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Tog

Posts: 55204

Birmingham, Alabama, US

I know a lot of you have got them from the threads crowing about yer new toys (and I'm right there with ya.. It's shiny and fun..)

Just thought a thread on shooting/metering tips for Alien Bees new ring light might be useful... Or at least pass some time..

Jul 20 07 11:23 am Link

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Mr-Photographer

Posts: 316

Austin, Texas, US

for now, it's mounted on the light stand for ease of use, i wish the "handle" was more ergonomic, ya know?

What kind of camera do you use and how do you trigger you ABR?

Jul 20 07 12:13 pm Link

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Tog

Posts: 55204

Birmingham, Alabama, US

Georges S wrote:
for now, it's mounted on the light stand for ease of use, i wish the "handle" was more ergonomic, ya know?

What kind of camera do you use and how do you trigger you ABR?

Canon Rebel XTi (and Rebel D2)..  Right now I'm using a hotshoe adapter, but it makes it a pain to meter (my meter has a pocket wizard transmitter)..  It sounds ridiculous, but I'm contemplating strapping the receiver next to the transmitter just so I can meter it the same way I meter the rest of my lights.. (Also, so I can trigger all the lights in tandem for more complicated setups)..

Looking forward to the arrival of the Vagabond 2..

Oh, and for ease of use I mounted a Bogen R0 bracket to the mount plate so that I could clip my camera on just like I do to my tripod.. (Yes, I use lowbrow equipment..)

Jul 20 07 12:33 pm Link

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Gibson Photo Art

Posts: 7990

Phoenix, Arizona, US

I put mine on a tripod with wireless triggers. This way I can meter if I choose to do so.

The whole unit is a little tough to handle if not on a tripod. Metering is a problem obviously if the distance from the model changes. The if you are shooting outdoors there is a new set of issues to deal with.

Jul 20 07 01:23 pm Link

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WGR Photo Retouching

Posts: 1376

Austin, Indiana, US

Gibson Photo Art wrote:
I put mine on a tripod with wireless triggers. This way I can meter if I choose to do so.

The whole unit is a little tough to handle if not on a tripod. Metering is a problem obviously if the distance from the model changes. The if you are shooting outdoors there is a new set of issues to deal with.

Does make it interesting, though..

Jul 20 07 01:28 pm Link

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Trent Chau Photography

Posts: 611

Alpharetta, Georgia, US

I mount mine on my tripod with a ball head, it allows me almost all the freedom I want with a steadier support.

3001pro bogen, nothing special but it really helps.

Jul 20 07 01:41 pm Link

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WGR Photo Retouching

Posts: 1376

Austin, Indiana, US

Trent Chau wrote:
I mount mine on my tripod with a ball head, it allows me almost all the freedom I want with a steadier support.

3001pro bogen, nothing special but it really helps.

What's the mounting set up for tripod? (Got mine on a light stand at the moment..)

God, they're gonna make me read the instructions, I just know it..

Jul 20 07 01:47 pm Link

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Gibson Photo Art

Posts: 7990

Phoenix, Arizona, US

PROZAiC Studios wrote:

What's the mounting set up for tripod? (Got mine on a light stand at the moment..)

God, they're gonna make me read the instructions, I just know it..

Should be the same as putting on a stand. But depending on the head you have on there will allow you to pan and tilt.

Jul 20 07 02:07 pm Link

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Gibson Photo Art

Posts: 7990

Phoenix, Arizona, US

I'm including the PM WG and were having.

WG Rowland
It's not something I can self test because it blocks the remote trigger on my camera (so I can't focus)..

Which leaves me little room to test..

Wondering things like relative distance for halo shadows and the eyecandy catchlights everyone loves so much..

And all sorts of curiosity for outdoor stuff.. But no Vagabond yet, so no rush there

GPA:
Why not just use the timer? Mark off some distances and see what effect you get.

The catch lights only appear with a modifier like the moonunit. I have it and it works well, but makes it so much more difficult to handle.

Jul 20 07 02:09 pm Link

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Max Johnson

Posts: 178

San Jose, California, US

Since I spent all my money on the ringlight itself, I can't afford a flash-meter... So do what I do: Guesstimate, then take a digital shot and readjust based on the historgram readout. It takes a little time, but it's all I got...

Jul 20 07 02:14 pm Link

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WGR Photo Retouching

Posts: 1376

Austin, Indiana, US

Max Johnson wrote:
Since I spent all my money on the ringlight itself, I can't afford a flash-meter... So do what I do: Guesstimate, then take a digital shot and readjust based on the historgram readout. It takes a little time, but it's all I got...

Nevah!

Sorry, but histograms skew horribly with the background.. I shoot on black.. I shoot on white.. Same settings (and correct metering) produce VASTLY different histograms..

Jul 20 07 02:31 pm Link

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House of Indulgence

Posts: 585

New York, New York, US

I use a 15' synch cord and attach it from my light meter to the light. The light I put on the tripod and then I meter the light. I like shooting f11. Then I tape mark the floor to make sure I know where my distance is when shooting. I hand hold the sucker wihout the handle attachment. I have to read the instructions everytime I pull that thing out. I wish the handle was a snap on/off type dealy.

Focusing is a pain. But once I get it sharp I leave it. That is also why I have the floor taped.

Oh, I have it coed synched from camera to ABR800. I use the small jober it comes with. Well, I did. Untill I lost it. sad

I don't go outside. I need too this summer. To get food and stuff. Or visit real people. Other than photographers, models and MUAs. At least that is what the online psychologist tells me....

LOL!!!!!!!!!

-S

Jul 20 07 02:33 pm Link

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Dave Mullins

Posts: 1775

Nashua, New Hampshire, US

Do the same thing Minox did. Minox cameras came with a two foot chain  attached. Along the chain are some small beads.  They are located at 8", 10", 12", 18" and 24".
This would allow you to set the focus on the camera while photographing documents.

Tie a string to your light with knots at each F-stop distance at full power. So now you know what f-stop to use at each knot. Adjust the power and aperture from there to get what you want.

This can be done with regular lights too. Just borrow someone's light meter and make strings up for your lights. Different modifiers? use a different color string.

Malodave

Jul 20 07 05:46 pm Link

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Manuel Rego

Posts: 1954

Worcester, Massachusetts, US

I trigger my ABR800 using a pocketwizard transceiver attached to my hotshoe (and a 1/8" to 1/8" mono cable connecting the pocketwizard directly to the flash.  In other words, the pocketwizard acts like an overglorified hotshoe adapter).  Doing it this way, any other lights I may use are perfectly synced to the ring flash.  I can also just hand my Sekonic light meter (w/pocketwizard module) to the model and have her pop the flash for me to take a reading. smile

Jul 21 07 03:15 am Link

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Gregory Storm

Posts: 595

Burbank, California, US

W.G. Rowland wrote:
I know a lot of you have got them from the threads crowing about yer new toys (and I'm right there with ya.. It's shiny and fun..)

Just thought a thread on shooting/metering tips for Alien Bees new ring light might be useful... Or at least pass some time..

Georges S wrote:
for now, it's mounted on the light stand for ease of use, i wish the "handle" was more ergonomic, ya know?

What kind of camera do you use and how do you trigger you ABR?

Funny you should ask because I just started a thread asking about the wireless transmitters on ebay because I'm looking for an additional way to trigger the ABR800.

I use a Canon 300D with the camera on full manual and set the shutter and change the f/stop accordingly by eyeballing the situation.  I trigger the ring flash using the EX430 set to manual (ETTL won't work) at 1/64.

This image was ISO200 at 1/125 f/8
https://img9.modelmayhem.com/070720/22/46a17f2c5e3cf_m.jpg

This image was ISO100 at 1/200 f/16
https://img9.modelmayhem.com/070720/05/46a08b44c4cc1_m.jpg

Both of the above images had it mounted on a tripod.

I have tried to use it hand-held while walking through an event and it wasn't that bad, but trying to walk through a crowded area with the moon unit attached is not advisable.

By the way, I don't have the Vagabond.  I bought the Innovatronix Explorer 1200.  It was only $249 and I had it like two days later.  That thing is awesome and come in real handy.  I used it for the second photo.

Jul 21 07 03:32 am Link