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Photographer

Noah Russell

Posts: 609

Seattle, Washington, US

I have been creating some of the best images this site has ever seen and I still can't get any paid work. I am about to loose my entire collection of images because nobody will hire me.

Love,
Noah

Oct 06 19 10:36 am Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 33877

Arcata, California, US

NoahRussellStudio wrote:
I have been creating some of the best images this site has ever seen and I still can't get any paid work. I am about to loose my entire collection of images because nobody will hire me.

Love,
Noah

Maybe your excessive humility and incredible diplomatic skills are driving people away?

What are you doing to advertise your work... I mean, besides posting it on a networking site for photographers and models?

Oct 06 19 11:50 am Link

Photographer

Garry k

Posts: 30130

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

I am willing to bet you that if you turned your photographic talents to weddings . events .headshots . maternity/ baby and family photos - that you might make some coin

and you might not have to hire any guards to do that sort of photography

Serioulsy -  a lot about paying photography is choosing the right genres

Oh ...and Pets too ( but some of them may bite - just so you know )

Oct 06 19 12:31 pm Link

Photographer

LA StarShooter

Posts: 2733

Los Angeles, California, US

To get hired, and if your wish is commercial projects, a portfolio has to showcased examples. If it is weddings, which can be a good suggestion, but, ideally, should only be suggested if there is some evidence of established skill in that arena. I looked at your website, and your facebook, as well as here, and nothing you have done is easily applicable to other realms outside of art nudes with a hint of cosplay and fetish. In essence you are what you shoot, commercially speaking. Your website currently lacks basic professional sell-through. It showcases but trying to email from it or go to read an about section means discovering the lack of it, and, therefore, potential clients are not sold.

On my website people can email me and I do receive inquiries. My facebook links to my website as does my instagram. This is basic for trying to get work.

Oct 06 19 02:07 pm Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 33877

Arcata, California, US

Garry k wrote:
I am willing to bet you that if you turned your photographic talents to weddings . events .headshots . maternity/ baby and family photos - that you might make some coin

Given the tone of Jonah's profile and some of his recent posts, working with wedding parties, pregnant women, and cchildren and pets might be a massively bad idea.

In making money in photography, photography is the easy part.

Oct 06 19 02:36 pm Link

Photographer

Noah Russell

Posts: 609

Seattle, Washington, US

Excuse me, whose profile are you looking at...Are you bots or real people. smile

Cheers,
Noah

Oct 08 19 02:17 am Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 33877

Arcata, California, US

I repeat:
What are you doing to advertise your work... I mean, besides posting it on a networking site for photographers and models?

Oct 08 19 09:00 am Link

Photographer

Shadow Dancer

Posts: 9781

Bellingham, Washington, US

Just took a look at your port. I've seen MANY, both on MM and elsewhere. There is an abundance of photography in the world. To stand out, one must be extraordinary both technically and creatively. One must also be excellent at marketing.

Technically, you are above average. That places you as one of many, many photographers. There are some technically exceptional photographers out there, your port does not display that level of technical expertise. You are very good but not great.

Creatively, you are very average. I see well rendered cliche after cliche and nothing exceptionally creative. Again, one of many.
Where are the stories, the amazing sets, the never seen before? Not in your port, a mishmash of same old same old.

If you want work, you have to go where the work is, in Seattle that would be Weddings, Real Estate/Architectural, Food (menus for restaurants), Senior Portraits, Sports Teams, Pets etc. The market for what you have in your port is saturated worldwide and you are attempting to compete with the likes of Ken Marcus and other masters of the genre.

Microsoft and Amazon probably have photography departments, that would be a steady paycheck at least.

Now, it terms of ego-driven bombast, you win. Without substantial evidence otherwise, this single aspect is merely somewhat amusing.

Oct 08 19 12:47 pm Link

Photographer

Lee_Photography

Posts: 9863

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/140722/00/53ce15a678f8a_m.jpg
You seem to like shooting at a high ratio, note bright area around mouth, and dark area under hat and cheeks.
Details you caught part of the umbrellas stand above models left shoulder, lower umbrella or raise model.
Pose seems to lack energy, might work better if models right shoulder was higher than left [would lead the viewer in to the pose more]

https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/150724/04/55b22062c45e1_m.jpg
All I can think of is a store mannequin, would love to see models left eye open a bit more
[Think a longer lens might give better portrait results]
Some fun gel colors might add to the background

https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/131224/00/52b942bf3e8ef_m.jpg
Interesting concept
Wish the gray background would have gone all the way to top of photo
Bit more back light or rim light on hair

https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/140715/10/53c5648c1ae22_m.jpg
Light seems high, note shadow on eyes from eyelashes

https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/170303/18/58ba2c88e9aa4_m.jpg
More light in models eyes, and I would call this a top pick

https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/180919/22/5ba32f556cd25_m.jpg
Light seems too harsh on models face, looks like a bit of red eye too



https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/140831/23/54040c49e3da0_m.jpg
I like this one a lot, one of the best in your portfolio

https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/150724/04/55b22055148a6_m.jpg
Another top pick

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Oct 08 19 02:34 pm Link

Photographer

Fleming Design

Posts: 1380

East Hartford, Connecticut, US

Shadow Dancer, your critique is really well stated, and on the mark.

Oct 08 19 02:40 pm Link

Photographer

Eros Fine Art Photo

Posts: 3097

Torrance, California, US

NoahRussellStudio wrote:
I have been creating some of the best images this site has ever seen...

Love,
Noah

When are you going to post them in your portfolio?

Oct 08 19 04:46 pm Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 33877

Arcata, California, US

NoahRussellStudio wrote:
Excuse me, whose profile are you looking at.

The person whose profile starts off with:

Still not loving unidentified persons identifying themselves as "Snohomish County Sherrifs deputies" and a "mental health" specialist showing up at my home without a warrant while I am resting.

Does that sound like someone who should be working with weddings, children, pets or pregnant women? What could possibly go wrong?

Oct 08 19 05:34 pm Link

Photographer

DCurtis

Posts: 796

San Cristóbal de las Casas, Chiapas, Mexico

have you considered posting some of those better images in your portfolio?

Oct 08 19 09:09 pm Link

Photographer

Garry k

Posts: 30130

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Orca Bay Images wrote:

The person whose profile starts off with:

Does that sound like someone who should be working with weddings, children, pets or pregnant women? What could possibly go wrong?

Dont recall that stuff when i first read his bio

I wonder if we are being trolled ?

Oct 08 19 09:34 pm Link

Photographer

Mark Salo

Posts: 11730

Olney, Maryland, US

NoahRussellStudio wrote:
. . . I am about to loose my entire collection of images because nobody will hire me.

Hey, whatever you do, don't loose your entire collection of images!

Oct 09 19 01:52 pm Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 33877

Arcata, California, US

NoahRussellStudio wrote:
. . . I am about to loose my entire collection of images because nobody will hire me.

https://gd.image-gmkt.com/SANDISK-ORIGINAL-SANDISK-CRUZER-BLADE-16GB-USB-FLASH-THUMB-DRIVE-PEN/li/869/929/736929869.g_400-w_g.jpg


I repeat:
What are you doing to advertise your work... I mean, besides posting it on a networking site for photographers and models?

Oct 09 19 06:04 pm Link

Photographer

Camera Buff

Posts: 924

Maryborough, Queensland, Australia

NoahRussellStudio wrote:
Snippet .... I am about to loose my entire collection of images because nobody will hire me.

Love,
Noah

If no one is hiring you at the moment and you don’t feel the love, or find the $ benefit in being a VIP member, you don't have to lose your entire collection of images. You have the options to reduce the current size of your (VIP) collection down to either 100 images as a Premium member, or 50 images as a Basic member.

Although when work does pick up again, it will be a pain to have to reload the 109 or 159 portfolio images back onto MM.

That is, if you do decide to lose them from your current VIP collection of images.

Oct 09 19 08:59 pm Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 33877

Arcata, California, US

I'm not sure how the OP still has an account here at all, given that in his profile he accuses a model of criminal behavior.

Oct 11 19 02:33 pm Link

Photographer

Mark Salo

Posts: 11730

Olney, Maryland, US

Orca Bay Images wrote:
I'm not sure how the OP still has an account here at all, given that in his profile he accuses a model of criminal behavior.

He is a she now.

Garry k wrote:
I wonder if we are being trolled ?

Oct 12 19 05:12 pm Link

Photographer

Angel House Portraits

Posts: 323

Orlando, Florida, US

I think I know why no one is hiring you. You just have a wrap sheet of events happening in your life just by looking at your profile. Also insecurities about gender preference. Before you go any further. A trip to the Vatican might do well. God bless thee soul.

Oct 13 19 09:33 am Link

Retoucher

B Imaging SC

Posts: 90

Charleston, South Carolina, US

I thought this was a Roberta Flack thread.

Oct 14 19 04:09 pm Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 33877

Arcata, California, US

B Imaging SC wrote:
I thought this was a Roberta Flack thread.

In a way, it is. Trolls tend to catch flak.

Oct 14 19 04:59 pm Link

Photographer

Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

Orca Bay Images wrote:
I'm not sure how the OP still has an account here at all, given that in his profile he accuses a model of criminal behavior.

That section has been removed with lots of other bio stuff

Oct 14 19 07:47 pm Link

Photographer

Garry k

Posts: 30130

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Orca Bay Images wrote:

In a way, it is. Trolls tend to catch flak.

lol

Oct 14 19 10:43 pm Link

Photographer

GSG Photography Studio

Posts: 221

Portland, Oregon, US

I understand your frustrations about getting paid, "I have been creating some of the best images this site has ever seen" are you saying your the Best on this website? You come off cocky and grandiose, I have seen Much better on this website. Your not a bad photographer, your work is above average, but you wear your heart on your sleeve and then you expose your insecurities, and that can be a HUGE turn off to Models. Boasting about you you you you YOU TENDS TO DRIVE MODELS AWAY. Let your work speak for itself. Be better that you were yesterday. You got photo skills now work on your people skills. When those two people meet you will make one hell of a strong photographer.
Best of Luck and keep on creating art.

Oct 15 19 03:33 pm Link

Photographer

Noah Russell

Posts: 609

Seattle, Washington, US

After spending some time reflecting on the advice given by participants, I feel it is appropriate to offer a very broad "thank you" everyone that responded.

My portfolio and profile have been updated and improved as a result. smile I expect what is included/excluded in terms of written and visual content will continue to evolve as will I.

Cheers,
Noah

Nov 20 19 01:17 am Link

Photographer

Camera Buff

Posts: 924

Maryborough, Queensland, Australia

Noah Russell wrote:
After spending some time reflecting on the advice given by participants, I feel it is appropriate to offer a very broad "thank you" everyone that responded.

My portfolio and profile have been updated and improved as a result. smile I expect what is included/excluded in terms of written and visual content will continue to evolve as will I.

Cheers,
Noah

Hi Noah Russell,

I didn't critique you, as I don't consider my photography as being at the appropriate level for me to critique others.

However, I do know what I like and don't like.

I do like your 'About Me' and your 'Portfolio' much, much more now that you've made your changes. WELL DONE!

Nov 20 19 02:34 am Link

Photographer

BMA PHOTO

Posts: 53

Pawtucket, Rhode Island, US

Noah Russell wrote:
I have been creating some of the best images this site has ever seen and I still can't get any paid work. I am about to loose my entire collection of images because nobody will hire me.

Love,
Noah

I've had around 7200 photo shoots, about 1.5 million pics a year and know this stuff, inside out, forwards and backwards. I find the images artsy with zero eye for detail and effective posing. A belly button ring?. just poor posing, and models who look like little money. If you want to begin making money in modeling you need to ask, what is the purpose of this image and shoot models for their features, skin tones, personality, energy and remember everything matters. You are not posing the models effectively. Hair needs to be posed for every image. hair needs to be look natural or have natural tones. If you want to make money you need to shoot people who look real, healthy and look like they aren't all gothic. I find a model in a sweater shot right can bring in $40,000  in a year or two if they look real and natural. So outside of artsy, there is no eye on how you pose your models. It's almost like you are trying to pose them the worst way possible. You images do not show the basics of model photography. That is fine if you are just doing your thing. But alot more to photography than just using the camera or even lighting. You need to learn if you want to make money that:

Models need to look real, wholesome, great smile, sexy but gal next door or outright sexy and nice eye speak. then they need to wearing nice outfits to themes so far away from gothic as it gets. I equate it to night clubs that switched from mainstream to all wrap and they wonder why they went out of business. You need to cater to a crowd that has money. You have questions along the way feel free to send a message, but understand the key to success is the ability to put yourself aside so you can give an honest critique of your own work so you can learn. Must have seen at least 100 in-effective basics of modeling  I like it when someone says they are good and back it up. I see photographers with all the tripods, meters, computers for viewing images and then shake my head out of the income. Common sense truly answers all the questions to make money. Once you learn tons about model photography you will learn that unless you have the locations and others, the money won't be from the models in success. The number one thing, you need to shoot natural looking models for starters with a healthy look. Hope you keep an open mind and  see what i'm talking about looking at each photo.

had to laugh when one of my friends models I shot for him was super cute, in Maxim a few years back and shot a decade ago sold around $130,000 for parts of 2 photoshoots. A guy who loves fake breasts, tattoos head to toe that are not art but drunken ink night saw the pic on a forum and says she's ugly. Gee 5000 people signed up for her yahoo group in a week and bought everything they could get their hands on. The motto is,  YOU need the ability to know if your pics are amazing or crap to have success and no why they are or are not. Then you'll start kicking butt!!

Nov 20 19 08:49 pm Link

Photographer

BMA PHOTO

Posts: 53

Pawtucket, Rhode Island, US

LA StarShooter wrote:
To get hired, and if your wish is commercial projects, a portfolio has to showcased examples. If it is weddings, which can be a good suggestion, but, ideally, should only be suggested if there is some evidence of established skill in that arena. I looked at your website, and your facebook, as well as here, and nothing you have done is easily applicable to other realms outside of art nudes with a hint of cosplay and fetish. In essence you are what you shoot, commercially speaking. Your website currently lacks basic professional sell-through. It showcases but trying to email from it or go to read an about section means discovering the lack of it, and, therefore, potential clients are not sold.

On my website people can email me and I do receive inquiries. My facebook links to my website as does my instagram. This is basic for trying to get work.

Good advice

Nov 20 19 08:53 pm Link

Photographer

BMA PHOTO

Posts: 53

Pawtucket, Rhode Island, US

Noah Russell wrote:
I have been creating some of the best images this site has ever seen and I still can't get any paid work. I am about to loose my entire collection of images because nobody will hire me.

Love,
Noah

Hi Noah,  in shooting over 40 decades models always go to shoot where their friends shoot, get tattoos because their friends get them, get belly button rings because the friends get them and  implants because their friends get them. Personally i didn't care about other photographers unless i heard some crap because i was receiving 70 to 130 requests a day to shoot.

Models don't care or know how good anyone is. They just want pics of their theme ready to go and love anything that can make them money. Let models know HOW you can help them in their success. to make money it won't be from models. It will be from selling images of models to framed work or instruction.  For success you will want residual income from your work, not chasing each paid gig.

Nov 20 19 09:15 pm Link