but if I had the EOS M, I'd toss it in the bag also.

You also get continuous AF during video. Yes, I know not everyone does video, but some people do. I can see it coming in handy here and there.

For Canon shooters, it helps to not have to buy into a completely new system.

It's not really a camera for most DSLR shooters and it's not supposed to be. Looks decent.

StephenEastwood wrote:

Having played with that sony, I can only say I have standards that that sony does not meet and the 5D3 does.

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

Well we must have our standards...but I know more than one pro who uses the NEX-7 and the IQ doesn't seem to be an issue. I certainly haven't found that to be the case. It's a nice compliment to my 5 and 1D series bodies.

I'm firmly on the mirrorless wagon but the AF has got to be fast and accurate.

Greg Slaughter wrote:
The name says "M" but I don't see anywhere it mentioned that it is compatible with Leica M lenses. Too bad! I have both Canon and Leica systems (and Hasselblad for medium format) but my Leica M lenses are much much better than even the best Canon lenses. So, if this did work with Leica M, I could see getting one just to have a point and shoot to take around with my Leica M lenses.
Greg

It is since it's mirrorless. All you have to do is wait a little for an adaptor to become available.
Though sensor will be your limitation - if glas outresolves it, no point to waste money on the M glass.

K E S L E R wrote:
What I don't get is why didn't canon make the rear LCD articulate?  This is a HUGE selling point in versatility of a P&S is its ability to shoot from different angles.

Leggy Mountbatten wrote:
This pro would like to have a decent EVF -- preferably one that will at least rotate up, so I can use it as a waist level finder. All these "me-too" Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Format cameras without viewfinders are pretty much useless to me.

ASYLUM - Photo wrote:
But Ken Rockwell said the EOS M is the only serious professional mirrorless!

The Fuji is awfully close to what I'd like to have in one of these cameras. Canon could have done a "digital P" with a similar design to the Fuji, but with faster operation, and had a real winner on their hands.

R_Marquez wrote:

It's a legitimate second body if all else fails. I carry two bodies as it is but if I had the EOS M, I'd toss it in the bag also.

You also get continuous AF during video. Yes, I know not everyone does video, but some people do. I can see it coming in handy here and there.

For Canon shooters, it helps to not have to buy into a completely new system.

It's not really a camera for most DSLR shooters and it's not supposed to be. Looks decent.

"if I had the EOS M, I'd toss it in the bag also....."

See, that s the key to me..... WILL you BUY this camera?   What I hear you saying is that you won't spend essentially a Grand on this camera but, IF somebody gave you one you would  use it as a backup.  That's not the stuff of good sales numbers in the market segment that Includes folks Like us.

Leggy Mountbatten wrote:
The Fuji is awfully close to what I'd like to have in one of these cameras. Canon could have done a "digital P" with a similar design to the Fuji, but with faster operation, and had a real winner on their hands.

Fully agreed.

Canon has missed the ball for me on this one.

K E S L E R wrote:
What I don't get is why didn't canon make the rear LCD articulate?  This is a HUGE selling point in versatility of a P&S is its ability to shoot from different angles.

or like "the old days" you could lay on the ground... :-P