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Cardillo Photography

Posts: 1360

Palm Coast, Florida, US

i am cosidering adding this to my arsenal.  Any thought or comments on this plugin?

Mar 21 07 08:42 am Link

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Karl Blessing

Posts: 30911

Caledonia, Michigan, US

Cardillo Photography wrote:
i am cosidering adding this to my arsenal.  Any thought or comments on this plugin?

How much is it, what does it do, and why do you think it'll improve your photography?

Mar 21 07 08:55 am Link

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dDavid

Posts: 616

Detroit, Michigan, US

Karl Blessing wrote:

How much is it, what does it do, and why do you think it'll improve your photography?

Tick, Tick, Tick...

Mar 21 07 02:06 pm Link

Photographer

Cardillo Photography

Posts: 1360

Palm Coast, Florida, US

Karl Blessing wrote:

How much is it, what does it do, and why do you think it'll improve your photography?

it is a photoshop plugin for smoothing skin.

Mar 21 07 02:15 pm Link

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AB-11

Posts: 273

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Mar 26 09 11:30 am Link

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CGI Images

Posts: 4989

Wichita, Kansas, US

I use it off and on. The trick is to use it sparingly it's very easy to overuse.  But well worth the money in my opinion.

Mar 26 09 11:35 am Link

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nwprophoto

Posts: 15005

Tonasket, Washington, US

CGI Images wrote:
I use it off and on. The trick is to use it sparingly it's very easy to overuse.  But well worth the money in my opinion.

Got examples?

Mar 26 09 11:41 am Link

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Jeremy I

Posts: 2201

Charlotte, North Carolina, US

AB-11 wrote:
The only thing I can say is "oh, the horror!!"

Those pictures look like... plastic? blurry plastic? ...aliens?

They are pretty bad.

Mar 26 09 11:44 am Link

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Goldenangel Photography

Posts: 44

San Jose, California, US

It can be excellent if used in moderation. IT has many settings that control how it is applied. Alternatively, you can use the default setting and perhaps adjust the opacity of the layer where it is applied, or for more, control, use the layer mask to control where it is applied and how much. I find it very helpful.

Mar 26 09 11:48 am Link

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KDPhoto

Posts: 372

Columbia, South Carolina, US

I use it all the time. Again used sparingly it can cut your retouch time way down.

Mar 26 09 11:50 am Link

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Justin Foto

Posts: 3622

Alberschwende, Vorarlberg, Austria

I use it. Good value for money, but like any tool, be subtle with it.

Mar 26 09 11:52 am Link

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Lightscribbler

Posts: 193

Augusta, Maine, US

Naw...  it aint worth it  IMO

Mar 26 09 11:53 am Link

Retoucher

LMNDPT Retouching

Posts: 236

Montreal, Quebec, Canada

Justin Foto wrote:
I use it. Good value for money, but like any tool, be subtle with it.

+1

Mar 26 09 11:56 am Link

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Leroy Dickson

Posts: 8239

Flint, Michigan, US

It's awesome, but like others have said, use it sparingly. 

I've gotten to a point where I use it in an action to process whole batches for proofing and sometimes finals. It's a real time-saver.

Mar 26 09 11:56 am Link

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BobbyGPhoto

Posts: 1599

Houston, Texas, US

All of these are with the portraiture plug in...however, I apply it on a 2nd layer then drop the opacity down to 15 to 20%....

https://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/090323/03/49c766a0457f8.jpg
https://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/090323/03/49c768a647685.jpg
https://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/090323/03/49c76584c32e6.jpg
https://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/090323/03/49c765f4cc39f.jpg

Mar 26 09 11:59 am Link

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Martin Philippo

Posts: 968

Noordwijkerhout, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands

I use it too (sometimes) and the trick is to apply the filter on a separate layer so you can adjust the intensity of the effect with the opacity of that layer.
It works okay, it saves time. It's not the be-all and end-all.

Mar 26 09 11:59 am Link

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Justin Foto

Posts: 3622

Alberschwende, Vorarlberg, Austria

Martin Philippo wrote:
I use it too (sometimes) and the trick is to apply the filter on a separate layer so you can adjust the intensity of the effect with the opacity of that layer.
It works okay, it saves time. It's not the be-all and end-all.

That's exactly right. What is more, there is an option (though it doesn't work in batch) to create a new layer when it processes the shot, so you don't have to duplicate a layer before you start.

Mar 26 09 12:21 pm Link

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MarkMedia

Posts: 131

New Ulm, Minnesota, US

I like the plu-in..... easy to over do it.... and shame on me - I didnt pay for it.

Mar 26 09 12:24 pm Link

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WATERSTREETNORTH

Posts: 608

Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US

I've been using Portraiture since it first came out - to me it replaced the Kodak plug in that was a piece of.... As others have said here, use it on another layer and apply sparingly, I have not gone past the second preset. As a portrait photographer, it is part of my workflow - only after I've done the major work with the healing patch and rubber stamp tool.

There is a video to watch that talks about some additional artsy things you can do with Portraiture. There is a free trial - it's worth a look for you to decide for yourself. That way, you can make an informed comment to someone who asks you about it in the future, rather than a negative comment because someone else said so.

Mar 26 09 12:40 pm Link

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M H P

Posts: 27

Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania, US

You may also be interested in Nik color effects 3.0
the skin dynamic tool adds a layer mask in PS and you can control the amouth of skin smoothing with opac. control and painting in and out the areas you want to work in. I use it and love it!

Mar 26 09 12:55 pm Link

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nwprophoto

Posts: 15005

Tonasket, Washington, US

Bobby G wrote:
All of these are with the portraiture plug in...however, I apply it on a 2nd layer then drop the opacity down to 15 to 20%....

https://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/090323/03/49c766a0457f8.jpg
https://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/090323/03/49c768a647685.jpg
https://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/090323/03/49c76584c32e6.jpg
https://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/090323/03/49c765f4cc39f.jpg

Don't see any skin texture at all.

My monitor?

Mar 26 09 01:37 pm Link

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Dave Swartz Photography

Posts: 18

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

I love Portraiture.....you can adjust it 6 ways till Sunday then layer mask/paint all you want.  I think it's a fabulous product.

https://swartzy.smugmug.com/photos/475909712_BiHBb-X2-1.jpg

Mar 26 09 01:41 pm Link

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BobbyGPhoto

Posts: 1599

Houston, Texas, US

nwprophoto wrote:
Don't see any skin texture at all.

My monitor?

Well, I guess you like that look too... wink
http://modelmayhm-5.vo.llnwd.net/d1/pho … 0e9128.jpg 18+

Mar 26 09 01:42 pm Link

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Ex Voto Studio

Posts: 4985

Columbia, Maryland, US

Dave Swartz Photography wrote:
I love Portraiture.....you can adjust it 6 ways till Sunday then layer mask/paint all you want.  I think it's a fabulous product.

https://swartzy.smugmug.com/photos/475909712_BiHBb-X2-1.jpg

They should pay you for this image and post it on their www. instead of what they have now.

Good work!

-troy

Mar 26 09 01:47 pm Link

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nwprophoto

Posts: 15005

Tonasket, Washington, US

Bobby G wrote:
Well, I guess you like that look too... wink
http://modelmayhm-5.vo.llnwd.net/d1/pho … 0e9128.jpg 18+

LOL, didn't use any smoothing or anything though.
Just hit the curves hard for high key.

Mar 26 09 01:50 pm Link

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epo

Posts: 6196

Columbus, Ohio, US

AB-11 wrote:

Mar 26 09 02:24 pm Link

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Lumigraphics

Posts: 32780

Detroit, Michigan, US

MARK media wrote:
I like the plu-in..... easy to over do it.... and shame on me - I didnt pay for it.

QFM. Not allowed on MM.

Mar 26 09 04:30 pm Link

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GM Photography

Posts: 6322

Olympia, Washington, US

I've used it on most of the images in my portfolio.  I'll be the first to admit that there are a couple of images where I over-did it.

I use the eye dropper tool to pinpoint the skin tone I want to affect and often drag the square in the color sample box to make it smaller to keep it from affecting hair and other things you don't want to smooth.  You can also reduce opacity or layer mask and undo it partially so you don't end up with plastic skin.

Mar 26 09 04:45 pm Link

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Paul Brecht

Posts: 12232

Colton, California, US

Here's a couple examples: (click on images as they will prolly resize to fit your browser)

Once I had set it up to my spec's, here's 1 w/ auto everything 100% (no adjustment)
http://www.pbprophoto.net/portnoadjust.jpg

Here's a close-up of same edit, but w/ a -2 in brightness:
http://www.pbprophoto.net/portbrightadj.jpg

Here's one w/ brightness, contrast & warmth adj:
http://www.pbprophoto.net/portbcwadj.jpg

This would be the effect @ 100% strength. I have done no other editing on these images whatsoever. Just open - Portraiture & screen cap...

Paul

Mar 26 09 05:09 pm Link

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Star

Posts: 17966

Los Angeles, California, US

Ok so I bitched and moaned when I was first shown this plug in, BUT there are tmes when used as a separate layer and then filled in sparingly it can be a useful tool.

Mar 26 09 05:11 pm Link

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Andrew Thomas Evans

Posts: 24079

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

Star wrote:
Ok so I bitched and moaned when I was first shown this plug in, BUT there are tmes when used as a separate layer and then filled in sparingly it can be a useful tool.

Agree!

big_smile

I can see how it would be good for weddings, when a person doesn't have the time needed to spend on each image.

Mar 26 09 05:33 pm Link

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Carlton Chong

Posts: 860

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

I love Portraiture 2 but damn it's either that or CS4 being buggy as heck! If I apply too many plugins etc to a single image and then try to run Portraiture, it's 99% guaranteed to crash out my CS4.  Never had this issue with CS3 which I might downgrade to over the weekend.

Mar 26 09 05:33 pm Link

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A_Nova_Photography

Posts: 8652

Winston-Salem, North Carolina, US

I use it for any job that I'm not getting paid to do or isn't going to print... You need to make sure that you don't overdo it, export it back into PS as a new layer and as a transparency and that you lower the opacity. It's also a smart idea to put a layer mask on it and mask out the eyes, lips or anything else you want to retain sharpness in. It will tend to grab comparable colors but they are easily masked back out... It works much better than straight blurring the skin...

What it's actually doing is grabbing the skin color just like you'd do if you were to select color range, but it's going to the further steps of making a blur layer and also making you the unblurred layer that you'd set to soft light and run a high pass on to get the pores and texture back.. You also have options like tint and contrast that you can further do with adjustment layers, but you're paying for the ease of doing it in one spot with a few clicks...

Unless someone is paying me high dollars to dodge and burn on the pixel level or the photo is going in my print book, Portrature works just fine....

Mar 26 09 05:59 pm Link

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Eddy Torigoe

Posts: 478

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Good god, the samples on the website are horrendous. hmm

Mar 26 09 06:37 pm Link

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Neil vN

Posts: 211

Wayne, New Jersey, US

Goldenangel Photography wrote:
It can be excellent if used in moderation. IT has many settings that control how it is applied. Alternatively, you can use the default setting and perhaps adjust the opacity of the layer where it is applied, or for more, control, use the layer mask to control where it is applied and how much. I find it very helpful.

Exactly.

You don't HAVE to use it at 100% .. which is why some of the others here have made remarks about the plastic look.

Anyway, for me, Portraiture is an essential part of retouching.
My advice? Get it!  smile

Mar 26 09 07:12 pm Link

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Steve Alkok

Posts: 399

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

It's great for evening out the skin tones on models with blotchy skin. If you turn the fine and medium detail sliders all the way down you keep the detail in the skin.

Mar 26 09 10:25 pm Link

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William R MacLeod Jr

Posts: 145

New York, New York, US

Cardillo Photography wrote:
i am cosidering adding this to my arsenal.  Any thought or comments on this plugin?

Better to use a good MUA. While it's a "good" plugin for occasional use, the problem is that many photographers use the default settings, and use them too much!
I HATE models that look plastic!

If you wind up getting it, play with it for a while before you use it on anything important, so you know it's limitations and abilities.

Mar 27 09 07:15 am Link

Photographer

Inquisitive Images

Posts: 579

Adelaide, South Australia, Australia

I don't agree entirely on how this plug-in works, nor do I like the results they have on their website..

However,
I'll give them credit for the way it's set up and the way it works..

Would've taken ages to put together a plug in like that.. Especially since it's based around another program..

Mar 27 09 07:18 am Link

Photographer

Inquisitive Images

Posts: 579

Adelaide, South Australia, Australia

Carlton Chong wrote:
I love Portraiture 2 but damn it's either that or CS4 being buggy as heck! If I apply too many plugins etc to a single image and then try to run Portraiture, it's 99% guaranteed to crash out my CS4.  Never had this issue with CS3 which I might downgrade to over the weekend.

CS4 Is buggy as hell.

I only recently upgraded to CS3 because I've been using CS2 Forever and never had problems.. Waiting till CS4 was released, then got CS3...

Basically,
With photoshop.. I've learnt that if you stay behind them by 1 product, you'll be practically bug free..

If you always go with the newer product, it's always going to be buggy.

Mar 27 09 07:20 am Link

Photographer

School Of Make-Up

Posts: 23

Stockport, England, United Kingdom

I tried this and other similar, and to be honest, I went back to manual.

Can't beat a good graphics tablet and a good beat in the background when retouching!

Mar 27 09 07:21 am Link