Skydancer Photos wrote:

I am really close to posting the "most offensive flag ever created" that is the top internet meme right now


But I will let someone else...

Chris Rifkin wrote:
I am really close to posting the "most offensive flag ever created" that is the top internet meme right now

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what flag? the nazi flag? why would you associate an offensive flag with this thread? I don't follow

Chris Rifkin wrote:
This one was a slam dunk no brainer ruling

I would agree.  However, the court rule with a 5-4 ruling.  It was surprisingly close.

Gryph wrote:
Now they can all enjoy the benefits of marriage and then downfall of a divorce.

I am not that pessamistic. I forgot though that divorce is big in the USA.  It is still rare here in the Philippines.  Maybe we will take a note from the USA about that.

martin b wrote:

I am not that pessamistic. I forgot though that divorce is big in the USA.  It is still rare here in the Philippines.  Maybe we will take a note from the USA about that.

I hear your country is predominantly Catholic, so maybe religious ties is what binds people to stay married.

Jim Ball wrote:
This thread should bring out the MM homophobes!  Yay for SCOTUS for having enough spine to vote for equality!

I am not Gay, But my Boyfriend is.

Jay Dezelic wrote:
It is unfortunate that so many see the destruction of state's rights to be celebrated.  The long term effects of creating precedence that fundamentally changes our constitutional process will do more to equally take freedom from everyone.  On the other hand, when a small minority rides roughshod on a larger population, it usually doesn't end well because it does nothing to reduce the back pressure of mainstream society. 

I have always been 100% against any kind of discrimination and believe everyone should be able to live the way they want within a civil society.  However, I believe the Supreme Court has gone of the reservation to the determent of the people because they seem to be making rulings that shred the constitution where previously, only elected officials in congress had that authority.

Be careful what you party for.

Party Pooper!

Jay Dezelic wrote:
It is unfortunate that so many see the destruction of state's rights to be celebrated.  The long term effects of creating precedence that fundamentally changes our constitutional process will do more to equally take freedom from everyone.  On the other hand, when a small minority rides roughshod on a larger population, it usually doesn't end well because it does nothing to reduce the back pressure of mainstream society. 

I have always been 100% against any kind of discrimination and believe everyone should be able to live the way they want within a civil society.  However, I believe the Supreme Court has gone of the reservation to the determent of the people because they seem to be making rulings that shred the constitution where previously, only elected officials in congress had that authority.

Be careful what you party for.

Upholding the 14th amendment now equates to shredding the constitution?

It's up is down day on Modelmayhem again!

Yay!

Jay Dezelic wrote:
It is unfortunate that so many see the destruction of state's rights to be celebrated.  The long term effects of creating precedence that fundamentally changes our constitutional process will do more to equally take freedom from everyone.  On the other hand, when a small minority rides roughshod on a larger population, it usually doesn't end well because it does nothing to reduce the back pressure of mainstream society. 

I have always been 100% against any kind of discrimination and believe everyone should be able to live the way they want within a civil society.  However, I believe the Supreme Court has gone of the reservation to the determent of the people because they seem to be making rulings that shred the constitution where previously, only elected officials in congress had that authority.

Be careful what you party for.

"Loss of States Rights" brought about an end to slavery...and lots of other social injustices.  This is just one more strike against bigotry & prejudice hiding behind the guise of "States Rights."

Jim Ball wrote:

"Loss of States Rights" brought about an end to slavery...and lots of other social injustices.  This is just one more strike against bigotry & prejudice hiding behind the guise of "States Rights."

A state's right to deny rights to the citizens of the USA died in the summer of 1868.  It just took a while for people to catch on is all.

DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:

Party Pooper!

Sorry.  It's great that some people have achieved more freedom. However, the end does not justify the means because every citizen has just lost voting power over congress in the process.   We might as well just appoint an imperial king/queen and be done with it.   Ask yourself what will happen if the gay agenda falls out of favor with future dynasties?

A real win for the LGBT community would have been if the people of each state independently supported the legislation. Over time, it probably would have happened.  But now, precedence has been set to pave the way for other unrelated issues. Maybe in a few years the Supreme Court will be deciding on things like the national application of Sharia Law?  That would be a major setback for LGBT people.

Jim Ball wrote:

"Loss of States Rights" brought about an end to slavery...and lots of other social injustices.  This is just one more strike against bigotry & prejudice hiding behind the guise of "States Rights."

No.  The people of individual states, led by abolitionists, put an end to slavery.  If gay marriage was not previously adopted by any state, do you think it could have been possible to make a federal case to the Supreme Court? Never.

Don Garrett wrote:
Everyone should mind their own business. It should have been taken for granted a long time ago. Of course, the wingnuts will complain that it will destroy their life, and the whole structure of society - they worry so much about everyone else's business.
-Don

+1

What Fun Productions wrote:
The group happiest about the ruling?

Divorce lawyers, they just doubled their potential client base.

What Fun Productions wrote:
The group happiest about the ruling?

Divorce lawyers, they just doubled their potential client base.

And wedding photographers, wedding ring manufacturers, and giving gay comics much more material to use.

martin b wrote:
I just figured it out.  It will probably end up here in the Philippines.  We tend to follow American law.  I wonder if marriage to 4 women will be allowed soon.  Muslims are allowed here to get 4 wives.

Hopefully polygamists will be free of stigma and persecution soon.

Would be hypocritical otherwise.

Jay Dezelic wrote:
But now, precedence has been set to pave the way for other unrelated issues. Maybe in a few years the Supreme Court will be deciding on things like the national application of Sharia Law?  That would be a major setback for LGBT people.

I don't think you understand half of what you're on about, in particular Sharia Law but, also in general.

DEP E510 wrote:

Hopefully polygamists will be free of stigma and persecution soon.

Would be hypocritical otherwise.

Personally, I've always thought that any two or more consenting adults should be able to form a legal marriage.

The operative words being consenting and adults.

Jay Dezelic wrote:

Sorry.  It's great that some people have achieved more freedom. However, the end does not justify the means because every citizen has just lost voting power over congress in the process.   We might as well just appoint an imperial king/queen and be done with it.   Ask yourself what will happen if the gay agenda falls out of favor with future dynasties?

A real win for the LGBT community would have been if the people of each state independently supported the legislation. Over time, it probably would have happened.  But now, precedence has been set to pave the way for other unrelated issues. Maybe in a few years the Supreme Court will be deciding on things like the national application of Sharia Law?  That would be a major setback for LGBT people.

You know you're just making up flights of fancy now.. right?

Toto Photo wrote:
I will never forget this week, two landmark rulings. I'm so happy to be alive to have seen them both come to pass. Amazing!

Being the cynic I am, I do not forget the timing.

Fast-tracking TPP, then follow with gay rights.

Politicians ain't slick...

Jay Dezelic wrote:
Sorry.  It's great that some people have achieved more freedom. However, the end does not justify the means because every citizen has just lost voting power over congress in the process.   We might as well just appoint an imperial king/queen and be done with it.   Ask yourself what will happen if the gay agenda falls out of favor with future dynasties?

A real win for the LGBT community would have been if the people of each state independently supported the legislation. Over time, it probably would have happened.  But now, precedence has been set to pave the way for other unrelated issues. Maybe in a few years the Supreme Court will be deciding on things like the national application of Sharia Law?  That would be a major setback for LGBT people.

Except they tried that in several states, where they voted and the majority voted in favor of marriage equality, and despite the majority being ok with it, those equal rights were held hostage by a group of people that have interpreted the law to suit their own agenda. A group that has turned freedom of religion into "freedom to discriminate and make laws based on one religion". The SCOTUS decision has done was the states failed to do, bring marriage equality to people of all sexual orientations. It's a no brainer, something we shouldn't have even had to vote on, but did. I wonder if you felt the same reservations when SCOTUS ruled on Citizens United. We win some, we lose some, today we won.