Kimberley Elodie wrote:

Hi sugar, I definitely will be working it. I already know I need better photogs, that is why I joined the site (derp). But thanks for commenting.

I hate to burst your bubble into a thousand little sad pieces of forced delusion, but I am definitely not a plus size model. Since I am under 5'7", I am classified as petite in height. But you, you clearly are plus size (or attempting to be). Can you not see the differences in your and my body types? I am a size 4. Sorry honey.

But, here, let me google those for you so you do not continue this line of flawed logic....
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=plus+size+model 
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=petite+model

Size four?

Back in the day, when I was at my slimmest (115 pounds) I was a size six.  I'm 5'5".  My measurements at the time were 34-24-36 with a B cup size.  You are not a size four, unless your clothing has been incorrectly labeled.

You asked for help in the critique section.  Be more realistic and honest about what you have to offer.

(IBTL)

SPRINGHEEL wrote:

So far, its absolutely wonderful

I have a feeling this is not a real profile that started this thread, but at least it is entertaining on a day where everybody is being so serious out in the "real world".

Karl Blessing wrote:
Arguing with your respondents in a critique post... that tends to end well.

PS: If you're self-admitantly new... it helps not to argue with the actual experienced people on the boards, makes you look silly. I agree with most of the responses above regarding the quality of your work.

Hi Karl. What I am doing is not really arguing, it is more like providing clarity to misguided thoughts. The problem with these online communities is that everyone is anonymous, no matter how many photos, videos, comments, bios, and even 'proofs' people can put on their site. Fact of the matter is that everyone knows that the chances of interacting with these individuals in real life are ridiculously slim (unless a collective effort is made towards meeting up).

Karl Blessing wrote:
Arguing with your respondents in a critique post... that tends to end well.

PS: If you're self-admitantly new... it helps not to argue with the actual experienced people on the boards, makes you look silly. I agree with most of the responses above regarding the quality of your work.

Kimberley Elodie wrote:
Hi Karl. What I am doing is not really arguing, it is more like providing clarity to misguided thoughts. The problem with these online communities is that everyone is anonymous, no matter how many photos, videos, comments, bios, and even 'proofs' people can put on their site. Fact of the matter is that everyone knows that the chances of interacting with these individuals in real life are ridiculously slim (unless a collective effort is made towards meeting up).

I doubt that, half the professionals in this thread list their real name on their profile, This is my real name, that's my real cat, my photos are really taken by me, my actual phone number and address is on copies of model releases provided.

So naturally I wouldn't blame being anonymous on the style of some people's responses.

But providing inaccurate/false information, tends to be worse than just hiding behind being anonymous. Makes it hard to hook up with decent photographers, since fake information tends to be a red flag.

DivaEroticus wrote:
....
Be more realistic and honest about what you have to offer.
...
(IBTL)

Going forward, this will be the major issue - especially the honesty part. Most of the people here have not just fallen off the turnip truck.

Your reputation is incredibly important - once people think you are trying to deceive them, you are really cooked.

DivaEroticus wrote:

Size four?

Back in the day, when I was at my slimmest (115 pounds) I was a size six.  I'm 5'5".  My measurements at the time were 34-24-36 with a B cup size.  You are not a size four, unless your clothing has been incorrectly labeled.

You asked for help in the critique section.  Be more realistic and honest about what you have to offer.

(IBTL)

That's odd, because when I was 110lbs with a B-cup at 5'3" i fit into a size 0. Everybody's body is different! Maybe you should not be so quick to call people out; when I go shopping at the mall, these are the sizes I come back with. They fit me beautifully. In my photos I was a bit heavier but my measurements are accurate. Thanks for the input though!

In Balance Photography wrote:

If you like to model, by all means model. However, be prepared to use the earnings from tutoring to pay for your hobby.

LOL! Too funny! If you didn't read my prior comment, I took my hobby to a profession after I started making professional money. So there is no need to dip into my tutoring earning to take photos.

In Balance Photography wrote:

Going forward, this will be the major issue - especially the honesty part. Most of the people here have not just fallen off the turnip truck.

Your reputation is incredibly important - once people think you are trying to deceive them, you are really cooked.

Thanks for the pointer. But to reiterate, everything on my profile is true. I didn't join this site to make lies, it is an investment. I started a new diet so stay tuned for my new measurements in a few weeks. You will see more of me very very soon.

Karl Blessing wrote:

Karl Blessing wrote:
Arguing with your respondents in a critique post... that tends to end well.

PS: If you're self-admitantly new... it helps not to argue with the actual experienced people on the boards, makes you look silly. I agree with most of the responses above regarding the quality of your work.

I doubt that, half the professionals in this thread list their real name on their profile, This is my real name, that's my real cat, my photos are really taken by me, my actual phone number and address is on copies of model releases provided.

So naturally I wouldn't blame being anonymous on the style of some people's responses.

But providing inaccurate/false information, tends to be worse than just hiding behind being anonymous. Makes it hard to hook up with decent photographers, since fake information tends to be a red flag.

Thanks for the tip, I try to keep up with my changing body and make sure that all the information I post is accurate. What are the odds of me and you bumping into each other today? Ya, they're incredibly slim... and that's why I say people go on the internet and act differently than they would in person. I wasn't talking about you or your cat, or even anyone specifically who replied to this thread when I said that. I merely wanted to bring awareness to this trend.

Kimberley Elodie wrote:

Thanks for the pointer. But to reiterate, everything on my profile is true. I didn't join this site to make lies, it is an investment. I started a new diet so stay tuned for my new measurements in a few weeks. You will see more of me very very soon.

You can reiterate that everything you said is the god's honest truth, but the pictures you have in your portfolio don't support it.

Either way, *you* need to make the pictures and the measurements (height and weight) match.

Kimberley Elodie wrote:

That's odd, because when I was 110lbs with a B-cup at 5'3" i fit into a size 0. Everybody's body is different! Maybe you should not be so quick to call people out; when I go shopping at the mall, these are the sizes I come back with. They fit me beautifully. In my photos I was a bit heavier but my measurements are accurate. Thanks for the input though!

I am in no way "call[ing] people out."  And it's not odd that I was a size six with the measurements I had at the time.  I'm sure your clothing DOES fit you beautifully, but the sizes in today's market are not true.  And if you don't look like the photos in your port, take them down and put up accurate ones.  And put up a snapshot of what you look like now, in a bra and panties, so potential photographers can see your actual shape and size.

S W I N S K E Y wrote:
while you are an attractive young woman, you are not model material.
...

You know there's several different kind of models, while I'm not a fan of a 'particular' market, there are many models that fill that niche quite nicely.

S W I N S K E Y wrote:
I don't believe for one minute that you are making a living off modeling, perhaps if you were nude art model, but you don't seem to do nudes.

I do believe you might be able to hobby model, but any photographer that has any sort of status, is not going to be calling you.

tough love is better then false hope..

Course one need only make 60% of their livable income from a particular source to report it as professional/business to the IRS. But course some people are pretty broad on what tasks they consider 'modeling'.

Blue Ash Film Group wrote:

I have a feeling this is not a real profile that started this thread, but at least it is entertaining on a day where everybody is being so serious out in the "real world".

I'm certain she is real.


She is making mistakes.  She'll learn and, as usual with most "new models", will probably decide in the next few months that its not worth it and she will move on to other endeavors.

Blue Ash Film Group wrote:

I have a feeling this is not a real profile that started this thread, but at least it is entertaining on a day where everybody is being so serious out in the "real world".

i would agree ... that the op is an actual model is pretty outlandish  ... even on mm

SPRINGHEEL wrote:

I'm certain she is real.


She is making mistakes.  She'll learn and, as usual with most "new models", will probably decide in the next few months that its not worth it and she will move on to other endeavors.

Little bit of a hijack here.  I, too, think she's real.  The argumentative pattern and holding on to dreams in preference to looking objectively at her own and and the modeling world's realities (whether pro or hobbyist) is indicative of the many "self-improvement" mills and "model managers" out there who insist that by hard work, persistence and determination, anyone, no matter what their lack of qualifications, can change the way the world works. That plus, of course, handing them sizable chunks of the "model's" hard earned cash.

It's sad, really, really sad.

What makes it more sad is the fact that a disproportionate number of young women of color get caught up by these pariahs, a fact borne out by reading the profiles of many of the newbies.  The argument is that "There's nothing wrong with your stats, it's just that they're all racists."  The fact is that there is racism in the world of modeling, just as there is in the world at large, and the pariahs use that fact to sucker in gullible young women.  But you can't beat racism by denying reality, and you can't change reality by not recognizing it.

Another fact is that almost no one "makes it" in this industry  There are quite a number of women of color making amazingly good incomes.  But there are precious few, white or non-white, making a living at all that don't conform to the standards for their particular segments of the industry.  The most that the vast majority of us can attain is a reasonable measure of self-gratification, some friendships and some pleasant experiences to remember in our old age, and at the end of the day, that is no small accomplishment.  But the folks that fall for this siren's song are ultimately denied even this accomplishment and they never seem to know why.

And that's worse than sad.

All IMHO, as always

Rays Fine Art wrote:

Little bit of a hijack here.  I, too, think she's real.  The argumentative pattern and holding on to dreams in preference to looking objectively at her own and and the modeling world's realities (whether pro or hobbyist) is indicative of the many "self-improvement" mills and "model managers" out there who insist that by hard work, persistence and determination, anyone, no matter what their lack of qualifications, can change the way the world works. That plus, of course, handing them sizable chunks of the "model's" hard earned cash.

It's sad, really, really sad.

What makes it more sad is the fact that a disproportionate number of young women of color get caught up by these pariahs, a fact borne out by reading the profiles of many of the newbies.  The argument is that "There's nothing wrong with your stats, it's just that they're all racists."  The fact is that there is racism in the world of modeling, just as there is in the world at large, and the pariahs use that fact to sucker in gullible young women.  But you can't beat racism by denying reality, and you can't change reality by not recognizing it.

Another fact is that almost no one "makes it" in this industry  There are quite a number of women of color making amazingly good incomes.  But there are precious few, white or non-white, making a living at all that don't conform to the standards for their particular segments of the industry.  The most that the vast majority of us can attain is a reasonable measure of self-gratification, some friendships and some pleasant experiences to remember in our old age, and at the end of the day, that is no small accomplishment.  But the folks that fall for this siren's song are ultimately denied even this accomplishment and they never seem to know why.

And that's worse than sad.

All IMHO, as always

In your honest opinion and undeniably true. Which is why the biggest advice I can give to ANY aspiring model is not to hand your hard earned money over to anyone other than good photographers and muas. Model "predators" are everywhere. Never quit that day job, either, and make sure you regard modeling as a serious hobby ie: don't drop out of school for it, don't abandon your career for it, don't murder your family over it etc etc.

_ Robyn Elizabeth _ wrote:
I think after TinRoses' post is a good place for me to join in here since you were really very rude in your reply to her.

So as another comparism, your stats are almost identical to mine, now either:

1: You have worked with really bad photographers who make you look much larger than you are.
2: Your pictures are out of date and you have lost a lot of weight
3: You are not a size 4-6

For either of the first two options you really need to get some better pictures but you will find it hard to get people to work with you with that attitude.  I would say, option 3 is the most likely.

Even at my size, US 4 and sometimes 6 depending on the clothing range, I am both a bit large and rather too short to be a fashion model (oh and also too old but that doesn't refer to you).

You have a pretty face but you have a terrible attitude.  Noone on this thread was trying to be mean but you have a very distorted view of reality.

Get the attitude in check and enjoy the modelling as a hobby.

+1(x10,000)

Kimberley Elodie wrote:
When I go shopping at the mall, these are the sizes I come back with.

Ever heard of 'vanity sizing'? Not that it would apply to you, obviously

Kimberley Elodie wrote:
In my photos I was a bit heavier but my measurements are accurate.

Then take down the photos that are no longer representative. You only need 4 images and they can all be snapshots or polaroids if necessary. eg.



Oh, and the "hip" measurement needs to be taken around the widest/largest part of your butt, not your hips.



Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Autumn Rose Brightly wrote:

+1(x10,000)

aww, I've never been times 10,000 before.  Thanks

AJScalzitti wrote:
Why can't people read the modeling 101 links they are given? There is no such thing as a petite plus size model.  Plus size is usually even taller the straight size.

It's nice to have dreams, but the rest of the world doesn't care.  In this industry they are looking to sell something, it's that simple.  The models, stylists, MUA, and photographes are a means to and end.

+1

David Kirk wrote:
As a photographer I have zero interest in working with you.  Partly because you don't seem to photograph well based on your portfolio but more so because your attitude is appalling.

When you request a critique, the proper response to those who have taken the time to respond is "Thank you" whether you agree with their views or not.

+1, very well stated

Tracii Taylor wrote:
I just measured.  My waist is 25 & my hips are 34.  Something's not right with one of our measurements.

If I took a tape and got two people to help me tug-of-war style, I bet I could make that tape return a 25 inch waist and 34 inch hips.  But that tape better be made out of carbon nanotubes or something.

My point is that some women just want to see the number they want to see and will pull that tape until they see it.

Kimberley Elodie wrote:
Thank you for your pessimisticconstructive criticism, however I am going to have to politely disagree with you. You make me laugh.

Your comments give me a glimpse into who you are, and that knowledge alone strips you of any credibility. I am an individual, I don't let others decide my fate or how I view myself. What makes you think that I really care about your opinion on how "hard" I am trying on my profile?

Maybe you are an underachiever, but my dynamic personality always drives me to impress and go above and beyond with anything I do. That includes taking about my dazzling, dynamic, multifaceted personality.

This is a networking site buddy, get with the program. Don't come on internet message boards hiding behind your computer trying to bring down someone because you are too narrow minded.

Oh, my. And to think you came in here asking for brutally honest opinions. I was one of the gentler critics in the bunch.

Well, your dynamic personality *has* impressed. Likely not in the way you may have intended, but it's left an impression on the participants in this thread.

Keep up with the foolish profile packed with irrelevant handwaving. Keep up with the tragic portfolio (your ballerina shots remind me of a certain scene in Disney's Fantasia). And most definitely keep lashing out at people who give you feedback that falls short of unabashed adoration. Now THAT'S networking.