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Photographer

Fashion and Flesh

Posts: 37

CARDIFF BY THE SEA, California, US

I think so...at long last the truth gets out. Clearly the posters want exposure, but not all the time or with all the people who want clarity of purpose and dignity of soul. Times are tight and so be the measure of the men and the models that can overcome these hurdles with aplomb and graciousness of image and spirit.

Jan 07 13 11:04 pm Link

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deletedxxx

Posts: 149

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Which all brings us to the final conclusion which is.....
Do whatever works for you and tell everyone who disagrees to f*ck off. Own your life and your decisions - right or wrong.

Jan 08 13 01:02 am Link

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denis071

Posts: 98

Sarajevo, Federacija Bosna i Hercegovina, Bosnia and Herzegovina

MelissaAnn  wrote:
The other side of that argument would be this: It could be perceived as truly narcissistic to expect a response from every random person that you send an unsolicited offer to, especially when you're messaging people with much better reputations and quality of work than your own.  If some llamas (or photographers for that matter) answered every inquiry they received, there would be no time left in the day for them to get any actual work done.  I don't think you realize how many messages some people receive, and how much traveling some people need to do. Unfortunately, answering every message is just not always possible.

following your logic, not to respond sending message not that you are bussy and do not have time but that you are "too high in the clouds" to talk to normal people here at the gound.

someone can read that like: you are small person not important for my response. how narcissistic is that?

reading your responses to other MM members I see your stand: my way or highway.

You are not responding to e-mails you receive and if that's OK with you, who are we to complain about it or critisize you? If that's how you see professionalism in any business. good luck.

what people here trying to say is that in any business there must (or at least should) be some professionalism. respond to normal e-mail should be sent back. it is a matter of manners and business relations (I see llamaing/photographing as mode of business mixed with pleasure (professional one), don't you?).

and none of us is that bussy not to have 3 minutes to type simple e-mail in 2 weeks time. no one.

your unrealistic high opinion about your self is stunning.

Jan 08 13 03:22 am Link

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Damianne

Posts: 15975

Austin, Texas, US

denis071 wrote:

following your logic, not to respond sending message not that you are bussy and do not have time but that you are "too high in the clouds" to talk to normal people here at the gound.

someone can read that like: you are small person not important for my response. how narcissistic is that?

reading your responses to other MM members I see your stand: my way or highway.

You are not responding to e-mails you receive and if that's OK with you, who are we to complain about it or critisize you? If that's how you see professionalism in any business. good luck.

what people here trying to say is that in any business there must (or at least should) be some professionalism. respond to normal e-mail should be sent back. it is a matter of manners and business relations (I see modeling/photographing as mode of business mixed with pleasure (professional one), don't you?).

and none of us is that bussy not to have 3 minutes to type simple e-mail in 2 weeks time. no one.

your unrealistic high opinion about your self is stunning.

It's more like "my way or the sucks for you but you have no input on what I do or don't do so it's just my way"

Jan 08 13 03:41 am Link

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denis071

Posts: 98

Sarajevo, Federacija Bosna i Hercegovina, Bosnia and Herzegovina

DougBPhoto wrote:
Perhaps you misunderstood me.

I was NOT saying that I agreed with "no response is a response", I was simply saying that it is a VERY common opinion on this site, and very common in the real world.   I did NOT say whether I thought it was good or bad, JUST that it is common.

You commented that replying is a matter of cultural respect, I see you are writing from Sarajevo, I am writing from the USA and the USA is where a majority of MM's users are from.  Your culture may still look at this question that way, but what is common in the USA may be different, and may more closely follow the information I was trying to share.

You can feel free to disagree with me about how common it is on the site, I have no problem with that.  (Although you've been on the site for a year, I'm going on 5 years here, 31,000+ forum posts compared to your 45,  it seems quite possible that I've heard this matter discussed in the forums frequently enough to get a feeling for how common it is.)

However, to state you disagree with me on what I personally believe (I did not express my beliefs, only my observations) and make disrespectful comments about how much I respect myself when I was simply expressing my observations.

I'm sorry, that is uncalled for and disrespectful of you.

My post wasn't disrespectful at all.

Read it again and it says that one who doesn't answer is sending disrespect to a sender. if you found your self there, sorry, it is up to you.

on the other hand, if you get used not to get answers to your questions, it is ok with me. I can hardly accept it as modern way of communication, something that is common thing among people etc etc etc. it looks like that people are forgetting just to be nice to each other and send simple 1 line, few words response.

and at the end, I can hardly see that the number of posts and years spent here can be relevant for any discussion which is excahnge of opinions, experience and beleives, not counting the number of posts in forum.

respect.

Jan 08 13 04:10 am Link

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Miser Phototgraphy

Posts: 102

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

Not one person networking on this site is too busy to simply reply with a "not interested because ...."

If the photographer takes the time to look at your portfolio, read your profile and decide to contact you for possible work, you should at least take the time to be courteous enough to reply.

There is rarely an excuse to not reply. There is no "this is the new model for business communication" as people here have stated. If you took the time to offer a quick reason as to not wanting to work, you would get a lot more respect and less mire raking over it.

Look at it this way......if you see a photographers work you like a lot and you know can help your portfolio; you contact them and they don't reply to you....how would you feel?


Treat others as you wish to be treated. Plain and simple

Jan 08 13 04:36 am Link

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Bill Tracy Photography

Posts: 2293

Montague, New Jersey, US

Miser Photography wrote:
Not one person networking on this site is too busy to simply reply with a "not interested because ...."

If the photographer takes the time to look at your portfolio, read your profile and decide to contact you for possible work, you should at least take the time to be courteous enough to reply.

There is rarely an excuse to not reply. There is no "this is the new model for business communication" as people here have stated. If you took the time to offer a quick reason as to not wanting to work, you would get a lot more respect and less mire raking over it.

Look at it this way......if you see a photographers work you like a lot and you know can help your portfolio; you contact them and they don't reply to you....how would you feel?


Treat others as you wish to be treated. Plain and simple

Agree on all points.  I give full details, make sure I'm contacting the right kind of model within my area, etc etc.  I do everything right.  So when a model reads and doesn't reply, it just makes me think they're rude pieces of shit, that would probably pull a no-show anyway. So I just delete them from my friends and block their worthless asses.  I'm too old to deal with this kind of bullshit.

Jan 08 13 04:51 am Link

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Babalon Salome

Posts: 3499

Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany

Bill Tracy Photography wrote:
I do everything right.  So when a model reads and doesn't reply, it just makes me think they're rude pieces of shit, that would probably pull a no-show anyway. So I just delete them from my friends and block their worthless asses.

Aren't you a darling.

Jan 08 13 05:01 am Link

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Dan K Photography

Posts: 5466

STATEN ISLAND, New York, US

Miser Photography wrote:
Not one person networking on this site is too busy to simply reply with a "not interested because ...."

If the photographer takes the time to look at your portfolio, read your profile and decide to contact you for possible work, you should at least take the time to be courteous enough to reply.

There is rarely an excuse to not reply. There is no "this is the new model for business communication" as people here have stated. If you took the time to offer a quick reason as to not wanting to work, you would get a lot more respect and less mire raking over it.

Look at it this way......if you see a photographers work you like a lot and you know can help your portfolio; you contact them and they don't reply to you....how would you feel?


Treat others as you wish to be treated. Plain and simple

Well how about the people like me who prefer not to get a no, thanks? I would rather have a no reply then a reply. So maybe some models feel that way and they go by your moto?

Most photographers including me do not get the barrage of emails that the good models get. It is a big deal to write 50 no thanks a day. Why you guys can't see that is a mystery.

Jan 08 13 05:46 am Link

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Damianne

Posts: 15975

Austin, Texas, US

Babalon Salome wrote:

Aren't you a darling.

Don't be impolite to him by being unresponsive, and you'll be rewarded with what I'm sure is a very sweet acceptance of his shoot request rejection.

Jan 08 13 05:57 am Link

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Damianne

Posts: 15975

Austin, Texas, US

I have to spend a lot more time figuring out a response (and therefore, someone else might not respond) if the photographer's profile is covered in negativity and forum arguments (more than a quick blurb about escorts, yelling at me not to be a flake, etc). I'm also much more likely to turn the shoot down.

Jan 08 13 05:59 am Link

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Mike Dunbar Photography

Posts: 3

Aberdeen, Scotland, United Kingdom

I get my share of nil response too but I regard it as a blessing in disguise.  The model has defined her standards of professionalism, reliability and courtesy up front.  I don't have to waste any more time on her that might result in a no-show, can't pose, can't follow a brief, just want to see some pictures of myself.

Much, much worse for me is investing a lot of time in planning, correspondence and travel only for the model not to show, not to communicate and to leave the project hanging.

Jan 08 13 06:10 am Link

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JohnnySkein

Posts: 4

Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, US

Miser Photography wrote:
Not one person networking on this site is too busy to simply reply with a "not interested because ...."

If the photographer takes the time to look at your portfolio, read your profile and decide to contact you for possible work, you should at least take the time to be courteous enough to reply.

There is rarely an excuse to not reply. There is no "this is the new model for business communication" as people here have stated. If you took the time to offer a quick reason as to not wanting to work, you would get a lot more respect and less mire raking over it.

Look at it this way......if you see a photographers work you like a lot and you know can help your portfolio; you contact them and they don't reply to you....how would you feel?


Treat others as you wish to be treated. Plain and simple

Totally agree.  If one is so busy that you can't reply with a simple "sorry, not at this time..."  you have maxed out your networking and don't need this site anymore.

Jan 08 13 06:11 am Link

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JadeDRed

Posts: 5459

London, England, United Kingdom

This is subject to me is like eating meat/vegetarianism. Both reasonable stances, with valid reasoning behind them.

And yet the insecure little babies have to cry and whine and abuse the other side for not being the same as them, or even try to force them to conform to their beliefs.

Sad.

Jan 08 13 06:17 am Link

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RKD Photographic

Posts: 3265

Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

JadeDRed wrote:
This is subject to me is like eating meat/vegetarianism. Both reasonable stances, with valid reasoning behind them.

And yet the insecure little babies have to cry and whine and abuse the other side for not being the same as them, or even try to force them to conform to their beliefs.

Sad.

"You are in cattle country, eat beef you bastards!"

Australian Pro-beef car sticker.

Jan 08 13 06:24 am Link

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FiveOne November

Posts: 172

Rochester, New York, US

I prefer a "No, thank you" response to any inquiry I make to a model (or MUA, or photog) to no response at all.

It's kind of like walking past someone in a hallway, saying "hello" and having that person completely ignore it.  It says more about the person who doesn't respond than the person who says "hello".

But I don't take it personally if I don't get one.

Jan 08 13 12:47 pm Link

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Lightfire Creative

Posts: 179

Wollongong, New South Wales, Australia

I had some time off to do a shoot last year and I contacted a travelling model to see if she wanted the job.  It was for a paid assignment.  In this case, she didn't get back to me.  I thought I was given the shaft so I booked another model for that period.

The model I originally contacted then eventually did get back to me days (almost a week) later to which I told her I had already booked someone else.

In this case, she was genuinely unable to respond in a reasonable time frame but she did get back to me.  I will try and book her again when she's up my way.

Other times when I offer paid work to other models, I sometimes don't get a response at all so I move on.  I simply can't put everything on hold whilst I wait for a simple response from the model I've contacted.

Things would go easier if the model just indicated she was not interested in the offer of work so I could get on and book another.

Jan 08 13 01:11 pm Link

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JadeDRed

Posts: 5459

London, England, United Kingdom

FiveOne November wrote:
It's kind of like walking past someone in a hallway, saying "hello" and having that person completely ignore it.  It says more about the person who doesn't respond than the person who says "hello".

Actually if you often get snubbed by people in public places that probably says a lot about you.

Jan 08 13 01:14 pm Link

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FiveOne November

Posts: 172

Rochester, New York, US

JadeDRed wrote:
Actually if you often get snubbed by people in public places that probably says a lot about you.

It was a simile.  There was no indication of frequency of occurrence. smile

But I revise my statement to "it says something about each person equally." The one person reaches out to a stranger with a simple friendly greeting.  The other person is unable or unwilling to respond to a simple friendly greeting!

Jan 08 13 01:20 pm Link

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Damianne

Posts: 15975

Austin, Texas, US

FiveOne November wrote:

It was a simile.  There was no indication of frequency of occurrence. smile

But I revise my statement to "it says something about each person equally." The one person reaches out to a stranger with a simple friendly greeting.  The other person is unable or unwilling to respond to a simple friendly greeting!

It's not friendly if it's obligating me to do something for fear of being judged. Then it's aggressive and rude.
If it really were just friendly, my response or lack thereof is irrelevant.

Jan 08 13 01:25 pm Link

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FiveOne November

Posts: 172

Rochester, New York, US

Damianne wrote:
It's not friendly if it's obligating me to do something for fear of being judged. Then it's aggressive and rude.
If it really were just friendly, my response or lack thereof is irrelevant.

This may be why I never promise to return comments on the main MM page. It's just too darn stressful to keep track!  big_smile smile

Jan 08 13 02:12 pm Link

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Laura UnBound

Posts: 27371

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Miser Photography wrote:
Not one person networking on this site is too busy to simply reply with a "not interested because ...."

If the photographer takes the time to look at your portfolio, read your profile and decide to contact you for possible work, you should at least take the time to be courteous enough to reply.

There is rarely an excuse to not reply. There is no "this is the new llama for business communication" as people here have stated. If you took the time to offer a quick reason as to not wanting to work, you would get a lot more respect and less mire raking over it.

Look at it this way......if you see a photographers work you like a lot and you know can help your portfolio; you contact them and they don't reply to you....how would you feel?


Treat others as you wish to be treated. Plain and simple

When I dont get a response to my emails, I assume the answer is No and I move on. I prefer that over some lame attempt to not hurt my oh so precious feelings in turning me down.

So...I guess I AM treating others how I wish to be treated, and its working out pretty well for me. Thanks for the advice borat


And youre right, its absolutely not a new business llama for communication at all. Its a very old one.

Go put in some random job applications at your local shopping mall. Complain how rude they are when none of the ones that dont want you call you to personally tell you that you were not accepted. None of those international chains that make millions of dollars know how to run a professional business, obviously. Its really going to damage their reputation.

Jan 08 13 02:14 pm Link

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Studio 12

Posts: 197

Spartanburg, South Carolina, US

Fantastic. Maybe the best thread ever. Thanks.

Jan 08 13 02:31 pm Link

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291

Posts: 11911

SEQUOIA NATIONAL PARK, California, US

why don't all the butthurt photographers who are harping on professionalism just write in their correspondence, "if there's interest then please drop a reply."

if there's no response then there's the answer.  no other explanation is needed.

Jan 08 13 03:16 pm Link

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C Mirene

Posts: 1610

Toledo, Ohio, US

When I get no reply, I can only assume that the model mistakenly overlooked the msg or forgot.  It happens...   Maybe someone said that.  I didn't read this entire thing...

But what I really want to say is that I want to work with the OP.

Hopefully if I ever send her a msg I will receive a great reply.  wink

Jan 08 13 07:01 pm Link

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Christopher Carter

Posts: 7688

Indianapolis, Indiana, US

Luckily, years and years and years and years and years of being rejected by girls has prepared me for being rejected by models.

There's always another model. Get over it.

Jan 08 13 07:56 pm Link

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Sand Angel Photography

Posts: 569

Phoenix, Arizona, US

A day or so ago I responded to a casting call. I figured it was a long shot since it had been up a while.

A few minutes ago I received this as a reply, "Hi Robert, I am booked up right now, but thank you!"

I replied back, "No problem. Thanks for the reply. If you free up in the future and want to try something out, feel free to get a hold of me."

Maybe the model is booked up, maybe not. But I thought it was a good clear concise reply and I left the opening just in case she was.

It's really that simple. I suck. lol.

Jan 08 13 08:04 pm Link

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Mercia Productions

Posts: 41

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada



This is part of my preamble on my profile and I think it states my viewpoint. To be blunt, I don't want to work with llamas who are rude and inconsiderate and I feel that the refusal to send even a simple "no thank you" puts them in that category. Professionalism is not only about your conduct in front of the lens but also about your means of communication in the business.

I initiated a "Block List" for such llamas and although I was advised (by word of mouth) that a couple of them had wanted to get in touch with me about a later casting of mine, I still felt that they had set their own standard.

If someone says "Good morning" or "Nice day" is it not worth some sort of friendly response? Just answer emails and act like a professional. That is no danger to your safety.

Jan 08 13 08:31 pm Link

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291

Posts: 11911

SEQUOIA NATIONAL PARK, California, US

Mercia Productions wrote:
...To be blunt, I don't want to work with models who are rude and inconsiderate and I feel that the refusal to send even a simple "no thank you" puts them in that category.

the no response indicates the choice of working together wasn't yours.

Jan 08 13 08:36 pm Link

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mac13photography

Posts: 28

New York, New York, US

Lanna_ wrote:
If someone sends me an inquiry that looks something like this, I can almost certainly guarantee that I will get a response back in a timely manner.  It may be a yes or no, but it will be a response.

Hi Lanna, (note how they used my name - I can tell it's not a completely blatant copy/paste)

I like your look, I especially like the work you did with (insert evidence of looking at my portfolio).


I'm looking to shoot a half day of (insert genre) and I have a mood board up here (link to evidence of actually putting thought into the shoot).

I'm hoping to shoot (insert range of dates) in (name of town).   

I (will or will not) have MU/H/styling available. (List who's on the team, if there is one.)

Take a look at my portfolio here (link to professional portfolio) and let me know if you're interested.

In return for your time, I can offer (TF edited images, money, barter, etc)

Thanks,
Coherent Non-creepy Photographer

I'm a bit late to the thread and I'm not trying to hijack it by any means but rather seek help.  The thread has definitely been helpful hearing from both photogs and esp. from the models.   Anyone who would be willing to take the time out of there busy day and PM me to help me would be greatly appreciated.   

The post above is very similar to what I will make my first message out to be.  I don't message any models who haven't accepted my friend request.   I don't ask any model to do any sort of shoot that doesn't coincide with the genres they have listed.  I  don't message any model outside a a 15 mile radius.  I never tell a model how hot they are, I want to take them out, basically (to my knowledge) I don't say anything creepy.   

I don't usually give a specific date because I work as a freelance cinematographer/gaffer and my shed.  is week by week and usually flexible (which I explain). 

I also usually explain that I prefer working with natural light (cuz I tend to work with lights all day at my job) and that I tend to not like using MUAs  cuz again I like a more natural, stripped down, raw look. 

I also might explain how I completely understand both of those aspects are needed for some specific ideas and I'm not closed to either. 

I do tell them that the shoot is TF ( I won't request that to anyone who's profile states they don't shoot TF) but that I'm not completely opposed to paying for a model.   I also offer that I'll pay for transportation and any other production costs

I message models who's profiles say "message me if you'd like to shoot" so I don't consider my messages to be "unsolicited" (which not to get off topic but isn't by joining MM, that's the point?)  I don't believe I am delusional in my view towards my own port.  (I know it's not gods gift to photography) but I believe I only message "models" with ports that are equal or lesser than mine.

So I'm obviously trying to figure out why models MAY not be answering my messages when I blatently see they are reading them and what can I do to change this. 

Is it my lack of credits (this is my first initial thinking) but frustrating at times just like when u go to apply for jobs that ask for 5+ years of experience..where to get my credentials if no one will give me a start!?

Does my port actually suck that much? (again I know my port isn't breathtaking by any means, but I feel I have avg. shots and can def.  improve)

Am I reaching out to the wrong models..should I suck it up and offer pay to them them or what even if they say they will do TF.

I have had some luck getting responses back and even have a couple shoots set up for te near future but I'd like to increase the %.   I don't get buttsore by any means when a model doesn't respond but I do get a bit frustrated thinking to myself "what am I saying or NOT saying to invoke a response"

Thank you in advance to anyone who offer up advice.   

Lastly,
I will flat out admit I do have models "friends" who's ports are out of my league but I tend to FR those who I believe I'm on par with based on their ports and what they write in their profiles.   

I'd love to hear from models as to why one would even accept a FR if you have zero intention of ever working with them?  Not to say this is always the case..I'm sure models have complete intentions on working with some photogs then get a message and decide not to collaborate based on what was written...but I'm sure what I hinted at is also an occurance.

Jan 08 13 09:20 pm Link

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MelissaAnn

Posts: 3956

Seattle, Washington, US

denis071 wrote:
following your logic, not to respond sending message not that you are bussy and do not have time but that you are "too high in the clouds" to talk to normal people here at the gound.

someone can read that like: you are small person not important for my response. how narcissistic is that?

reading your responses to other MM members I see your stand: my way or highway.

You are not responding to e-mails you receive and if that's OK with you, who are we to complain about it or critisize you? If that's how you see professionalism in any business. good luck.

what people here trying to say is that in any business there must (or at least should) be some professionalism. respond to normal e-mail should be sent back. it is a matter of manners and business relations (I see modeling/photographing as mode of business mixed with pleasure (professional one), don't you?).

and none of us is that bussy not to have 3 minutes to type simple e-mail in 2 weeks time. no one.

your unrealistic high opinion about your self is stunning.

Very interesting logic.

I don't have a high opinion of myself at all.

There is no double standard here.  I don't take it personally when people don't respond to me, in fact, I usually don't give it a second thought.  I don't think I'm important enough to deserve a response from everyone, and I don't expect others to feel they are so important that they should automatically be entitled to a response from me (a perfect stranger who may have no desire to establish a relationship with them). 

See?  I wouldn't expect someone to do something that I wasn't willing to do myself, because I don't see myself as anything special.  I *don't* deserve any sort of preferential treatment, and I would never ask for it.....I just find it funny when others do.

I don't think people who choose to respond to all their messages are "wrong" (I never said that anywhere) and I'm certainly not going to try and convince them that they should start doing things my way.  I realize that my way is not the only "right" way to do things, which is why I'm not harping on the people who choose to respond to every message.  I'm simply disagreeing with the people telling me that *my* way is wrong, and those thinking it's realistic to expect a response from everyone.  Neither way is wrong.  Did you read the thread?

People should do what works for them, and stop trying to control the behavior of others.  I understand people who choose to respond to all messages, and I accept that their way of doing things may be right for them. I never said otherwise anywhere in this thread.

Jan 08 13 09:43 pm Link

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Babalon Salome

Posts: 3499

Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany

Damianne wrote:
Don't be impolite to him by being unresponsive, and you'll be rewarded with what I'm sure is a very sweet acceptance of his shoot request rejection.

My point exactly.

Also I am sure he is the loveliest human being to be around.

Jan 08 13 11:36 pm Link

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Scarlett Renee

Posts: 220

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

I have a very simple approach. I think this is the most commonly used approach here on MM - correct me if I'm wrong.

If I want to work with you, Ill respond.
If a photographer wants to work with me, they will respond.

If people don't respond to me or I dont respond to them - whether because the message was rude, too short, simply forgotten about, not enough time - the reasons really dont matter because the end result is the same - there is not a shoot happening.

I've offered to pay and still never heard back. Oh freaking well, guess they have other things to do. Move right along now, no hurt feelers.

Someone could send me the lyrics to Mary Had a Little Lamb, and if I wanted to work with them or saw potential to work with them in the future, I would respond with something.

This is MM people - at the end of the day it is a social networking site (albeit one with the potential to make us dollars). Not saying we shouldnt do our best to act professionaly, just don't take ourselves too seriously now.

Jan 08 13 11:59 pm Link

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Miser Phototgraphy

Posts: 102

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

Laura UnBound wrote:

When I dont get a response to my emails, I assume the answer is No and I move on. I prefer that over some lame attempt to not hurt my oh so precious feelings in turning me down.

So...I guess I AM treating others how I wish to be treated, and its working out pretty well for me. Thanks for the advice borat


And youre right, its absolutely not a new business model for communication at all. Its a very old one.

Go put in some random job applications at your local shopping mall. Complain how rude they are when none of the ones that dont want you call you to personally tell you that you were not accepted. None of those international chains that make millions of dollars know how to run a professional business, obviously. Its really going to damage their reputation.

I guess you missed my point completely. By rationalizing the rudeness instead of excelling beyond it.

Jan 09 13 02:35 am Link

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Jojo West

Posts: 972

Silver Spring, Maryland, US

I have a full time job, a husband, I go to school and model part time. I travel a lot for my day job and it's very demanding. Sometimes I just don't get a chance. I get sick, I get tired. Honestly, some days I just don't feel like the pleasantries, so I wait until I'm in a better state of mind.

I've had photographers get upset because I took more than one day to response. It makes me wonder if they sit at their computers or stare at their cell phones all day waiting for messages to come in so they can reply to them.

If a photographer is so impatient that a response is required immediately, I normally just move on, I don't do well with divas.

Another reason, honesty...their work wouldn't help me and they seem like they'd get angry. There are some folks that think highly of themselves. I had on photog tell me he was going to "give me the opportunity to shoot with him, TF" and I should take it because it's a great offer. His work wasn't good. So I didn't respond. An email saying "your work won't help my port" may have offended him and pulled me into back and forth emails, and I don't have time for that.

Anyway, we're all adults, we need to learn to read between the lines and also understand that not everyone has the same amount of time, and priorities are different.

Jan 09 13 07:06 am Link

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KA Style

Posts: 1583

Syracuse, New York, US

In Balance Photography wrote:
I think the erroneous thinking here is that by virtue of being a photographer one automatically has a professional relationship with a model.

I don't consider it rude to not to reply to junk mail, or calls from recruiters, or calls from telemarketers. That's because there's no relationship between them and I.

..and when a model doesn't respond to an offer, it could be very well because they think it the equivalent of junk mail. I know that can sting, but that's the reality.

This is how I feel.

Models messaging me travel dates when Ive never talked to them ever is spam IMO. If I want a model I'll cast or do my own search..

Just like castings.. its a casting there is no "call back" unless they want You, period. I reply to the ones I want that replied to my casting, I dont even open messages from the others, they dont make the cut.. I also state this in my castings. "I'll reply if I like your look"

People who get all butt hurt are just whiners. people can call me rude if they want I just tell it like it is.

Jan 09 13 07:23 am Link

Model

MelissaAnn

Posts: 3956

Seattle, Washington, US

Miser Photography wrote:
I guess you missed my point completely. By rationalizing the rudeness instead of excelling beyond it.

Oh, you mean "excelling" beyond a common business practice than many others *don't* consider rude?  Your still not grasping the *fact* , that the idea "not responding is rude" is only an *opinion.*  Your never going to get everyone to agree with your *opinion*.

So many successful people here (and elsewhere) are so "rude."  Gosh, I just don't see how all these "rude" people are becoming so successful, and I especially don't see how they can possibly not care what *you* think of their behavior.

Jan 09 13 07:31 am Link

Model

Anastazie

Posts: 33

Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden

I have over 80 unread messages in my inbox, I can't respond much to the messages given to me since I don't use this site much for work.

Jan 09 13 07:42 am Link

Model

MelissaAnn

Posts: 3956

Seattle, Washington, US

KA Style wrote:

This is how I feel.

Models messaging me travel dates when Ive never talked to them ever is spam IMO. If I want a model I'll cast or do my own search..

Just like castings.. its a casting there is no "call back" unless they want You, period. I reply to the ones I want that replied to my casting, I dont even open messages from the others, they dont make the cut.. I also state this in my castings. "I'll reply if I like your look"

People who get all butt hurt are just whiners. people can call me rude if they want I just tell it like it is.

^^^  Yes.

Jan 09 13 07:43 am Link

Model

JadeDRed

Posts: 5459

London, England, United Kingdom

291 wrote:
the no response indicates the choice of working together wasn't yours.

Ah, i think now i am beginning to see, the 'i dont want to work with models who dont answer emails as they are rude and inconsiderate, in fact i block any model who does not respond to me' rants are a way of pretending that the rejected has the control, the model has turned you down and your ego is bruised so you pretend that it is you that is rejecting the stuck up, rude model. It all makes sense, sour grapes.

(General 'you' not aimed at 291)

Jan 09 13 07:55 am Link