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D A N I
Posts: 4627
Little Rock, Arkansas, US
How would/should you handle an offer for a shoot with a photographer that lives in another state? Offer is for trade or just a basic rate, no travel or expenses included.
Should you ask for expenses to be covered or just get there out of pocket and hope you can book other paying shoots?
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Images by MR
Posts: 8908
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
D A N I wrote:
How would/should you handle an offer for a shoot with a photographer that lives in another state? Offer is for trade or just a basic rate, no travel or expenses included.
Should you ask for expenses to be covered or just get there out of pocket and hope you can book other paying shoots? Kind of hard to answer without knowing the photographer and how good his work is. You'd have to assess that yourself.
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Michael Bots
Posts: 8020
Kingston, Ontario, Canada
There is a reason the IRS allows 57 cents per mile for vehicle travel -- it's not generosity -- that's about what it really costs with car maintenance, insurance and gas included. Unless you are nearby for some other work there is no reason for you to absorb that cost. (plus accommodation) Standard Mileage Rates at a Glance https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/ … tes-glance
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Laura UnBound
Posts: 28745
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Haven't you been traveling for a couple years now?
If his work is so good its worth coming out of pocket for, do it.
If its not, be upfront that you'd need at least your travel covered (or just give him rates that factor in your total expenses)
Or tell him if he can drum up some buddies who'd like to shoot you and turn those into paid gigs you'll trade with him
Or tell him he'll have to wait until you can find enough paid work to make the trip out there worthwhile
I don't recommend going anywhere just hoping for the best, unless you can afford to lose expenses if it all goes to shit, but it also depends on where you're headed. Taking a chance on bumbfuck nowhere is different than taking a chance on LA or NYC or something.
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
You have to be careful. There is a model I know who flew to another state to work with a photographer and he flaked on her.
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fsp
Posts: 3656
New York, New York, US
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Carle Photo
Posts: 475
New Orleans, Louisiana, US
The last time I got that offer:
"Come shoot TFP with me on your own dime"
It would have cost me over $500 in airfare, I told him to shove it.
Other times I have covered all my own costs to fly to a location and work, it depends on the job, images, what other jobs I can get, what other jobs I have locally, & other factors.
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Brian Diaz
Posts: 65617
Danbury, Connecticut, US
D A N I wrote:
How would/should you handle an offer for a shoot with a photographer that lives in another state? Offer is for trade or just a basic rate, no travel or expenses included.
Should you ask for expenses to be covered or just get there out of pocket and hope you can book other paying shoots? There are lots of variables. Here are 3.
1) Distance. How far is it, and how much would it cost to travel there? If you're in Little Rock and they're in Memphis, that's not much risk. You could do a day trip pretty easily. But if they're in Boise, you're going to need a place to stay, and significant travel time/expense.
2) Market. Are there other photographers in the area? Are they looking for models like you? Are they willing to pay your rates?
3) Quality. Is the photographer any good? If it's a trade situation, are the photos you get in the deal likely to improve your portfolio and bring in more work? Or would the photos/experience have value in any other way?
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MatureModelMM
Posts: 2843
Detroit, Michigan, US
D A N I wrote:
How would/should you handle an offer for a shoot with a photographer that lives in another state? Offer is for trade or just a basic rate, no travel or expenses included.
Should you ask for expenses to be covered or just get there out of pocket and hope you can book other paying shoots? I think the answer is plain and simple. It has to be worth your while, something that can benefit you in one way or another. Only you can decide whether that applies to any specific offer. Typically when I do trade work with a photographer or artist in another state or a significant distance away, it's done during a time when I was already planning to be in that area or nearby anyway.
Making plans dependent on finding others along the route or in the city you are going to could also work well.
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Farenell Photography
Posts: 18832
Albany, New York, US
D A N I wrote:
How would/should you handle an offer for a shoot with a photographer that lives in another state? Offer is for trade or just a basic rate, no travel or expenses included.
Should you ask for expenses to be covered or just get there out of pocket and hope you can book other paying shoots? Since they're the one approaching you, it can't hurt to ask! Nor would it hurt to give them a specific number, usually just gas money but not always.
At the very least it'll be a decent gauge as to how badly they want to work w/ you.
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Broward Paint
Posts: 94
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US
A good rule of thumb is:
The first booking is paid (+ expenses optional), up front. Nonnegotiable
Once you have that, what you book is up to you.
Never go out of area with out at least one paid gig.
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AgX
Posts: 2851
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Farenell Photography wrote:
...it can't hurt to ask! I disagree.
If many, many forum threads are any guide, the breadth of people who are outraged and offended by any number of insults*, real or imagined, indicates that indeed asking/suggesting/proposing can in fact hurt. I’m not suggesting that one should never ask; I just think that the absolute belief that “it can’t hurt” isn’t supported by data.
*While I don’t agree with those who rail with extreme vigor against others who do things differently, it is a common theme here.
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D A N I
Posts: 4627
Little Rock, Arkansas, US
Laura UnBound wrote:
Haven't you been traveling for a couple years now?
If his work is so good its worth coming out of pocket for, do it.
If its not, be upfront that you'd need at least your travel covered (or just give him rates that factor in your total expenses)
Or tell him if he can drum up some buddies who'd like to shoot you and turn those into paid gigs you'll trade with him
Or tell him he'll have to wait until you can find enough paid work to make the trip out there worthwhile
I don't recommend going anywhere just hoping for the best, unless you can afford to lose expenses if it all goes to shit, but it also depends on where you're headed. Taking a chance on bumbfuck nowhere is different than taking a chance on LA or NYC or something. I haven't had a real shoot in nearly 2 years and the last time I trusted a photographer he treated me like shit and kicked out of his house because 2 down to fuck models showed up.
I was just trying to brush up and some details so I won't run into a bad situation again
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