|
Forums >
Off-Topic Discussion >
Craft Beer Migration?
In a move likely related to the presence and possible sustainment of drought conditions in California, several of the larger craft breweries have established expansion facilities in parts of the country where multi-year droughts are less likely. Stone has announced a new facility to be built in Richmond, VA - http://blog.stonebrewing.com/index.php/ … -richmond/ Lagunitas has a new facility in Chicago - https://lagunitas.com/tag/chicago/ Green Flash -- also Virginia - http://www.greenflashbrew.com/virginia-beach/ Sierra Nevada - Ashville, NC - http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sierra … 2014-11-21 Others?? Though not Cali, a few Colorado brews either moved or built plants in the east as well Flying Dog moved from Denver to Fredrick MD, and Oscar Blues has a facility in North Carolina. New Belgium is also in North Carolina. I've heard rumors that California legislators might seek to cap craft beer production at a certain level if the drought gets worse -- guess exporting what is 99% water during a drought is a bad thing. Mar 15 15 10:30 am Link We have many craft beers here already. Mar 15 15 10:38 am Link once again, this state has no long term plan for managing its water resources. they'll inevitably institute some 'emergency' water rationing measures, that will focus on the wrong usage. it isn't people watering their lawns that is the problem. the bulk of california's water use is centered in the (huge) central valley. and there are a few crops that use up most of the water. the thing is, it's the feed for animals that is draining the most water. until a long term crop assessment is done, this scenario will continue, and get far worse. meanwhile, all the bozos up in sacramento just cross their fingers, and run around the capital doing a rain dance. meanwhile, the snowpack from this winter has been the lowest ever recorded. get ready for a $500.00 ticket for washing your car. it's coming. Mar 15 15 10:53 am Link Interesting. I know the local lake nearby feeds about 3-4 power stations with the outflow and it is pretty well dried up now. I got a bad feeling utility bills are going to skyrocket if hydro gets cutback and the closing of the nuclear plants too. Bad enough they already are $500/mo. here, but was told it is going to $550/mo. soon. I think the state gave cities the ability to hand out $500 fines for water waste too. Can't wash vehicles in driveways here either. We got a notice about having standing gutter water too. City has been replacing some grass medians with Astroturf. I tried that in a small spot, but the feral cats shredded mine in no time. Then they'll poop on the newly discovered dirt they find under it. Can't win. They probably should nix the bullet train idea (What was wrong with Amtrak?) and build a cross-country aqueduct to get rid of the east's snow and flood waters. Some local farm fields look pretty sad. Yet they keep building houses like mad around here. Dunno... Did a sponge bath of the car during one 'rain storm' (Oxymoron 'round here!) and let it rain on it and wash the soap off. Actually, it came out pretty good and no calcium water spots either. Mar 15 15 10:54 am Link Good craft beer companies might be the new "Starbucks" for the decade to come. I can see them setting up mini-pubs and kiosks everywhere. Beer related Starbucks-style bites to eat would fold in nicely - boutique sandwiches, designer cheese & cracker mini platters, healthy sausage sliver salads, etc., etc., etc. Airport terminals, franchises in asia and other vibrant economies, college campuses, tshirts, souvenir beer glasses, baseball caps, take out jugs of beer made of brown or green glass with a ring on the neck, wrapped in recycled biodegradable brown paper, etc. Earth-friendly stylish craft beer drinking at it's finest. Successful and popular craft beer companies growing into mass production and distribution with outlets nation-wide and world-wide while retaining their local craft beer imagery and charm makes sense to me. Mar 15 15 10:57 am Link Opening up of remote production facilities is a brand new thing in the American Craft beer movement. Historically all brewing was done under one roof and one brewmaster, or at worst at one 'pilot' brewery and one 'production' brewery. None of the real craft breweries has had a second production facility until recently. This has nothing to do with availability of beer within a state. None of these new plants is needed to open new markets. Yes, they will benefit from reduced shipping costs and poss market share growth, but neither of these factors was the real driver in the expansions, IMO. Mar 15 15 10:59 am Link Click Hamilton wrote: done in Mar 15 15 11:04 am Link I think beer and liquor are more affected by sin taxes and local and state laws. Here in the Philippines we had a sin tax and doubled the price of our local brews. Now a local beer is about a dollar. How the hell is a budweiser $6 in CA? It isn't 6 times better. I heard it is mostly taxes that make the prices of liquor so high in the USA. Ouch! A night of drinking here in the Philippines is $15 for a couple to go out to a nice place for dinner and have a few beers too. Mar 15 15 06:15 pm Link martin b wrote: i believe the bud you get in the phillipines is a contract brew. it's made by one of the bigger brewers there (asia brewing, i believe). Mar 15 15 06:22 pm Link martin b wrote: budweiser is not a craft beer. I would say it's not even a beer. Mar 15 15 06:27 pm Link scrymettet wrote:
Mar 15 15 07:09 pm Link the household income here is $700 per month. In the USA I think it is $2800 per month. But here there is usually two or three breadwinners. Most people make around $300. Budweiser here costs $6. same as USA. only foreigners drink it. The Average teacher here makes about $400 per month. The average teacher in Ca makes $8000 per month. With benefits the average teacher in Ca makes $15,000 per month. Everyone here dreams of being a Ca teacher. I just used teacher as an average joe job. i think it is well paid though in Los Angeles. I just know the salary because many school teachers retire here and I am amazed at their pensions. Mar 15 15 07:15 pm Link Asheville, NC is my hometown. My family and closest friends still live there. They are all excited about these breweries coming to town, because that area has a very high cost of living, compared to other parts of the Southeast, and few job opportunities - the primary reason I left in 2008. My friend (and former boss; the company we worked for went out of business in 2009) went to a job fair recently, hoping to submit her resume to New Belgium, I think it was. She said there were probably 100 people already in line at the brewery jobs tables early in the morning. Most of the younger people I know who stayed there are desperate for work, and see a lot of hope in this. Mar 15 15 07:17 pm Link Koryn wrote: nc is also a right to work state. that's probably why a lot of these companies would expand there. i hope your friend gets hired. Mar 15 15 08:48 pm Link Robb Mann wrote: Don't know about the others, but for New Belgium, it's an expansion, not a migration. Their size operation makes it tough for distribution, particularly out east. Mar 15 15 10:58 pm Link Justin wrote: Flying Dog is the only large Craft brewery I know of that actually moved, everyone else is an expansion. But 'expansion' itself is a new phenomenon in the craft beer world, regardless of the reason for it. Prior to these expansions all craft breweries brewed out of a single location for production work. It's a move towards a more 'mass beer' distribution model. Mar 16 15 02:22 am Link Those plans to open facilities on the east coast were in the works long before the drought became a serious issue. It only makes sense to expand and increase sales. Stone is also opening a facility in Europe. Mar 16 15 04:06 am Link martin b wrote: thank you for the answer. Mar 16 15 01:20 pm Link I'm thirsty. Mar 16 15 02:34 pm Link GK photo wrote: ????????????????? Mar 16 15 02:38 pm Link Click Hamilton wrote: if you like red ale , you are welcome to stop by Mar 16 15 02:39 pm Link The Sierra Nevada Brewery is about a mile from my house. I've had the pleasure of chatting with management. They already have world wide distribution. I've seen the european kegs (different than US keg configuration) stacked up in the loading dock. The reason they built the new brewery in North Carolina was to reduce shipping costs to the east coast. Beer is heavy, and shipping gets expensive. I suspect there may be other reasons as well such as the opportunity to offer more varieties. The problem with having a second brewery is consistency. They said it's very difficult to produce an identical product at another location due to slight differences in equipment and water minerals. Just in case you were wondering, Sierra Nevada Beer is made from filtered local tap water. They won't use reverse osmosis since it wastes too much water. Mar 21 15 07:59 am Link scrymettet wrote: Google is your friend: Mar 21 15 08:41 am Link |
