trish wrote:

*STANDING OVATION!!*

Thank you
**bows**

yourphotographer wrote:
Only fools will engage in fighting. You said I must live a very sad life. My response was the problem with your attitude meaning that you took a defensive mode and attacked with saying I must live a very sad life.

Go back to the womb of your mother, because you are not yet ready for the World, because there are many things that you need to understand before taking a defensive attitude. First one is to ask for clarification from someone you think has maimed you.

You felt so maimed that you even started a topic on it without including everything I wrote to you. The problem is with that, once you have people coming to your defense without knowing the full message, it is like trying to stop a snowball rolling down the hill. It just continues to build and build into it crashes into something or runs out of energy.

Would that be something like someone sending an email about how lousy you are at post production work but are decent at photographing fallen trees?

FootNote Photography wrote:
i will be happy to look at all your bewbs and tell you how purdy they are.

Oh yea, that`s something you wanna be known for saying to a 17 year old girl on MM.

-thumbs up- Good jobbbb -rolls eyes-

Reven wrote:

Breasts are like every other body part they come in different shapes for different people.  I have seen girls at 18 with long flat saggy pancakes for breasts and they have always worn bras so it was not their own doing.  I prefer to be braless and mine look nothing like there's did.  It is genetics.  Younger women who have not had children have a better chance of being perky but it is not a guarantee.  This is a sensitive area that it would be best avoided.

You are very kind to explain it to me, since I was very ignorant with the development of breasts. I will also take your suggestion and avoid mentioning breasts because I did not know it was such a sensitive issue.

I certainly hope that the young girl can understand that not every man understands what you have explained to me, and if there is a next time of receiving a message like I sent, that she will either not reply, or reply explaining about the female anatomy.

Paul Ferris  wrote:

It could be worse. You could be a 37 year old man with saggy boobs!

I`m Thirty FI........um, oh.ok

Sientje wrote:
Look what someone oh so kindly decided to leave in my inbox:

"In one of your photos, it shows part of your breast. My question is it shows your breasts are sagging, and you have your age as 17 years old. I don't know to much about these things, but if you are really 17 years old, aren't they suppose to still be firm until you get older."


I wish I had my mommy.

He obviously doesn't know very much and hasn't seen very many breasts.  I don't see how he can say that from viewing that photo.  Ignore him!

A slice of oblivion wrote:

Would that be something like someone sending an email about how lousy you are at post production work but are decent at photographing fallen trees?

The analogy is wrong with that, but I do agree that I am lousy at post production work, but very good at what I do as a business. With homicides, accidents, fires, abductions, international drug bust, etc., there is no post production allowed, except for blurring the faces of certain people such as undercover agents or minors.

I can't comment on your work, because I don't understand it. Now that doesn't mean I am insulting your work, it only means what I wrote. I just don't understand it.

Jerry Nemeth wrote:

He obviously doesn't know very much and hasn't seen very many breasts.  I don't see how he can say that from viewing that photo.  Ignore him!

You are right on both counts. I do not do nude work, or have I had many girlfriends so I haven't seen a lot of breasts. On the second count, I hope she does exactly that.... Ignore me.

Venustas Photography wrote:
What this comes down to is:
The "photographer"'s comment was not constructive criticism as telling a girl her breasts droop is only going to give her a complex and is not something she can easily change without surgery that she may not want.

If it is a major issue then she just wont get certain contracts... but other companies might be looking for a more natural beauty and she may well fit the bill on that one. Telling her your opinion does nothing to help her and is purely a negative that should have been kept to yourself.

You are absolutely correct, and Reven has done a beautiful job at explaining everything to me.

yourphotographer wrote:

You are very kind to explain it to me, since I was very ignorant with the development of breasts. I will also take your suggestion and avoid mentioning breasts because I did not know it was such a sensitive issue.

I certainly hope that the young girl can understand that not every man understands what you have explained to me, and if there is a next time of receiving a message like I sent, that she will either not reply, or reply explaining about the female anatomy.

You didn't know that criticizing a woman's body would be offensive, that looking older than you are is a "sensitive issue?" Do you live in an alternate universe where people don't have feelings and it's acceptable to ask a 17-year old girl a question about her boobs and her age? Good lord, your defense is making me think you are less intelligent than before.

Devon Marie wrote:
I'm sorry, but the rest of the message didn't make up for the first part if it was an unsolicited comment. If she asked, "Are my boobs saggy?" then the comment would have been appropriate.
Stick to photographing trees.
Be careful, though.
Even trees sag.

Hot,,,,,coffee,,,,,,,,,,,spewing from,,,,,,,,,nose,,,,,oww

Devon Marie wrote:

You didn't know that criticizing a woman's body would be offensive, that looking older than you are is a "sensitive issue?" Do you live in an alternate universe where people don't have feelings and it's acceptable to ask a 17-year old girl a question about her boobs and her age? Good lord, your defense is making me think you are less intelligent than before.

My Goodness.....ridiclous!!

yourphotographer wrote:

I'm the boob that wrote that since you aren't suppose to out people. I think it was a fair question to ask since it did show sagging and I have not met anyone who sagged at such a young age, so I was matching age with sagging which now seems to be has no relation.

The wonderful thing about humans is how each one is unique - there's such a great range and in reality there is no such thing as "normal," only average.

In this case, I don't think it was a "fair question." What on earth did you hope to gain by it?

Do you really think she is that much older? I don't believe so, but even if she was - so what? It is very unlikely any of us would make a life changing decision based on someone understating their age - and that is the only reason anyone should be worried about what someone else says online.

Mark Fortenberry wrote:
I personally believe that US Americans that don't have boobs such as in Iraq and everywhere such as............ Oppps sorry wrong answer.

HAHAHA!
Good one.

Mark Fortenberry wrote:
I personally believe that US Americans that don't have boobs such as in Iraq and everywhere such as............ Oppps sorry wrong answer.

What a jerk the person was to the OP.

Did not mean to be a jerk, or do I think after reading all of what I wrote, would it be considered coming from a jerk to anyone who would read into it.

Reven wrote:

Breasts are like every other body part they come in different shapes for different people.  I have seen girls at 18 with long flat saggy pancakes for breasts and they have always worn bras so it was not their own doing.  I prefer to be braless and mine look nothing like there's did.  It is genetics.  Younger women who have not had children have a better chance of being perky but it is not a guarantee.  This is a sensitive area that it would be best avoided.

True!  I have seen some long flat saggy pancakes.

Sientje wrote:
Look what someone oh so kindly decided to leave in my inbox:

"In one of your photos, it shows part of your breast. My question is it shows your breasts are sagging, and you have your age as 17 years old. I don't know to much about these things, but if you are really 17 years old, aren't they suppose to still be firm until you get older."


I wish I had my mommy.

Whoever wrote you this is prolly used to fake boobs.  Don't pay attention to them.

yourphotographer wrote:

Did not mean to be a jerk, or do I think after reading all of what I wrote, would it be considered coming from a jerk to anyone who would read into it.

I was not referring to you yourphotograher > I was talking to the OP from the beginning of the post. The one with the saggy breast problem.

Speers Photography wrote:

The wonderful thing about humans is how each one is unique - there's such a great range and in reality there is no such thing as "normal," only average.

In this case, I don't think it was a "fair question." What on earth did you hope to gain by it?

Do you really think she is that much older? I don't believe so, but even if she was - so what? It is very unlikely any of us would make a life changing decision based on someone understating their age - and that is the only reason anyone should be worried about what someone else says online.

I don't understand the need to add a bit of philosophy into your reply, but I will mention that normal is based on the norm which is based on what the general consensus is among the masses.

If I wrote the message with no intent to gain information, then what was my intent in the second paragraph. Was it reconciliation for something I thought was bad of asking with a comparison?

Mark Fortenberry wrote:

I was not referring to you yourphotograher > I was talking to the OP from the beginning of the post. The one with the saggy breast problem.

He IS the "jerk" that made the comment. So, yes, you were talking about him. Now, try to keep up everyone.

Mark Fortenberry wrote:

I was not referring to you yourphotograher > I was talking to the OP from the beginning of the post. The one with the saggy breast problem.

That is a good example of how people can confuse things through a message board. I obviously confused what you wrote. I do have a question, and I hope it does not lead into another post, but what does "OP" mean, and also I have noticed >3 being used. What does that mean too.

Devon Marie wrote:

He IS the "jerk" that made the comment. So, yes, you were talking about him. Now, try to keep up everyone.

Alright, now I was not the one lost this time. Thank you Wisconsin for bringing us back into the forum.

Alright, for anyone who is following this, I am yourphotographer, and I am also know as the "Jerk", which is not to be confused with the Stever Martin movie, The Jerk.

yourphotographer wrote:

Alright, now I was not the one lost this time. Thank you Wisconsin for bringing us back into the forum.

Alright, for anyone who is following this, I am yourphotographer, and I am also know as the "Jerk", which is not to be confused with the Stever Martin movie, The Jerk.

You *could* stop while you`e ahead, or rather before you get further behind. I mean, who is the one getting defensive now?Ya know, that thing you said the OP was doing that made you say she had a bad tude?

yourphotographer wrote:
Only fools will engage in fighting. You said I must live a very sad life. My response was the problem with your attitude meaning that you took a defensive mode and attacked with saying I must live a very sad life.

Go back to the womb of your mother, because you are not yet ready for the World, because there are many things that you need to understand before taking a defensive attitude. First one is to ask for clarification from someone you think has maimed you.

You felt so maimed that you even started a topic on it without including everything I wrote to you. The problem is with that, once you have people coming to your defense without knowing the full message, it is like trying to stop a snowball rolling down the hill. It just continues to build and build into it crashes into something or runs out of energy.

Dude, from one man to another... you are not only acting immature, but you are behaving downright nasty!
SHE never outed you, nor cried that she had been "maimed", nor said anything in public about what she thought of you... much less tell you to "go back to the womb!" Shame on you for acting like a 10-year old spoiled brat who is just not understood.
She did, however, post an anonymous excerpt from a message, ending it with a bit of humorous sarcasm about the ludicrousness of questioning her age because of "saggy breasts" which by the way, are NOT saggy.

yourphotographer wrote:

That is a good example of how people can confuse things through a message board. I obviously confused what you wrote. I do have a question, and I hope it does not lead into another post, but what does "OP" mean, and also I have noticed >3 being used. What does that mean too.

"OP" means, I believe literally, Original Poster, meaning the person who started the thread. Known to you today as "The Offended Girl."

yourphotographer wrote:

You are right on both counts. I do not do nude work, or have I had many girlfriends so I haven't seen a lot of breasts. On the second count, I hope she does exactly that.... Ignore me.

If you don't do nude work and you haven't seen a lot of breasts it's probably not a very wise decision to throw out a critique at a photo that contains either.
 
Looking at the photo, and other similiar shots, you really need to take into consideration the movement going on in the shot and/or the pose.  You could take a photo of someone with 0% body fat with a totally flat stomach and if they are turned in a certain pose, you will get what looks like rolls of skin even though they aren't there normally.....

sdsteve wrote:
well i couldnt tell..i would need yopu to take off your top and let the world see them

Primal Lens wrote:
Look at the nude model in my portfolio. The one posing on/around lots of boulders and such. She was 19 when those were shot.It`s normal.

Thank you for the example. I certainly have learned a lot from this experience. Not trying to kiss up to anyone, but nice work with that model.

sdsteve wrote:
well i couldnt tell..i would need yopu to take off your top and let the world see them

She is "17"!!

Primal Lens wrote:

You *could* stop while you`e ahead, or rather before you get further behind. I mean, who is the one getting defensive now?Ya know, that thing you said the OP was doing that made you say she had a bad tude?

Now this is a good example of taking the time to explain something. I am not angry, mad, feel I need to defend myself, or anything remotely close.

I did notice that I should have not used "know". I meant to write "known".

The problem with message boards is they don't show emotion, except for those cute smiley faces or putting up a so people know what you are feeling.

So here goes my emotiong for this thread, LOL

Devon Marie wrote:

He IS the "jerk" that made the comment. So, yes, you were talking about him. Now, try to keep up everyone.

Sorry I missed that........ might be the Icehouse's


Have a safe weekend.

Mark

Devon Marie wrote:

"OP" means, I believe literally, Original Poster, meaning the person who started the thread. Known to you today as "The Offended Girl."

richard boswell wrote:
wow i thought this would have happened long before page 2 ...

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same here