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Photographer

faulkner photography

Posts: 10

Napier, Hawke's Bay, New Zealand

probably been delt with before but cant find it .if you pay a model are you still expected to give them shots from the shoot .thanks

Aug 28 14 04:58 pm Link

Model

Ms Katie Blair

Posts: 95

Kaiserslautern, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany

No

Aug 28 14 05:05 pm Link

Photographer

Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

Does employee working at Best Buy expect to take home a 50" TV on top of their pay check ?

Aug 28 14 05:09 pm Link

Photographer

AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 13053

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Nope, that is often why a photographer may pay a model without a client.  If you can't be sure your idea is going to come out to your standards you can't really promise a trade.  You also can't give them anything if you were shooting some commercial or publication work, at least not until after its been published and that could be many months

Aug 28 14 05:10 pm Link

Photographer

Iktan

Posts: 879

New York, New York, US

No

Aug 28 14 05:15 pm Link

Photographer

faulkner photography

Posts: 10

Napier, Hawke's Bay, New Zealand

thankyou . thought as much .im the one getting the car to shoot on organising everything .

Aug 28 14 05:15 pm Link

Photographer

DELETED-ACCOUNT_

Posts: 10303

Los Angeles, California, US

Only if that's what you agreed to.

Aug 28 14 05:22 pm Link

Model

Ms Katie Blair

Posts: 95

Kaiserslautern, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany

I mean I've been paid, and I've gotten photos...it's a plus, not expected...

You have to realize it doesn't stop the model from taking the photos and uploading the photos herself on any place that you have posted the photos online...

Aug 28 14 05:25 pm Link

Photographer

myfotographer

Posts: 3702

Fresno, California, US

I do not pay models and provide images.

Aug 28 14 05:29 pm Link

Model

Sarah Lynn Modeling

Posts: 161

Asheville, North Carolina, US

No.  But it certainly is a pleasant surprise when the photographer does offer to send images.

Aug 28 14 05:31 pm Link

Model

Victoria Ellis

Posts: 129

San Diego, California, US

If I'm being paid I don't expect it. Maybe 25% of the time I get emailed photos I've also been paid for. Once in a great while they'll pay me and let me choose my own final edits. I really don't expect that, but it's certainly a nice surprise.

Aug 28 14 05:36 pm Link

Photographer

Maxximages

Posts: 2478

Los Angeles, California, US

Depends what you and the model agree to.

Whatever you agree to make sure it is stated clearly before the shoot begins.

Aug 28 14 05:37 pm Link

Photographer

Marin Photo NYC

Posts: 7348

New York, New York, US

It's nice to do but not something you have to do...I always did just because it's easier to network and maybe get some more likes on my pages etc. but don't make it part of any agreement. This way if you are not happy with them you don't have to share.

Aug 28 14 05:51 pm Link

Photographer

Northern Sights

Posts: 186

Soldotna, Alaska, US

I think it is a nice thing to do. Especially if the model wants them. I always give them a copy of the jpegs on a thumbdrive at the end of the shoot and send them edits to the raw photos when I make them. Unless they say they don't want them.

Aug 28 14 06:05 pm Link

Photographer

Llobet Photography

Posts: 4915

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US

It's whatever you agree to with the model.

I've paid in the past and have given the models images too of their choice.
It actually helped to promote me.
One model that I know of is actually using my pictures on her comp card and website.
Others are using them in their portfolios.

Aug 28 14 06:09 pm Link

Model

Isis22

Posts: 3557

Muncie, Indiana, US

Most of the time I get both.

Aug 28 14 06:51 pm Link

Photographer

GER Photography

Posts: 8463

Imperial, California, US

Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
Does employee working at Best Buy expect to take home a 50" TV on top of their pay check ?

It's been known to happen!:-)))))))

Aug 28 14 06:53 pm Link

Photographer

mophotoart

Posts: 2118

Wichita, Kansas, US

if the pictures are that good that she wants them also, she should give a rebate on the paid shoot for the use of the pics....I do the same...if a customer paid shoot has some comps I can really use, I offer compensation for a release to let me use them also...makes sense to me

Aug 28 14 06:57 pm Link

Model

Caitin Bre

Posts: 2687

Apache Junction, Arizona, US

faulkner photography wrote:
probably been delt with before but cant find it .if you pay a model are you still expected to give them shots from the shoot .thanks

No unless you negotiated it.

But I cant remember the last time I was on a paid shoot that I didn't get any images. It would definitely have to be back into the film days. And even then half the time I got a thank you note with a couple of prints in the mail.
Guess Ive been lucky and worked with only really nice photographers.

Aug 28 14 07:34 pm Link

Model

Caitin Bre

Posts: 2687

Apache Junction, Arizona, US

myfotographer wrote:
I do not pay models and provide images.

nvrmnd.

Aug 28 14 07:37 pm Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 12067

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

faulkner photography wrote:
probably been delt with before but cant find it .if you pay a model are you still expected to give them shots from the shoot .thanks

You are expected to meet your commitments, although exceeding them is seldom viewed as a negative.

If you pay a model $50 for a shoot, and the agreed upon rate was $200, you are a jerk.  If the agreed upon rate was $30, you have done well.

Similarly, if you provide three images in addition to cash, and had promised none, you're a nice guy.  If you had promised 10 in addition to some amount of cash, we're back to you being a jerk.

Aug 28 14 07:40 pm Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 12067

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

Northern Sights wrote:
I think it is a nice thing to do. Especially if the model wants them. I always give them a copy of the jpegs on a thumbdrive at the end of the shoot and send them edits to the raw photos when I make them. Unless they say they don't want them.

If I paid a model, and she said she didn't want me to send any finished images, I'd probably be offended, unless we shot something really strange  (That is, if she rejected the idea, not if she said it wasn't required).  I don't know why most professional models would want unfinished images, so that's a different matter.

Aug 28 14 07:43 pm Link

Model

Nicole Nu

Posts: 3981

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Sarah Lynn Modeling wrote:
No.  But it certainly is a pleasant surprise when the photographer does offer to send images.

+1

Aug 28 14 07:44 pm Link

Photographer

Bare Essential Photos

Posts: 3605

Upland, California, US

faulkner photography wrote:
probably been delt with before but cant find it .if you pay a model are you still expected to give them shots from the shoot .thanks

Well, I view it that way.

I always give the model all the images I keep.

Aug 28 14 07:55 pm Link

Model

Erin Holmes

Posts: 6583

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

Generally no, but if that was part of your agreement then yes.

Aug 28 14 07:56 pm Link

Photographer

Looknsee Photography

Posts: 26342

Portland, Oregon, US

faulkner photography wrote:
probably been delt with before but cant find it .if you pay a model are you still expected to give them shots from the shoot .thanks

You are expected to meet the terms of your agreement with the model.

If you pay models, you don't have to give them images.
If you promise models images and pay, you have to give them images.
There is no "standard" agreement -- the terms are up to both parties.

Just be sure to make your expectations clear when you negotiate your agreement with your models. 

Document those terms!  Scan these forums, and you'll find threads about inappropriate usages by models, editing of images by models, non-credited portfolio placements by models, and other such complaints.  These could be avoided if you simply talk with your model & document your expectations.

Aug 29 14 07:15 am Link

Photographer

PANHEAD PHOTOGRAPHY

Posts: 1648

San Francisco, California, US

faulkner photography wrote:
probably been delt with before but cant find it .if you pay a model are you still expected to give them shots from the shoot .thanks

Are they good photos ?

She has your money

Why would she need photos ?

Aug 29 14 07:22 am Link

Photographer

Cherrystone

Posts: 37171

Columbus, Ohio, US

Caitin Bre  wrote:

But I cant remember the last time I was on a paid shoot that I didn't get any images. It would definitely have to be back into the film days. And even then half the time I got a thank you note with a couple of prints in the mail.
Guess Ive been lucky and worked with only really nice photographers.

When will we get to see all these images? smile

OP you've gotten your answer from others. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

Aug 29 14 07:34 am Link

Photographer

Kent Art Photography

Posts: 3588

Ashford, England, United Kingdom

I often give out free pics, I looked on it as a marketing tool when I was still marketing myself.

I found that physical prints, with a label on the back with my contact details, and no watermarking on the front, were most successful, because they were the ones that the models kept, or used in their books.  Image files, watermarked, when I gave those out, just tended to sit on computers or get posted to Facebook, not what I wanted.

As others have posted, do what you have agreed to do, but if you want to go that extra bit further then most models won't mind.

Aug 29 14 08:03 am Link

Photographer

Northern Sights

Posts: 186

Soldotna, Alaska, US

Art of the nude wrote:

If I paid a model, and she said she didn't want me to send any finished images, I'd probably be offended, unless we shot something really strange  (That is, if she rejected the idea, not if she said it wasn't required).  I don't know why most professional models would want unfinished images, so that's a different matter.

I give them the jpegs so they can edit themselves or pick out ones they would like me to finish. Also, depending on the shoot, the images may come out of the camera ready to use. Many of my photos are untouched other than b&w conversion.

Aug 29 14 08:10 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

I have sometimes given a model images even though I paid her.

Aug 29 14 08:11 am Link

Photographer

OSMIUM IMAGES

Posts: 18

Rockingham, Western Australia, Australia

Even for paid shoots I'll always give a few photos, but I'm a hobbyist.

Aug 29 14 08:15 am Link

Model

Model Sarah

Posts: 40987

Columbus, Ohio, US

90% of the time I will receive images. The reason for this is that, well it is the art community so why wouldn't you share your work? Also if I use them it is a good word of mouth to other models. I love seeing the results of all the shoots I do with someone. It's pretty awesome to see what we created together.

All in all it is a positive thing to give images to the model regardless of if you are paying or not. The details in that are how many you want to give and if they can edit them. I'd say it is usually a bad idea to let the model edit images but it is whatever you agree with them.

Aug 29 14 08:18 am Link

Photographer

Image By Doc

Posts: 12

Huntersville, North Carolina, US

Model Sarah wrote:
90% of the time I will receive images. The reason for this is that, well it is the art community so why wouldn't you share your work? Also if I use them it is a good word of mouth to other models. I love seeing the results of all the shoots I do with someone. It's pretty awesome to see what we created together.

All in all it is a positive thing to give images to the model regardless of if you are paying or not. The details in that are how many you want to give and if they can edit them. I'd say it is usually a bad idea to let the model edit images but it is whatever you agree with them.

Since I am not a professional I always offer the model a copy of the shoot on flash right after the shoot. She may find one in several hundred that she likes.

Aug 29 14 08:24 am Link

Photographer

Photographic Adventures

Posts: 326

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

I don't often pay models, but when I do I always offer a hand full of final processed photos after the shoot.  I also ask that they credit me on the photos they use in their portfolios.  I think it's a win-win situation.

Aug 29 14 09:38 am Link

Photographer

Looknsee Photography

Posts: 26342

Portland, Oregon, US

Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
Does employee working at Best Buy expect to take home a 50" TV on top of their pay check ?

No, but some companies give their employees an employee discount.

Aug 29 14 10:24 am Link

Model

D A N I

Posts: 4627

Little Rock, Arkansas, US

faulkner photography wrote:
probably been delt with before but cant find it .if you pay a model are you still expected to give them shots from the shoot .thanks

Only give a model photos with cash payment IF you feel the need to. Most photographers will tell you "if you give a model money, then don't give her photos".

There's no written rule to either side

Aug 29 14 11:38 am Link

Photographer

James Andrew Imagery

Posts: 6713

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

More experienced models will say no, they don't expect them.

New or less experienced models may have a different expectation as they may not understand the 'big deal' about making copies of something on a disc.  Especially if it's 'their' photos (I have heard people talking about photos OF them as being 'theirs').

Aug 29 14 11:52 am Link

Photographer

RTE Photography

Posts: 1511

NORTH HOLLYWOOD, California, US

No you don't have to, but it might be a nice good will gesture; especially if you enjoyed working with the model and want to do so again, or just to be nice. Be sure that you get some sort of signed agreements spelling out the rights that the model has to the photos.

Aug 29 14 12:03 pm Link

Model

K I C K H A M

Posts: 14689

Los Angeles, California, US

On MM, I usually get images and photos.

In the outside-MM world, I usually get images and photos. The reasons are different.

On MM, I find few people are willing or expecting to pay a decent day rate (at least for a clothed model). So, if I agree to a rate well below my typical day rate, images are generally also negotiated. While a "fair rate" certainly varies from person to person, I'd say if you're paying multiple hundreds of dollars for a day, models are less likely to expect images. If you've negotiated $60 for a full day's work (which I've seen happen), then I'd say it's best to throw in some photos.

Outside of MM, I'm usually paid for client projects, so I get to use and share the photos they post.

I get the idea that, if you're paying a model because she wouldn't test with you, you don't want to give photos. This is rarely the situation I find myself in.

tl;dr
Talk about photos explicitly beforehand, and in email/ text/ some form of writing. It'll save you the headache.

Aug 29 14 12:10 pm Link