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Is My City Manager Overpaid?
Jul 12 15 04:54 pm Link My opinion on all public officials in general: over-compensated and underworked. Jul 12 15 04:59 pm Link No, I have seen that position earn far more. 329k a yr is about 70k in taxes up here, so one could argue they pay their share. It takes trumendous amounts of stress and abilities to do the be a SAO of a city. That said I think there are far more income inequality examples in the usa than in canada. Your trades and nursing professions are pathetically paid in comparison to ours, for example. Jul 12 15 05:05 pm Link I'd almost say you need to pay him more. Perhaps double. One of the last people in that position took a job with a developer -- a clear conflict of interest. If the position pays enough to make cozying up to developers unnecessary, then perhaps they can do some good. Jul 12 15 05:09 pm Link 'If the position pays enough to make cozying up to developers'. My city is being over developed. And many city workers make 100k-300k. So paying more = ethical or good behavior? Jul 12 15 08:35 pm Link Is my plumber over paid? Jul 12 15 08:38 pm Link You would have to tell me what he is paid and is he 'worth it'. Jul 12 15 09:57 pm Link I've seen CEOs of $10 million operations make twice as much as a city manager of a $400 million budget and 150,000 citizens. In this country, worth is determined by what you can get. Jul 13 15 01:36 am Link Justin wrote: No, in the private sector, worth is determined by what value you bring to the bottom line. In government, it's determined by how much can convince someone to pay you for as long as they realize you're full of shit and then have to go find someone else to do the job for the same amount of money. Jul 13 15 06:52 am Link Solas wrote: A quick check seems to indicate that nurses are paid quite a bit more in the US than in Canada. Jul 13 15 07:39 am Link Yes. Not to mention all the benefits and guaranteed annual raises he will get as well. Travel will be a big one on his expense account, and he gets a special finance rate on his house (3%), and sundry benefits like a secretary or understudy who will field all his work/calls. His retirement pension will be pretty hefty too. If he screws up, they'll likely have to give him a huge Golden Handshake to get rid of him too. Time for your city taxes to go up. Someone has to pay for this. These aren't private company CEO's playing off investors. Jul 13 15 08:05 am Link Shot By Adam wrote: Two words: golden parachute. Jul 13 15 08:20 am Link Lightcraft Studio wrote: Your information is off, unless you are consulting averages on statistic sites which are most definitely not representative of reality... (or are looking at Quebec which is arguably the worst model in the country as they are basically a country within a country and not entirely all representative of canada Jul 13 15 09:51 am Link Solas wrote: I looked at some ranges on a few sites, and the ranges and medians seemed to show a bit higher in the US vs Canada (after adjusting for the currency difference). But, your couple of anecdotal cases might be a more accurate measure than the nursing sites I looked at... I don't want to sidetrack the discussion though. Jul 13 15 10:03 am Link Lightcraft Studio wrote: lol, typical forum response. Jul 13 15 10:12 am Link Solas wrote: If you know thousands of nurses (and their salaries) in these cities, then I bow to your knowledge on the topic. Otherwise, I'll go with the sites that track these things. Jul 13 15 10:18 am Link People who control private or public monopolies are almost always over paid because their is lack of competition to keep salaries to reasonable market levels. Government is a big monopoly that requires the diligence of citizens to keep management salaries under control. Unfortunately, the bigger and more complex government becomes in relation to it's citizenry, the more likely it is for tax payers to become milking cows for those in control. My neighbor worked in telecom management and moved into a city management job. Now she makes double her previous salary while working less hours. Jul 13 15 10:55 am Link its not about how much they make... its about how much they can steal. Jul 13 15 03:38 pm Link Gryph wrote: Agreed. Jul 13 15 03:48 pm Link Lightcraft Studio wrote: Canada has free government provided health care, the Canadian version of Obama Care? Jul 13 15 03:51 pm Link Lightcraft Studio wrote: What's not being compared are the avg number of hours worked along with paid time off. Working in health care today and being familiar with the Canadian system, I don't believe the avg nurse in Canada is working anywhere as much to their American counterparts. There is a reason American hospitals have to recruit all over the world for their understaffed facilities. It's not that they're looking for the best nurses in the world, they're looking for the willing but qualified nurses to work for a certain number of hours at a certain price. Jul 13 15 04:10 pm Link Shot By Adam wrote: Oh, heck, we've seen CEO's destroy companies' bottom lines and get well rewarded for the effort. Cross-reference: Home Depot. HP. And a number of others. In government, it's determined by how much can convince someone to pay you for as long as they realize you're full of shit and then have to go find someone else to do the job for the same amount of money. Well, at least the pay has some set limits. You can find good and bad city managers who earn and don't earn their pay. You can find good and bad CEOs who earn and abuse their pay. Jul 14 15 12:26 pm Link After SMDP printed an article, someone wrote in that. 'Pasadena has a much bigger population and 4? city employees making 200k.' Might have been here, 28 cops took home more than $200K | Santa Monica Daily ... smdp.com/28-cops...more-than-200k/129854 Santa Monica Daily Press Nov 26, 2013 - Alhambra, which is one of the closest cities to Santa Monica in Los .... a database on their site that shows what every state employee makes. 42 fire department members made more than $200K last year smdp.com/42-fire...more-than-200k.../128700 Santa Monica Daily Press Oct 29, 2013 - CITY HALL— Last fiscal year, 42 members of the Santa Monica Fire Department made more than $200,000, according ... Overtime pay pushed many of the employees over $200,000, said City Manager Rod Gould. ... Most of the members making more than $200,000 were fire captains. ... [email protected]. Top 20 salaries in City Hall all over $200K | Santa Monica ... smdp.com/top-20...in-city...over-200k/77067 Santa Monica Daily Press Aug 25, 2010 - The 20 highest paid employees at City Hall all made over $200,000 in 2009, ... assistant city manager and police chief were found to be making .. Jul 14 15 12:46 pm Link I know someone who knows a great deal about our college [SMC.edu]. He said 'SMC has 9 Vice Presidents' and '20 years ago it had about 30 managers, now it has 120? managers at a cost of 10 million a year.' There is a giant hole at the front of SMC. It has been there for about a decade. A construction project gone wrong. Jul 14 15 12:50 pm Link Pick your California City and see what they are paying the staff: http://transparentcalifornia.com/agenci … es/#cities edit: Keep in mind, many of the people retire at age 50 - 60 with 6 figure pensions. http://www.ocregister.com/articles/pens … -club.html Or in one case, 7 figure pension: http://transparentcalifornia.com/pensions/all/ Jul 14 15 03:45 pm Link |
) In certain facilities depending on specialized training in the US healthcare system, they can be paid fairly well. Generally most are not like that. For example, In Canada, a girl i used to date was earning about $10-15 000 a month as an agency nurse. I know of an RN in your state who earns about 45-65k a year. I hear of similar in similar east coast states. $20-25 an hour. I earned more as a janitor. It's quite sad, especially in home care which is one of the most draining of all.
