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Visual Delights

Posts: 204

Austin, Texas, US

I'm fond of portraits in which clearly defined shadows fall on an otherwise well-lit model, for example:

18+ nudity
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/21673061
18+ nudity

I'm also fond of the "negative" of that effect, in which brightly shimmering light falls on a model who would otherwise be mostly in the dark:

18+ nudity
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/39286173
18+ nudity

If you've taken (or posed for) pictures using those approaches, perhaps you can post some examples you consider your most successful. If you've developed techniques for achieving those effects, you're welcome to tell about them.

Aug 09 16 12:36 pm Link

Photographer

Looknsee Photography

Posts: 26342

Portland, Oregon, US

Aug 09 16 12:56 pm Link

Photographer

Visual Delights

Posts: 204

Austin, Texas, US

Looknsee Photography wrote:
You mean like this?  18+

Yes indeed. It's understandable that your portrait has made it onto so many lists.

Aug 09 16 01:06 pm Link

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Zack Zoll

Posts: 6895

Glens Falls, New York, US

So I went to a Kelby seminar. Most of it was geared towards getting people excited, and not achieving perfection. 'The next step', if you will. And in that context, he was an excellent teacher.

That said, he shared one trick that I thought was utter genius.  He made an adjustment layer to brighten the image, painted it in in semi-random stabs here and there, and then reduced the layer opacity to where you could barely see that he had done anything.

Bam. Instant mottled light. And since the effect was turned down so far, the viewer couldn't even tell that an effect was used; it was practically a subconscious difference.

I've used that trick a few times. It works well, but no trick works well if you do it a lot.

Aug 09 16 06:10 pm Link

Photographer

Visual Delights

Posts: 204

Austin, Texas, US

Zack Zoll wrote:
So I went to a Kelby seminar. Most of it was geared towards getting people excited, and not achieving perfection. 'The next step', if you will. And in that context, he was an excellent teacher.

That said, he shared one trick that I thought was utter genius.  He made an adjustment layer to brighten the image, painted it in in semi-random stabs here and there, and then reduced the layer opacity to where you could barely see that he had done anything.

Bam. Instant mottled light. And since the effect was turned down so far, the viewer couldn't even tell that an effect was used; it was practically a subconscious difference.

I've used that trick a few times. It works well, but no trick works well if you do it a lot.

Can you point us to an example or two of that technique?

Aug 09 16 07:57 pm Link

Photographer

Zack Zoll

Posts: 6895

Glens Falls, New York, US

Honestly, no. I'm too lazy to create, upload, and link  video.

But Scott Kelby had his whole routine down, fake impromptu jokes and all. I would be surprised if a Google search for 'Kelby mottled light' hit nothing.

Let me know if you get nothing. I could do it, but I have a hard time believing one of the tens of thousands that got that tip hasn't already.

Aug 09 16 08:43 pm Link

Photographer

Noah Russell

Posts: 609

Seattle, Washington, US

I shoot almost exclusively on a white, gray, or black background with lighting  as my primary prop and smoke as a secondary prop. When you combine the two, you can add a great deal of depth to an image that would be quite boring if evenly lit.

In this example I combined a projection spot mounted overhead and some smoke
https://66.media.tumblr.com/579b9de06f90a06dd99ccb337a93ae4c/tumblr_nkwk9cWyOh1tuc3uoo1_1280.jpg

Here is another shot from the same shoot where i changed things up a bit.
https://67.media.tumblr.com/c496425fbec1f9ae46a8c1f3c5f87123/tumblr_nkwkdsenEB1tuc3uoo1_1280.jpg

Simply lighting the background and to create a sharp silhouette. I believe I shot this with a 6in fresnel but I have also used a 16in beauty dish with a grid which provides nearly the same effect. The light is mounted just above and in front of the background and angled backward towards it. 
https://65.media.tumblr.com/4a58114f84acb8d34688ae993800a967/tumblr_njwsvrpj3u1t7ryiuo1_1280.jpg

I also like to deliberately create hard shadows on the background which adds some depth.

18+ This was lit with a 10in fresnel .I added a 7' white parabolic umbrella to control the depth of the shadows.
https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/37000169

18+ Here is one I shot a while ago. There is a projection spot. A 7in reflector with a grid gel from above. I can't remember exactly what I used as a fill but I think it was a pair of 24x80 strip boxes.

https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/34829667

OP, I love the "Reflection on Torso" image you posted.

Cheers,
Noah

Aug 10 16 12:24 am Link

Photographer

Visual Delights

Posts: 204

Austin, Texas, US

Noah Russell wrote:
OP, I love the "Reflection on Torso" image you posted.
Cheers,
Noah

Thanks. I work in nature. At one point along a nearby creek I noticed that at the right time on a clear morning the sun coming through the trees reflects off the water to create shimmers of light. After I realized that, I arranged to go to that spot with a model at that time in the morning to see how the light played off her body. The shimmers kept changing, so I took plenty of pictures, confident that at least some of them would show pleasing arrangements of light.

Thanks for your explanations of how you achieve your effects. Having the equipment you do gives you a freedom to get the effects you want when you want them. Nature, by contrast, is capricious.

Aug 10 16 02:58 am Link

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Jim Burns Photography

Posts: 51

Batavia, New York, US

Aug 10 16 11:50 am Link

Photographer

Visual Delights

Posts: 204

Austin, Texas, US

Jim Burns Photography wrote:
Positive shadows  https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/36287396

What an excellent picture. If it's not a trade secret, how did you create those patterns?

Aug 10 16 02:38 pm Link

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Jim Burns Photography

Posts: 51

Batavia, New York, US

Visual Delights wrote:

What an excellent picture. If it's not a trade secret, how did you create those patterns?

A video projector

Aug 11 16 05:38 am Link

Photographer

JGC Photography

Posts: 301

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

Zack Zoll wrote:
So I went to a Kelby seminar. Most of it was geared towards getting people excited, and not achieving perfection. 'The next step', if you will. And in that context, he was an excellent teacher.

That said, he shared one trick that I thought was utter genius.  He made an adjustment layer to brighten the image, painted it in in semi-random stabs here and there, and then reduced the layer opacity to where you could barely see that he had done anything.

Bam. Instant mottled light. And since the effect was turned down so far, the viewer couldn't even tell that an effect was used; it was practically a subconscious difference.

I've used that trick a few times. It works well, but no trick works well if you do it a lot.

Digital smoke more or less?

Aug 11 16 11:14 am Link

Photographer

Visual Delights

Posts: 204

Austin, Texas, US

Jim Burns Photography wrote:

A video projector

How did you create the patterns that you projected?

Aug 11 16 02:26 pm Link

Photographer

Jim Burns Photography

Posts: 51

Batavia, New York, US

Visual Delights wrote:

How did you create the patterns that you projected?

Some were pictures some were crude graphics made in Photoshop. I put them all
Into power point to cycle through them for the shoot.

Aug 12 16 05:11 am Link

Photographer

Visual Delights

Posts: 204

Austin, Texas, US

Jim Burns Photography wrote:

Some were pictures some were crude graphics made in Photoshop. I put them all
Into power point to cycle through them for the shoot.

I wonder if there's a battery-operated projector I could take out into dark places in nature.

Aug 15 16 06:26 pm Link

Photographer

Zack Zoll

Posts: 6895

Glens Falls, New York, US

Visual Delights wrote:

I wonder if there's a battery-operated projector I could take out into dark places in nature.

They do exist.

But back before LEDs, the same thing was accomplished by taping a slide to a flash.

If you own a printer that uses pigment inks, you can buy acetate sheets to accomplish the same thing. I'm not sure if it works with dye inks.

And you need specific sheets - the stuff your teachers wrote on with an overhead projector won't work.

Aug 15 16 07:59 pm Link

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highStrangeness

Posts: 2485

Carmichael, California, US

This might qualify.

18+ https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/34023142

It's not my best work, exactly, and I've made strides since then, but it worked out OK I think.  In this case I didn't really have any plan to use the light like that, it was just pure luck to find a streak of light like that, and I took advantage of it.

Aug 15 16 09:13 pm Link

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hbutz New York

Posts: 3923

Ronkonkoma, New York, US

https://www.hbutz.com/public/hrie1101b.jpg

Aug 16 16 03:34 am Link

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fsp

Posts: 3656

New York, New York, US

https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/160816/05/57b30485879ad.jpg

Aug 16 16 05:15 am Link

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fsp

Posts: 3656

New York, New York, US

https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/160816/05/57b305f92de53.jpg

Aug 16 16 05:26 am Link

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Mikey McMichaels

Posts: 3356

New York, New York, US

https://66.media.tumblr.com/de04d4fb37786f73a9630bc881ecc9cc/tumblr_o956bvPaS21qze888o1_1280.jpg

Aug 16 16 10:44 am Link

Aug 16 16 03:10 pm Link

Photographer

Visual Delights

Posts: 204

Austin, Texas, US

hbutz New York wrote:
https://www.hbutz.com/public/hrie1101b.jpg

That's a good use not only of shadows but of diagonals.

Aug 18 16 12:48 pm Link