Generasean Photography wrote:
I know there are a couple other forum posts about boyfriends and husbands being escorts, or models specifically saying that they have a boyfriend (in their bio/ad), but I've come across a couple models who say their boyfriend or husband is also a photographer, so they demand crazy things.

Anyone else have an encounter like that? How do you deal with it? I mean I've even shot with models who took photography class in school and tried to make me shoot a certain way (let me do my thing!) but models who say something along the lines of
"Don't try to _________ with me" or
"I expect a certain level of professionalism during the shoot" or
"I want to be shot like ____________ and paid $_______" and "by the way, I know the ins and outs because my boyfriend/husband is also a photographer"

I hope this makes sense, thanks!

Red flags and I move on.  I personally don't like the whole my boyfriend is an escort thing especially in my case where I only shoot in public places.  If their husband or boyfriend was a great photographer, what would they need you for?  There's a lot of wacky people online.  If someone sounds like a pain in the ass to me, the conversation doesn't go far.

Generasean Photography wrote:
I know there are a couple other forum posts about boyfriends and husbands being escorts, or models specifically saying that they have a boyfriend (in their bio/ad), but I've come across a couple models who say their boyfriend or husband is also a photographer, so they demand crazy things.

Anyone else have an encounter like that? How do you deal with it? I mean I've even shot with models who took photography class in school and tried to make me shoot a certain way (let me do my thing!) but models who say something along the lines of
"Don't try to _________ with me" or
"I expect a certain level of professionalism during the shoot" or
"I want to be shot like ____________ and paid $_______" and "by the way, I know the ins and outs because my boyfriend/husband is also a photographer"

I hope this makes sense, thanks!

No, not a lot of sense, as in -- I'm not sure what you are asking of us. 

So, I'll just ramble for a bit...

...  A model has the right to ask for whatever terms & conditions she wants.

...  A photographer has the right to accept, decline, or make a counter offer.

...  For me, defensive profiles (as in "I expect a certain level of professionalism
     during the shoot" (and your other examples) is a minor turn-off.  I believe
     that the objective of our profiles is to make a good, positive first impression,
     thereby initiating further dialog (during which terms & conditions can be
     discussed).

...  I check references before I contact a model, and I expect models to do the
     same thing for me.  I am happy with any model checking me out by talking with
     any model who has worked with me, and I do believe that each of these models
     would say nice things about my conduct.  (They might not like the picture we
     made, but they will say that they were treated well & with respect during our
     time together).

...  I don't need extraneous info in a profile.  I don't care if a model has a boyfriend,
     is married, has a degree in geography, or what-have-you.  I only need to get a
     sense about what the model looks like, how she moves, and whether she is
     reliable & experienced & professional.

My bottom line:  A model's profile is her business & not mine, and unless a model asks me for feedback on her profile, I just accept it as is.  I don't pass judgment on models with unusual terms or conditions -- I'm only concerned whether I want to accept the proposed terms.

A famous music executive once told me that sometimes, the best deal you can make is to walk away.  There's no shame in saying, "no, thank you".

Top Gun Digital wrote:
If there is drama before the shoot there will be more drama during the shoot.  Next model please.

+1

Really that simple.

Generasean Photography wrote:
Thanks for the replies! Some I can fortunately avoid because they mention it before a shoot. Others, it happens during the shoot and hits me by surprise. Though it seems like everyone can be a "photographer" these days as long as they have a DSLR. For all I know, I could probably fall into this category in the eyes of the professionals here

I'm a very easy going person and never had that problem come up at a shoot.  I like all details ironed out before the shoot.  I definitely don't like surprises and will not change the deal of a shoot on the spot.

Generasean Photography wrote:
I know there are a couple other forum posts about boyfriends and husbands being escorts, or models specifically saying that they have a boyfriend (in their bio/ad), but I've come across a couple models who say their boyfriend or husband is also a photographer, so they demand crazy things.

Anyone else have an encounter like that? How do you deal with it? I mean I've even shot with models who took photography class in school and tried to make me shoot a certain way (let me do my thing!) but models who say something along the lines of
"Don't try to _________ with me" or
"I expect a certain level of professionalism during the shoot" or
"I want to be shot like ____________ and paid $_______" and "by the way, I know the ins and outs because my boyfriend/husband is also a photographer"

I hope this makes sense, thanks!

yeah, it's called "pass."

"Don't try to _________ with me" or
(Good photography requires cooperation and trust)

"I expect a certain level of professionalism during the shoot" or
(Trying to indicate that you are not professional, she is)

"I want to be shot like ____________ and paid $_______" and "by the way, I know
(She wants you to pay her, but shoot what she wants, Obviously, she'll expect
edited images from a pay shoot)

the ins and outs because my boyfriend/husband is also a photographer"
(Here she proves that she's not the professional that she indicated she was
above, and shows that she doesn't understand photography by indicating that you need another photographers help.)

I hope this makes sense, thanks!
(Here she tries to justify the unjustifiable).

I believe in the three strike rule. There's already four strikes here.
It looks like to me that you'll get a demanding, un-cooperating, unprofessional
diva that you have to pay and give free images to. If that appeals to you, hire her.

Gloria Budiman wrote:
A bondage model once brought her husband to my shoot.

Me: 'Could you look at your husband, and give some erotic expression?'

It worked charm.

Dekilah wrote:
I have been doing this for a while now and I have done a lot of shoots, but the biggest thing I know to be true is that I need to always be professional and polite. I am there to model and sometimes to collaborate, but I am not there to run the show or be demanding or act as if I know everything about everything. I think most professional-acting models, even those who model as a hobby feel similarly.

Wolfy4u wrote:

I believe in the three strike rule. There's already four strikes here.
It looks like to me that you'll get a demanding, un-cooperating, unprofessional
diva that you have to pay and give free images to. If that appeals to you, hire her.

I use the one strike rule. Fool me once...Shame on you! Fool me twice...Shame on me!

Dekilah wrote:
And I have also had people try to sell me some nonsense like "Oh, you should be a fashion model!" or "Have you talked to agencies?"

Surely you believed them on this.  We all know that there is a huge untapped market for fashion models under 5'. 

M A U I wrote:
People who waste their time criticising conditions of other people that don't fit them makes them look unprofessional.

Very true! And yet... 90% of the comments on these forums are just that.

Generasean Photography wrote:
"by the way, I know the ins and outs because my boyfriend/husband is also a photographer"

This kind of attitude is so classless. Things like this make me wonder about the human race. Why waste such a passive-aggressive threat in such an idle fashion?

The closest I would ever get to anything that's been discussed in the initial post is that yes, my boyfriend is a photographer, and, since in Israel it's deemed acceptable to bring the entire family to a shoot (yes, even professional ones), I sometimes offer to bring him as photographer's assistant, if he would be interested and the photographer seems to be as well. It's something that most photographers actually really appreciate--here--and if they don't, it's no biggie.

Escort, though? Come on. Grow up.

Generasean Photography wrote:
I know there are a couple other forum posts about boyfriends and husbands being escorts, or models specifically saying that they have a boyfriend (in their bio/ad), but I've come across a couple models who say their boyfriend or husband is also a photographer, so they demand crazy things.

Anyone else have an encounter like that? How do you deal with it? I mean I've even shot with models who took photography class in school and tried to make me shoot a certain way (let me do my thing!) but models who say something along the lines of
"Don't try to _________ with me" or
"I expect a certain level of professionalism during the shoot" or
"I want to be shot like ____________ and paid $_______" and "by the way, I know the ins and outs because my boyfriend/husband is also a photographer"

I hope this makes sense, thanks!

The first seems more than a bit confrontational, though perhaps the model just had some bad experience that they're trying to avoid repeating.  However, the fact that the model doesn't seem to care about coming across as confrontation may itself be a deal-breaker.

The second just goes without saying....or at least it should.  I think what they're mainly trying to imply with that line is, "Don't try to grab my boobs or anything!"

The third....fuck that.  My style and taste are what they are.  I'll ask a model if she wants to do fashion, lingerie, nudes, etc...but that's it.  Not a huge fan of the models who will show you other photos and demand that they want the photos I take to look like that.  Creativity doesn't work that way and the fact that the model is completely unaware of that obvious fact indicates to me that they're not very bright.  I mean, you wouldn't demand that a romance writer do a horror novel or that a caricature artist do cubism.

R Byron Johnson wrote:

The first seems more than a bit confrontational, though perhaps the model just had some bad experience that they're trying to avoid repeating.  However, the fact that the model doesn't seem to care about coming across as confrontation may itself be a deal-breaker.

The second just goes without saying....or at least it should.  I think what they're mainly trying to imply with that line is, "Don't try to grab my boobs or anything!"

The third....fuck that.  My style and taste are what they are.  I'll ask a model if she wants to do fashion, lingerie, nudes, etc...but that's it.  Not a huge fan of the models who will show you other photos and demand that they want the photos I take to look like that.  Creativity doesn't work that way and the fact that the model is completely unaware of that obvious fact indicates to me that they're not very bright.  I mean, you wouldn't demand that a romance writer do a horror novel or that a caricature artist do cubism.

Not a big fan of the whole "I want a photo like this..." thing.  If you want something uncreative, get your pictures done at Wal Mart or Sears.  There's nothing less creative in my mind than intentionally trying to copy someone else's work.

Generasean Photography wrote:
I've come across a couple llamas who say their boyfriend or husband is also a photographer, so they demand crazy things.

The underlined is all that matters - they demand crazy things.  Work with the ones that don't demand crazy things. 

photographers/escorts/husbands/etc are irrelevant - I've worked successfully with boyfriends/husbands/escorts.

But none had hostile crazy things in their communications and terms.

Christinare wrote:

Very true! And yet... 90% of the comments on these forums are just that.

There's nothing unprofessional about someone ranting about something in general in a forum.  That's what people do.  I think it's only unprofessional if you use it to attack a specific person.  Sure anyone can ask for whatever conditions they want from a shoot, but their conditions are often not professional in nature.