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Nikki the pixel NiNja
Posts: 1,656
Montpelier, Ohio, US


ei Total Productions wrote:
I am just curious about something.  I am seeing more and more models, under 18, adding the words "No Nudes" or other similar phrases to their profiles. 

My question is why would they need that?  I understand why older models do, but are teen models getting that many offers for nude work that they need to make it clear they won't accept nude offers?  Does that also mean that some teen models on this site are doing nude work?

Alan

if they dont wanna get nekkid then they dont wanna get nekkid
why should it bother anyone that they clarify that?
(and yes alot of men dont care about the age as long as the boobs are well developed)

Jul 30 09 11:43 am  Link  Quote 
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M A B
Posts: 6,504
Richmond, Virginia, US


Greg Kolack wrote:

"Vulnerable underage boobies"?

That sounds almost Shakespearean...

"Hark, bring into mine chamber your vulnerable underage boobies..."

lol
Absolutely brilliant, Greg!

I'm going to be thinking about this while at dress rehearsal tonight. Coincidentally, for Shakespeare. tongue

Jul 30 09 11:54 am  Link  Quote 
Model
MYS Britt
Posts: 10,720
San Diego, California, US


are teen models getting that many offers for nude work that they need to make it clear they won't accept nude offers?

yes
Jul 30 09 11:57 am  Link  Quote 
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Air Portraits
Posts: 53
Munich, Bavaria, Germany


while an interesting thread, I also wonder if it is in some cases a simple desire from them to be clear. In the same way that some models also spell out what someone should write when contacting them, or how some go into detail about not being here for dating and various other humorous things. I tend to associate it with newness, but perhaps it is also representative of the other issues discussed.

Having lived in the US and in GB and now in Germany, I do tend to find the US a bit more worried about the issue.

With so many movies and other media sources as well as parents and other adults bombarding children with sexual messages - overt or otherwise - and kids having sex younger and younger, I don't find the issue of them posing very surprising.

I think I read something Yaaaahooooo recently where the average age of loosing virginity is around 15 or 16 for girls. The AVERAGE! Make one think.
Jul 30 09 12:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Greg Kolack
Posts: 17,684
Downers Grove, Illinois, US


pandorea wrote:

if they dont wanna get nekkid then they dont wanna get nekkid
why should it bother anyone that they clarify that?
(and yes alot of men dont care about the age as long as the boobs are well developed)

There's 1.

Greg Kolack wrote:
It will be fun to see how many people reply to the very first post in this thread with checking the date or reading beyond the first post...

Jul 30 09 12:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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Greg Kolack
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Downers Grove, Illinois, US


G Anderson Photo wrote:

I don't even bother reading the manuals to my cameras or GPS.   You are asking me to read THAT far down the rules on MM?  LOL

It could keep you from being brigged.

Jul 30 09 12:23 pm  Link  Quote 
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Greg Kolack
Posts: 17,684
Downers Grove, Illinois, US


MYS Britt  wrote:
are teen models getting that many offers for nude work that they need to make it clear they won't accept nude offers?

yes

There's 2.

Jul 30 09 12:23 pm  Link  Quote 
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Greg Kolack
Posts: 17,684
Downers Grove, Illinois, US


Morgan Barbour wrote:

lol
Absolutely brilliant, Greg!

I'm going to be thinking about this while at dress rehearsal tonight. Coincidentally, for Shakespeare. tongue

Are you playing a wench...? In which case, that line would be appropriate.

Jul 30 09 12:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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Sim Jennings
Posts: 462
London, England, United Kingdom


G Anderson Photo wrote:

I don't even bother reading the manuals to my cameras or GPS.   You are asking me to read THAT far down the rules on MM?  LOL

Agreed

Jul 30 09 06:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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Sim Jennings
Posts: 462
London, England, United Kingdom


Greg Kolack wrote:

pandorea wrote:
if they dont wanna get nekkid then they dont wanna get nekkid
why should it bother anyone that they clarify that?
(and yes alot of men dont care about the age as long as the boobs are well developed)

There's 1.


NOT TRUE.. i once heard about this tog who is still on MM who pinned up a 16 year old male model and asked him to take off his clothes.. (i agree rumors spread and gather in their ferocity)

Jul 30 09 06:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jouissance Images
Posts: 744
Bloomington, Minnesota, US


John Jebbia wrote:

It all depends how much money you have for legal battles. I, frankly would rather spend my money on new lenses and stuff like that.

They may not beat you in the courtroom, but they'll beat you in the wallet.

Can't argue with that.  And the first thing they'll seize to hang you out to dry for purveying kiddy porn will be the images on your computer, or the images you thought were not on your computer but still can be reconstructed from your harddrive by any decent crime lab.

Jul 30 09 06:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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Extreme Body Art
Posts: 4,932
West Jordan, Utah, US


nathan combs wrote:
it is DECUSTING to wont to photo some one under age nude i ALLWAS look at the age and RESPET it

Wow... I can't believe this statement...

Are you that in tuned that you can look at a picture of a girl and know for certain that she/he is over 18?

I could probablly list a few photos and if you didn't go to the profile you would know know if they were 18 or not.

Edit: I am sure someone may have said something about this.. but when I see someone make a statement like this.. it makes me upset.

Some girls mature faster than others... I have seen girls that are 29 that I had to see their ID to make sure they were over 18.. then I have seen others where I'm glad I did get their ID because I thought for damn sure they were 18+

Jul 30 09 07:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lumigraphics
Posts: 32,655
Detroit, Michigan, US


Morgan Barbour wrote:

G Anderson Photo wrote:
I have some very simple advice on this to photographers.  If you shoot nudes with models (over 18), do NOT shoot with underage models under ANY circumstances.
That may sound extreme, but if you knew the cops view on this as I have experienced and heard from other photographers, you would take it seriously.

Dude, listen to Lumi; he knows what he's talking about.
I have worked with photographers who shoot nudes.
They never asked for me to reveal my vulnerable underage boobies. wink

Wicked! Er, uh, I mean, you'll be 18 soon enough tongue

Jul 30 09 08:04 pm  Link  Quote 
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Andrew Keshan
Posts: 131
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


I think it's a 'trend', because they have seen other models put it in BOLD TYPE on their profiles... just the same as there was a 'trend' of models puting their ages ridiculously and obviously high... eg  190yo.
Jul 30 09 08:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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Greg Kolack
Posts: 17,684
Downers Grove, Illinois, US


Simon Jennings wrote:
NOT TRUE.. i once heard about this tog who is still on MM who pinned up a 16 year old male model and asked him to take off his clothes.. (i agree rumors spread and gather in their ferocity)

Yes - you heard about it.

Careful with the rumors.

Jul 30 09 08:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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Greg Kolack
Posts: 17,684
Downers Grove, Illinois, US


nathan combs wrote:
it is DECUSTING to wont to photo some one under age nude i ALLWAS look at the age and RESPET it
Extreme Body Art wrote:
Wow... I can't believe this statement...

Are you that in tuned that you can look at a picture of a girl and know for certain that she/he is over 18?

I could probablly list a few photos and if you didn't go to the profile you would know know if they were 18 or not.

Edit: I am sure someone may have said something about this.. but when I see someone make a statement like this.. it makes me upset.

Some girls mature faster than others... I have seen girls that are 29 that I had to see their ID to make sure they were over 18.. then I have seen others where I'm glad I did get their ID because I thought for damn sure they were 18+

I'm impressed you were able to decipher that.

Jul 30 09 08:23 pm  Link  Quote 
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Erin Holmes
Posts: 6,341
Albuquerque, New Mexico, US


nathan combs wrote:
it is DECUSTING to wont to photo some one under age nude i ALLWAS look at the age and RESPET it

lol

Jul 30 09 08:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Sylvester Photography
Posts: 125
Huntsville, Alabama, US


when photoshoot and they want nudes ask for ID ID ID ID ID
Jul 30 09 08:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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n_r_v photography
Posts: 982
Atlanta, Georgia, US


ei Total Productions wrote:

I find that a little bit disturbing.  Maybe some of the younger models who have that can tell us why they felt it was necessary.

Either photographers cant read the age or they dont care. I know models who get approached for nude when it says they are under 18.

Therefore, the need to say non-nude.

Jul 30 09 09:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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GPS Studio Services
Posts: 34,755
San Francisco, California, US


ei Total Productions wrote:
I find that a little bit disturbing.  Maybe some of the younger models who have that can tell us why they felt it was necessary.
n_r_v photography wrote:
Either photographers cant read the age or they dont care. I know models who get approached for nude when it says they are under 18.

Therefore, the need to say non-nude.

This is an old thread that we discussed years ago, but ... for the record, I understand what you are say.  The question though really was "why?"   If you are old enough to take a picture you are old enough to read the model's age.  Beyond that you have to convince me that most of these guys don't understand that know that the models are under age.

Jul 30 09 09:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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JJ Art
Posts: 1,330
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


n_r_v photography wrote:
Either photographers cant read the age or they dont care. I know models who get approached for nude when it says they are under 18.

Therefore, the need to say non-nude.
ei Total Productions wrote:
This is an old thread that we discussed years ago, but ... for the record, I understand what you are say.  The question though really was "why?"   If you are old enough to take a picture you are old enough to read the model's age.  Beyond that you have to convince me that most of these guys don't understand that know that the models are under age.

I fall under the "don't care" category.  I have yet to personally conceive of an artwork that requires a youthful nude model, but should I do so, it doesn't matter to me what age the model is so long as they meet the look I'm going for.

It is neither illegal nor immoral, so ... I don't care what someone else's prudish views on the matter are.

Jul 30 09 09:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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Josh Gallo
Posts: 563
Los Angeles, California, US


I had a mother contact me the other day asking if I would photograph her and her 17 and 15 year old daughters together nude.

... I haven't responded yet.
Jul 30 09 09:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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Karl JW Johnston
Posts: 9,400
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Josh Gallo wrote:
I had a mother contact me the other day asking if I would photograph her and her 17 and 15 year old daughters together nude.

... I haven't responded yet.

I'll do it for you:

Fuck. No.

Jul 31 09 12:18 am  Link  Quote 
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 5,948
New York, New York, US


There is a world of difference between that which is legal, or moral, or practical.  Indeed, the terms are often mutually contradictory.

Cases in point: 

Almost anything by Jock Sturges, stunningly beautiful images of nude boys and girls, men and women, from infancy through old age, with no sexual overtones of any sort.

Much of David Hamilton's work, stunningly beautiful images of young women, generally in the 16-18 year old range (sometimes appear younger), frankly erotic, often exploring the awakening sexuality of young women.

All are legal (though not everywhere).  The fact of publication says they are practical.  The morality of Hamilton's work as compared to Sturges's could spark some debate.

For myself, I find nothing objectionable in either artist's work.  I only wish I could accomplish what they do.  But from a practical point of view, I simply never shoot anyone under 18, ever!  Cowardly I admit, but relatively safe.  At least until I get hit with an age discrimination suit!
Jul 31 09 07:26 am  Link  Quote 
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WMcK
Posts: 5,245
Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom


ei Total Productions wrote:
I am just curious about something.  I am seeing more and more models, under 18, adding the words "No Nudes" or other similar phrases to their profiles. 

My question is why would they need that?  I understand why older models do, but are teen models getting that many offers for nude work that they need to make it clear they won't accept nude offers?  Does that also mean that some teen models on this site are doing nude work?

Alan

Because there are so many stupid and/or perverted photographers around. Some will always chance their arm.

Jul 31 09 07:32 am  Link  Quote 
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AD
Posts: 4,259
New York, New York, US


people dont read profiles. most probably dont look at age, and some probably dont care

so if a model will not do nude and wants to put it on her page to make it clear must mean she has gotten asked.
Jul 31 09 07:34 am  Link  Quote 
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rp_photo
Posts: 42,488
Houston, Texas, US


Christopher Hartman wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me if they are getting asked and/or photographers are not paying attention to age and just see a pretty face/body they want to see naked.

It wouldn't surprise me that photographers ask for things no matter how much the model says they won't or implies it.

Jul 31 09 07:34 am  Link  Quote 
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M A B
Posts: 6,504
Richmond, Virginia, US


Lumigraphics wrote:
Wicked! Er, uh, I mean, you'll be 18 soon enough tongue

Next fall, mate. big_smile
I mean...you nasty pervy photographer! tongue

Jul 31 09 08:06 am  Link  Quote 
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