Forums >
General Industry >
Successful networking/fan base-building?
Alright, I know that this is a pretty lame question... please don't give me too much flack. Everyone says that the key to being a successful, paid model without agency representation is networking, networking, networking.. and building a fan base (for glamour-type models, which is the direction I've decided this week that I'm going in). The thing is, silly of me or not, I don't really understand the specifics of how to successfully network or how to build my fan base... apparently. I mean, I have a FB fan page and Twitter, I follow people I admire and would like to work with, and so on. If you're in a good mood this evening/afternoon/morning, would anyone be able to give me a little bit of a heads-up as to what I'm doing wrong, or, since this isn't the critique section and that might not be acceptable, how to do these things successfully? I'd really appreciate it. Thanks in advance! Feb 01 13 11:30 am Link For fan building via social networks, I suggest google plus. Make an account and play around with it - its far better than facebook these days if you can use it right, which I really cant properly explain. The interaction is better and google keeps amping it up by adding communities and the like. I feel like google plus is what happens when tumblr and facebook have babies who take steroids. People shy away from it though because it can be a bit daunting to use at first. You cant just make a profile and let it sit. It really requires you to *use* it, but if you do I promise you'll love it! Feb 01 13 11:40 am Link Hm, thanks so much! So... I take it that if I have a Gmail account (I do), I basically already "signed up," and I just need to figure it out from there? How, then, do I actually find people from there? Is it pretty self-explanatory? I just don't understand how I'm doing everything that people say you're supposed to do (following/liking people you want to work with, schmoozing up to them in comments and whatnot, etc.), but it's just not working.... And any idea about fan bases? I have a bunch of friends and 2-3 REALLY enthusiastic guys as a fan base so far... thoughts? Thanks again! Edit: Oops! That *was* about fan bases! I guess, then, what I should have asked at the end was "what about getting paid work and published, beyond submissions?" Feb 01 13 11:49 am Link There's "passive" and "active" networking. Examples of "passive" networking: creating a Facebook page, creating an MM profile, creating a blog, creating a Twitter account. What do these things have in common? You are expecting your audience to find you. "Active" networking means that you are going out & finding your audience. Some examples: ... Use the "browse" menu feature above, find like-minded local photographers and inviting them out for a cup of coffee. ... Having a business card that you can leave with every industry contact you meet. ... Volunteering at events where you are likely to meet photographers & other models. ... Becoming a resource to your local community. For example: compile a list of available locations; compile & share a list of available people & resources; announce the plans of industry people traveling to your area; share places where industry folk can find interesting costumes & wardrobe; etc. ... And so on. Be creative & be patient. Some notes: ... Network locally; I'm half a world away & am not likely to hire you. ... You are not really networking if you are sitting at home on your computer. Feb 01 13 11:51 am Link My biggest fan base comes from Deviant Art, I have photographers in america asking if i ever travel overseas for paid work. definitely a good place to network amongst other artists Feb 01 13 11:57 am Link This topic would make for a fantastic article written by Chris (Sophistocles) or someone else who really knows their stuff when it comes to getting page hits, high search engine rankings, etc. OP, you have less than 1000 forum posts over almost 5 years on MM. When I started posting regularly in the forums, my page hits, tags, comments, etc increased substantially. Feb 01 13 12:36 pm Link Wow, thanks for all the advice, everyone! I agree that it would be phenomenal to read an article on this by someone in-the-know... maybe we can petition? Meanwhile, I'm considering DeviantArt, and have started up my Google+ (Shameless self-promotion: https://plus.google.com/102697110385406057397/posts ). Looknsee, your information has been so helpful to me already; it really is finally starting to make sense. Those are the kinds of answers I'm looking for. I'm going to do business cards, ask my boyfriend (a photographer) to help me get into events in the area and so on, and will likely be signing up for a local version of MM. You guys rock. Meanwhile, more info is better, for me and for others who will later search this, so by all means, MM, please keep on posting. Feb 01 13 01:53 pm Link Rachel-Elise wrote: https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thre … st17982511 Feb 01 13 01:56 pm Link Oh trust me, I know that! I'm just really interested to hear how others have succeeded in this area... hopefully we can get someone to tell us officially! Oh, and THANK YOU for asking!!! Feb 01 13 02:10 pm Link Rachel-Elise wrote: You decided to be a glamour model THIS WEEK. You haven't yet decided the details of what you're willing to shoot. It's not overly surprising that you don't have crowds of people seeking to shoot you yet. Feb 01 13 02:45 pm Link Art of the nude wrote: xD Feb 01 13 03:00 pm Link Most of my fans come from Zivity, and then DeviantArt, and then a couple from my FB page. The real key with fans is interacting with them, and unfortunately, that can take a lot of time. When I was doing the best with fans and making the most on Zivity via my fan base, I was spending a minimum of two hours a day networking on that site alone. It also means updating statuses and sharing new photos quite often. Statuses need to be updated daily if not multiple times a day with relevant things (not just "I went to the grocery store"). New photos should be shared a couple times a week at least in my experience. And they do not have to be high quality. Even just fun and sexy Instagram shots can do it. It also helps to figure out what your strengths are or why people might want to be your fan. Some examples might be: tattoos, long hair, brightly colored hair, large or small breasts, pubic hair, certain types of wardrobe like latex, fetish wear, etc, awesome make-up skills, feet, etc. For example, in my case I have a base of fans centered around my long hair, a few who really like my pubic hair, then some who like my bum, and also some who really like my style of posing, and a good many who love the fact that I take photos, especially nude photos, of myself. I stay connected with my fans and send them goodies too, usually if they buy me something from my wishlist or vote for me on Zivity (which pays me according to those votes). Right now I have a little stack of thank you cards and two packages waiting to be shipped to fans tomorrow. I always send hand embellished thank you cards with a handwritten note. This time the cards have little koi fish made of fancy cardstock paper in them. One time I sent out little paper lotus flowers with a little piece of prose about what the lotus means to me. I also shoot exclusive sets for my fans, and so on. Obviously, following what I do exactly is not going to work for any one else most likely, but those are just examples of how I stay connected. Feb 01 13 09:08 pm Link If you want to get a huge fan base and keep them coming back for more, you will want to keep your portfolio/facebook updated with new high quality work. This will most certainly include searching out talented photographers and doing trade work to keep a constant stream of new images being posted. This will get paying clients excited to hire you. Feb 01 13 09:27 pm Link Thanks, everyone, for the continuous flow of ideas! I appreciate it so much. Feb 02 13 09:52 am Link Dekilah wrote: Yeah, that's another thing I was wondering about. I do have a small handful of fans who I don't know in real life, and while most of them are pretty chillax, I do have one guy in particular who likes to, I don't know... try to chat with me all day on Facebook, and so on. He tried to get my phone number (via asking if I have a "Whatsapp"). Obviously, I didn't give it to him. (I said I didn't have "Whatsapp.") I love the idea of networking with fans, but I'm wondering how much is too much (like, if this guy visited my area, I'd be surprised if he DIDN'T try and meet up with me while here), and what the best way is to nip it in the bud. (I understand that he's probably just enthusiastic, but I do know that there will be really weird ones in the future.) Feb 02 13 09:59 am Link Facebook, website, blog, Tumblr, Twitter, Instagram, MM forums... You need to use them all like the worst social network whore you can imagine, and then some! Just my $0.02 Ciao Stefano www.stefanobrunesci.com Feb 02 13 10:15 am Link Rachel-Elise wrote: Networking is about creating and maintaining business connections. You have to do your homework, and find the people and places where you can meet these people. The internet is fine, and large fanbases sound great, but if few of those fans are in your area, or likely to hire you, then you won't have any revenue. Rachel-Elise wrote: You really didn't provide a lot of detail regarding what you are actually doing, but if you are doing some of the following, then you are on the right track: Feb 02 13 10:44 am Link -B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote: Holy crap. I'm gonna need a manager! xD Feb 02 13 10:46 am Link MnPhoto wrote: Rachel-Elise wrote: Networking is about creating and maintaining business connections. You have to do your homework, and find the people and places where you can meet these people. The internet is fine, and large fanbases sound great, but if few of those fans are in your area, or likely to hire you, then you won't have any revenue. The business connections thing is something I really have to work on. I am, and always have been, reliable, and of course I always bring my "model bag" full of emergency stuff. Feb 02 13 02:14 pm Link Twitter... It's all about guys sharing your pics with their friends. There's #tittytuesday, #asswednesday, #thongthursday then Playboy has #friskyfriday and of course #sexysaturday and #sexysunday. You'll need alot more pics and it seems that guys love self pics the most. Also share some personal video via Mobypicture or Keek... You have to stay active and interactive with your followers. Feb 02 13 02:29 pm Link Rachel-Elise wrote: You cannot please everyone. And you have to figure out your line and draw it. I purposely only share my fan page with my fans, not my profile. Occasionally they will find me, and that is fine. I add the ones I know a bit who are okay, and just ignore the others. If anyone every asked me about it I would just tell them that I prefer to keep my modeling stuff on my fan page and use my other page for more local stuff and that I keep them separate so I do not get confused. In the case of your situation, I would just say that you prefer talking online and that you really do not use your phone much or something. In my case I can definitely say that truthfully because I rarely use my phone to talk on it. Feb 02 13 08:24 pm Link i think the old-fashioned way still works. look for opportunities to get out into the world and meet people. let everyone know you are a model looking for work. volunteer for things (or buy your way into things) where potential clients might hang out. things like workshops and meet&greets can put you in touch with some photographers. it's all about who you know. but you have to know the right people. who are the movers and shakers that can get you work? some of my zivity models have wishlists and their fans buy them stuff. kind of like a virtual strip club. Feb 02 13 08:28 pm Link Looknsee Photography wrote: This is my next Facebook status Feb 02 13 08:40 pm Link Dekilah wrote: How much do I love you? You are so awesome. Next time I'm in MI, I might look you up for a coffee, if you don't mind and aren't busy. *creeper fan alert* Feb 02 13 11:45 pm Link A few tips to boost networking and fan support: 1) Get a unique name. Get a website with your unique name that forwards to your FB page. 2) Label all your photos on the web with your name 3) Work with the best photographers to get great images on a regular basis. Post images at least twice a month, even if they are reposts of older images. 4) Make a list of 20 top photographers around the world and make it a priority to contact them and arrange shoots. These people will also be a conduit to getting published. 5) Make friends and trade FB likes with other top glamour models around the world. 6) There are 500+ glamour girls websites and contests around the world-get your photos on them as often as possible. 7) Offer signed photos and other gifts for fans to purchase. 8) Investigate your options for Playboy, Page 3, Zoo, FHM, and Maxim publication. 9) Plan trips to Europe and the US to work with the right photographers and magazines. 10) There are web companies that will boost your likes and fans for a fee. Use these services in moderation to boost the perception of your fame. 11) Work with a video team to do a model feature or BTS video that will highlight your personality, successes, portfolio, and social media. Good Luck- Scott Feb 03 13 07:50 am Link Loki Studio wrote: Thanks! By the way, I have family in your area! Feb 03 13 08:33 am Link twoharts wrote: lol Feb 03 13 08:35 am Link Rachel-Elise wrote: We are all in the same business - making viral photos. Feb 03 13 06:51 pm Link MC Photo wrote: LOVE. Feb 04 13 03:12 am Link |