Shadow Dancer wrote:
It is human nature, impossible to figure out. Situations like this are the reason you get these sorts of questions.

LOL.  Well that explains alot.

Clementynejoy wrote:
LOL.  Well that explains alot.

Great response, a sense of humor goes pretty far around here. Best of luck!

Clementynejoy wrote:
Hello. I'm fairly new to MM - I joined about a month ago.   I clearly state in my profile that I won't consider nude, implied, boudoir, or lingerie modeling.  However, my inbox is constantly bombarded with requests to shoot and when I inquire as to what the photographer has in mind it seems 90% of the time it's exactly what I state I won't do.    How else can I make this clear without sounding like a total diva?

Two reasons, first, MM is a site on which most of the members are not professionals and they act accordingly.

Second, there are many models that state in their profile they do not do nudes when in fact they actually do.  These models want to be very selective in who they do nudes with and don't want to be bombarded with messages from people they are not interested in working with.  By indicating "NO" in their profile their name won't show up if someone does a search for a model to do nudes.

Clementynejoy wrote:
Hello. I'm fairly new to MM - I joined about a month ago.   I clearly state in my profile that I won't consider nude, implied, boudoir, or lingerie modeling.  However, my inbox is constantly bombarded with requests to shoot and when I inquire as to what the photographer has in mind it seems 90% of the time it's exactly what I state I won't do.    How else can I make this clear without sounding like a total diva?

I read every model's profile when her look catches my eye, no matter what kind of modeling she does.

Your profile makes it perfectly clear what work you will consider and that which you are not interested in doing. You're under no obligation to explain yourself to photographers who request work you aren't interested in doing. You could simply quit the conversation with those particular photographers.

Clementynejoy wrote:
Hello. I'm fairly new to MM - I joined about a month ago.   I clearly state in my profile that I won't consider nude, implied, boudoir, or lingerie modeling.  However, my inbox is constantly bombarded with requests to shoot and when I inquire as to what the photographer has in mind it seems 90% of the time it's exactly what I state I won't do.    How else can I make this clear without sounding like a total diva?

Many models say one thing and do another. Never the less, there are some crass people who will hassle you no matter what you say in your bio or indicate in you genres. Just delete or block those who you don't want to work with.

Clementynejoy wrote:
Hello. I'm fairly new to MM - I joined about a month ago.   I clearly state in my profile that I won't consider nude, implied, boudoir, or lingerie modeling.  However, my inbox is constantly bombarded with requests to shoot and when I inquire as to what the photographer has in mind it seems 90% of the time it's exactly what I state I won't do.    How else can I make this clear without sounding like a total diva?

If I am looking to or going to work with a model. Yes I do! Every single word.

Orca Bay Images wrote:
Didn't MM recently implement a new rule about booting people who ask a "no to nudes" model to do nudes?

It's not just photographers who don't read model profiles. Models tend not to read photographers' profiles, either.

No, it was an automated warning message intended to warn the miscreants about the possibility of punishment if they contacted someone who said "NO Nudes" in their sidebar.  Unfortunately, it was poorly programmed and had a lot of unintended results.  For example, If I wrote to the  OP supporting her decision and the word "nude" appeared in any form anywhere in the message, even in a sentence like "I fully support your decision and never shoot anything with any degree of nudity", The message would be blocked and I would be reprimanded.

It created quite an uproar for a day or so and was quickly withdrawn for reconsideration.

Clementynejoy wrote:
Hello. I'm fairly new to MM - I joined about a month ago.   I clearly state in my profile that I won't consider nude, implied, boudoir, or lingerie modeling.  However, my inbox is constantly bombarded with requests to shoot and when I inquire as to what the photographer has in mind it seems 90% of the time it's exactly what I state I won't do.    How else can I make this clear without sounding like a total diva?

Why do you want to work with someone who doesn't read.

Naughty Ties wrote:
They don't call it Model Mayhem for nothing.  lol

Yeah, you're always going to get messages like the ones you mentioned, just the way it is around here so just ignore them and move on. 

Yep.

Clementynejoy wrote:
Hello. I'm fairly new to MM - I joined about a month ago.   I clearly state in my profile that I won't consider nude, implied, boudoir, or lingerie modeling.  However, my inbox is constantly bombarded with requests to shoot and when I inquire as to what the photographer has in mind it seems 90% of the time it's exactly what I state I won't do.    How else can I make this clear without sounding like a total diva?

I'm sorry for your ordeal but try not be offended and just keep saying no politely, you may say in profile "while I appreciate your offers to shoot nudes, I continue to stand firm in my decision not to do nudes" . You can blame it on many others, models and photographers alike, that send mixed messages that create a lot of confusion. What everyone is saying is true,, many models that have "no nudes" checked, actually do nudes, it doesn't make sense but its just the way it is. Its a large website, but a small "world" many times a model will say I dont do nudes and in a photographers portfolio there well be a whole series of nudes of that model. I can count most times that many models contact me for nudes, when they have "no nudes" in their profile or I plan a clothed shoot and they get to the shoot and decide they want nudes. .................................W

Clementynejoy wrote:
Hello. I'm fairly new to MM - I joined about a month ago.   I clearly state in my profile that I won't consider nude, implied, boudoir, or lingerie modeling.  However, my inbox is constantly bombarded with requests to shoot and when I inquire as to what the photographer has in mind it seems 90% of the time it's exactly what I state I won't do.    How else can I make this clear without sounding like a total diva?

Clementynejoy, as you've discovered Mayhem is pretty much the backwaters of the industry... overrun with lower forms... Have you considered Facebook model groups in your locale, they tend to be far more civilized...

Your story which is ubiquitous here is the reason for the demise of Mayhem... the lion's share of commercial talent have have long since moved away from this cesspool, for the very reason you've stated... you're likely far better served on Facebook...

btw, you have agency stats and are currently signed with Willow Model Management, LA...
Please don't waste your time/effort on MM, you're far beyond what little it can offer...

All the best on your journey...

Thomas Van Dyke wrote:

Clementynejoy, as you've discovered Mayhem is pretty much the backwaters of the industry... overrun with lower forms... Have you considered Facebook model groups in your locale, they tend to be far more civilized...

Your story which is ubiquitous here is the reason for the demise of Mayhem... the lion's share of commercial talent have have long since moved away from this cesspool, for the very reason you've stated... you're likely far better served on Facebook...

btw, you have agency stats and are currently signed with Willow Model Management, LA...
Please don't waste your time/effort on MM, you're far beyond what little it can offer...

All the best on your journey...

+ 3/4.

I might not be quite so pessimistic, though.

Clementynejoy wrote:
Hello. I'm fairly new to MM - I joined about a month ago.   I clearly state in my profile that I won't consider nude, implied, boudoir, or lingerie modeling.  However, my inbox is constantly bombarded with requests to shoot and when I inquire as to what the photographer has in mind it seems 90% of the time it's exactly what I state I won't do.    How else can I make this clear without sounding like a total diva?

My advice is don't worry too much about appearing like a diva. Say what's on you mind in your bio.

Best wishes.

Top Gun Digital wrote:

... there are many models that state in their profile they do not do nudes when in fact they actually do. ..

I don't contact models to do nudes who say they don't, but I think that's the big reason many photographers do.  Photographers know that many of the model who checked no nudes, will in fact do nudes.  The only way to know therefore is to ask.

Clementynejoy wrote:
Hello. I'm fairly new to MM - I joined about a month ago.   I clearly state in my profile that I won't consider nude, implied, boudoir, or lingerie modeling.  However, my inbox is constantly bombarded with requests to shoot and when I inquire as to what the photographer has in mind it seems 90% of the time it's exactly what I state I won't do.    How else can I make this clear without sounding like a total diva?

I can't vouch for anyone else, even you!! LoL
I read a Models bio very, very carefully many times and have their pics pretty much memorized as well as any others I can find anywhere else before I ever PM a Model. The more shoots I do, the more I will probably do it. The last thing I want is a Model to show and she is NOT what I was looking for. I have VERY limited shoot time and certainly don't want to squander it.
I would ask a Model in person about nudes once we've worked together and it seems our chemistry is good but otherwise, no.
There are too many 100's of Models that list "nude", to be wasting time on those that list they do not!
But ill admit, I'm always a little baffled why a Model shows nudes and states she won't, when clearly she either has or does!!
John.   📷📷

Orca Bay Images wrote:
Didn't MM recently implement a new rule about booting people who ask a "no to nudes" model to do nudes?

It's not just photographers who don't read model profiles. Models tend not to read photographers' profiles, either.

No they did not.

From my experience many models who say no to nudes, do in fact pose nude for certain photographers whose work they love. So no does sometimes mean maybe.

If you have no interest just simply ignore these type of requests.  I rarely ask non nude models now. They tend to contact me with interest in shooting nudes.  If they do then I will consider it.

Jay Farrell wrote:
I skim for words like "I have the right" or "escort", "tasteful" and exit once I see those. If I am interested in the look of the model and don't find those words, I read the whole thing before contacting them. Others do not read, models are guilty of it too. But just know some do, and being concise will help you even if not every time.

+1

Clementynejoy wrote:
Hello. I'm fairly new to MM - I joined about a month ago.   I clearly state in my profile that I won't consider nude, implied, boudoir, or lingerie modeling.  However, my inbox is constantly bombarded with requests to shoot and when I inquire as to what the photographer has in mind it seems 90% of the time it's exactly what I state I won't do.    How else can I make this clear without sounding like a total diva?

About all you can do is put, in the first paragraph, something like: “I do NOT shoot nudes. Please don’t ask. If you do, your message will be ignored.” If you’re so inclined, you could add “and you will be blocked.”

Even that isn’t going to work 100% of the time, but it will help.

There’s no need to go beyond that and (directly or indirectly) disparage models who do pose nude. It’s just your personal choice not to do nudes.

In response to your question in the title, I don’t always read every word of a model’s profile before sending a friend request. If a model contacts me about doing a shoot, or I decide to contact a model about a shoot, I read every word – very carefully.

In addition to this account, I have two MM accounts for 18+ work. The overwhelming majority of friend requests I receive to all three accounts are from models who don’t pose nude, some of whom are very emphatic about it. I don’t assume that an FR means that the model wants to pose nude.

If a model sends an FR to one of my accounts, I send FR’s from the other two. (I’m constantly amazed by how many models track down all three accounts and send FRs to all three, unless the FR is from someone who is under 18.) If I send an FR, I send one from each account. About 90% of friends end up being friends in all three accounts.

Top Gun Digital wrote:
Second, there are many models that state in their profile they do not do nudes when in fact they actually do.  These models want to be very selective in who they do nudes with and don't want to be bombarded with messages from people they are not interested in working with.  By indicating "NO" in their profile their name won't show up if someone does a search for a model to do nudes.

That’s true in some cases, but that’s not always the reason. Sometimes things change.

Offhand, I can recall three models who contacted me, months after we had done a shoot, and said they had broken up with their boyfriends, and now they can do nudes.

There’s a model, who lives across the state, who comes to St. Louis once or twice a year, to visit her father and shoot with me. In our first shoot, she said she’d like to do some implieds. After that shoot, implieds and sometimes nudes have been involved.

At first, she said she wasn’t interested in shooting nudes with anyone but me. After that, she said that might become an option, after she’s comfortable with a photographer, but she doesn’t want to agree to nudes, before even meeting the photographer. I think that’s fairly common. Last time I saw her profile, it still said No to nudes.

Similarly, one of the best nude models I had worked with (for trade) wanted to shoot again, the next time she was in town. She still has several nudes (including a few of mine) in her portfolio, but she changed her portfolio to say No to nudes.

I asked her what changed. She said her relationship status has changed – and she’ll let me know if it changes again, because we had some shots planned that we didn’t get to do, before we ran out of time.

I can think of many models who said Yes to nudes in their initial profiles – and changed it to No a week or two later. Invariably, they had been contacted “improperly” (usually more than once), and they grew tired of it.

Also, MM doesn’t have an Implied checkbox, and that creates some confusion. Several models have told me that they didn’t know whether to check Yes or No to the nudes question. (In many cases, they answer the question in the text of their profiles.)

Offhand, I can think of nine full-time fashion models who have two profiles. One is their fashion profile, which says No to nudes. The other, their artistic nudes profile, says Yes.

One of them, in her artistic nudes profile, is two inches shorter, 12 pounds heavier, and two dress sizes larger than in her fashion profile. The fashion profile says she lives in Chicago, and the nudes profile says she lives in a Chicago suburb – but not the one she lives in. Many fashion models don’t want their clients to stumble upon their nude portfolios.

Most of them have told me that they’d like to shoot, the next time they’re in St. Louis – but only if there are only artistic and fashion nudes in the portfolio where their photos will be displayed. No glamour, no bodypaint, no erotic, no fetish, etc. That’s why I have two 18+ accounts.

I have suggested to several model friends that they consider having separate accounts.

Models whose profiles say they don’t pose nude have contacted me to do nude shoots.

For that matter, I have been contacted by models, whose profiles say “Paid Assignments Only,” about doing trade shoots. And there are a ton of models who selected “Depends on assignment,” but in the text, their profile says they will do paid assignments only. (Bait and switch?)

Since they are people, models aren’t always 100% consistent.

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
It goes the other way, too.

A lot of models claim to shoot nudes in their availability notices but state otherwise on their profiles.

Sometimes this is a result of the fact that there is no "implieds" option available when they create their profiles, and they don't know whether to check Yes or No to nudes, if they're willing to do implieds.

Based on what I've seen, I'd say that a majority of the portfolios of a majority of the models who say they'll pose nude don't include any nudes. I used to assume that meant that they weren't really interested in doing nudes. I've found that, in many cases, the model simply hasn't found a photographer whose nude work she likes - or whom she trusts enough.