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StephenEastwood
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Great Neck, New York, US
I know most of you will not read all the pages, but at least read the first page several important issues were addressed and added to fix most all issues, so read at least page one to see the various sides and get a fuller set of rules that are hard to argue about  I see this so damn often I have an easy solution, why must you have an escort? you feel better right? thats fine, means you have an issue with the photographer right or wrong and thats fine, why do photographers have issues with escorts? they think they get in the way, of either good work being done or their trying to seduce the model or whatever, thats fine. Models Bring An ASSISTANT! One that does make up or hair for you or answers your phone from the back room so you need not be interupted during the shoot by the ringing, IM'ing texting going on. A stylist maybe that helps you dress or undress whatever the case may be. What photographer has an issue with an assistant that has a function on a shoot? and if they do why? what exactly is their reasoning fo not wanting say a make up artist or hairstylist on the scene, on set maybe not but in the next room? no reason that would be terribly valid. Semantics? maybe but USE THEM! You do not want an escort, you need to bring your assistant or MUA, or Hair Stylist or wardrobe stylist to the shoot. Next, a common statement is check references, and while that certainly does help, in most instances the references are of models who were supplied by the photographer, gained from the photographers site, and on rare occassions found on a models site accidentally. These are usually positive, a photographer would not give you the name of a model to contact that will not give a positive reference, and most (not all of course) models will not be using shots from a photographer who they had a bad experience with, so you will not likely find the model on your own, instead you will be supplied models to check with by the photographer or find the random model who has their shots up from what was likely a good shoot. So checking those references does help, but its also usually a tad one sided. Same as a meeting before hand, say at a starbucks, obviously in a premeeting they can not be a total ass/perv. So what is truly expected from this other than getting a general vibe from the person? Is it a good thing to do? can't hurt, but I would not say its important and should not be a deal breaker since in todays society there is often not enough time to schedule premeetings for every model for every shoot. I strongly advise speaking on a phone to get a feel for the person, and this goes both ways.... I do not understand why this is so hard to figure out. Stephen Eastwood http://www.StephenEastwood.com OK commence arguments about how you are not a pervert and feel a make up artist would be the ruination of a photoshoot should they bring one.  Edit this was added since So for Photographers here is a perfect valid statement:
No escorts that have no verifiable valid function on a shoot, you may bring a MUA, hair stylist, Wardrobe Stylist, or valid assistant if they have valid proof that they are indeed able to fill that position and benefit the shoot, in fact this is encouraged. Please forward their portfolios to me so I can see whom you would be bringing and so we may work up any ideas we may have together.
Hows that?
Followed up with
No book, you can state that as a problem, and the model has the right to find another artist that has something. A book that you do not love? well that gets into a problem as you can hate everyone they show, so no book at all is justifiable, a book of decent but perhaps not great work should be allowed, and if the model insists you or her can agree to call it off. Negotiation is key.
also it has been mentioned and is very acceptable that it should be made clear that for safety and theft prevention anyone at the scene will have their ID photographed by the photographer in case anything goes missing afterwards.
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StephenEastwood
Posts: 19585
Great Neck, New York, US
This is why I rarely came into this forum, but now that I sort of have to to see whats going on and make sure things are not misplaced or breaking rules I am reading way too much of this BS Maybe Its getting to me. So for Photographers here is a perfect valid statement: No escorts that have no verifiable valid function on a shoot, you may bring a MUA, hair stylist, Wardrobe Stylist, or valid assistant if they have valid proof that they are indeed able to fill that position and benefit the shoot, in fact this is encouraged. Please forward their portfolios to me so I can see whom you would be bringing and so we may work up any ideas we may have together. Hows that? Stephen Eastwood http://www.StephenEastwood.com
Model
_ALMUR_
Posts: 3153
San Francisco, California, US
good idea!! however you know some girls are only going to feel "comfertable" with their boyfriend there...
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StephenEastwood
Posts: 19585
Great Neck, New York, US
Alexandria M. wrote:
good idea!! however you know some girls are only going to feel "comfertable" with their boyfriend there... than no shoot I can understand that point of view from a photographer, as a photographer I only feel comfortable with a real model there so they would be excluded anyway. On to the next one.
Stephen Eastwood
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SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
Alexandria M. wrote:
good idea!! however you know some girls are only going to feel "comfertable" with their boyfriend there... Which's why many of us say it's not usually the escort, but the attitude of the model who INSISTS on one.
Anyway, here're a couple of realistic and sensible sets of recommendations for models to stay safe when working off the net:
What is Due Diligence in the Internet Modeling and Photography Environment?, By Curt Burgess, PhotoworksWS
Safety In Internet Modeling, By James Glendinning/ SilverLight Esoterica Photography
Now models, ask yourselves this... if you've followed the safety tips in the above posts and you STILL feel the need for an escort, is going to that shoot REALLY a good idea?
Also, don't use bad logic when relying on an escort for safety. First, predators/perverts/freaks KNOW models use the escort question as a "litmus test" to judge if a photographer is "safe." We see models say "If I ask if I can have an escort & he says 'yes' I figure he's OK and don't take one." Photographers back this up & say "Since I tell them an escort's ok, 75%+ don't bring one!"
The flip side of that is "I take an escort for the FIRST shoot with someone."
Uh... if the freaks you're afraid of were really out there, don't you think they'd KNOW this & tell you an escort's OK, hoping you won't bring one, or behave for the first session?
Not to mention Bill Bradford, one of the VERY rare real world examples of a fake photographer who killed a model, also killed her ESCORT.
Relying SOLELY on escorts to keep you safe is a BAD idea and it's NO substitute for checking someone out.
Safety aside, escorts CANNOT protect you from flakes, jerks, liars, people who don't return photos, etc etc.
Notice I am NOT saying "don't use escorts," altho you won't be working with me if you insist on one.
I am just saying don't operate under false ideas that escorts will keep you safe from any danger or hassles & therefore you skip doing your homework.
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jahnhall
Posts: 1438
Brooklyn, New York, US
Well said.
I couldn't agree more.
A model's never concerned about a photographer's assistant so it's hard to imagine why a photographer would be so concerned about a model's assistant unless their intentions are a bit left of appropriate.
I prefer that the model bring an assistant. It can break the ice and levels the playing field a bit.
The added benefit?
I don't have to bring an extra tripod to hold the reflector.
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SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
Stephen, to answer your initial post, I & most of the other "no escort" photographers (I say most because there are some exceptions) generally agree that "no escort" doesn't mean "alone with the photographer."
I ALWAYS say I am HAPPY to compromise on a hair or makeup person PROVIDED I can see some sample of that person's skills.
If it's your unqualified friend from the MAC counter, I might have an issue, but if you want to work with me to find a local MUA we agree on or your friend has mad skills, I have no problem with it.
I just want to know about it up front & be able to check the person out, since this is an issue many models have advocated LYING about regarding who they're bringing & why.
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_ALMUR_
Posts: 3153
San Francisco, California, US
i agree with you guys. but every port ive read with " i will have an escort" its always a male/boy friend. along with the girls who need "drivers" their always the boyfriends. but this should help you weed them down
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4C 41 42
Posts: 11093
Nashville, Tennessee, US
StephenEastwood wrote:
OK commence arguments about how you are not a pervert and feel a make up artist would be the ruination of a photoshoot should they bring one. I don't have a problem with people who actually have a function and are adding something to the shoot. I would, however, object to a model handing her BF a lipstick and saying "Oh yeah.... did I tell you I was bringing a stylist with me?"
An actual makeup artist or stylist will have a portfolio, references, heck... maybe even a MM profile. Some dude who is there to monitor my behavior (regardless what the model calls him) would not.
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StephenEastwood
Posts: 19585
Great Neck, New York, US
Might I say I would only feelsafe and comfortable with the Marines recon there but only if the Navy Seals were on patrol outside. That is true I woudl feel safer, but they are not needed or justified on a photoshoot, an assistant especially one like an MUA/HS/WS is very useful. Stephen Eastwood http://www.StephenEastwood.com
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Gone Til Novus-ember
Posts: 11440
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
That's fine. I wouldn't have a problem with that if the assistant was actually skilled in what they were assisting in.
A MUA that can actually DO shoot make up. From a natural look to a creative, with an actual kit. Not just somebody that has more Covergirl products than you do.
A hairstylist that can actually STYLE hair. Not just some girl that have a flat iron.
A wardrobe stylist that actually brings wardrobe. And not just some things that the model and her share when they go to the club.
If you bring an assistant, make sure they are assisting. Don't just call them that to have an excuse to sneak your best friend/boyfriend/ cousin on set.
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StephenEastwood
Posts: 19585
Great Neck, New York, US
SLE Photography wrote:
If it's your unqualified friend from the MAC counter, I might have an issue, but if you want to work with me to find a local MUA we agree on or your friend has mad skills, I have no problem with it. Now I would argue that an unqualified person from the mac counter is no worse than they woudl be doing their own make up?
Stephen Eastwood
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SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
jahnhall wrote:
Well said.
I couldn't agree more.
A model's never concerned about a photographer's assistant so it's hard to imagine why a photographer would be so concerned about a model's assistant unless their intentions are a bit left of appropriate.
I prefer that the model bring an assistant. It can break the ice and levels the playing field a bit.
The added benefit?
I don't have to bring an extra tripod to hold the reflector. Ok, first the stock answer to the "assistant" thing:
- An "escort" is NOT an assistant. If you need an assistant, hire one or recruit a student from your local photography school or partner with another photographer to help each other out.
- An "escort" has NO training and so might botch the job or damage equipment, potentially deliberately or accidentally doing something like dropping a $150 reflector in a mud puddle. Assistants are there to work with the equipment.
- An "escort' has no stake in the shoot or listening to you, and so is apt to wander off in boredom or to answer a cell phone call right when you need them, or just not follow directions. An assistant is there for YOU.
- The "escort" might be tempted to "goof off" and do things like flash light from a reflector in a model's eyes, and putting the escort in the model's sight-line sets up the potential for distraction, seeking of "approval," or directions from the "escort". An assistant fades in to the background like a piece of equipment.
- An "escort" doesn't know what to watch for. Clothing out of sorts? Hair in the model's face? Bad reflection the photographer can't see? An "escort" won't notice, but the assistant should know what to look for and say something or jump in to fix it.
- By putting an "escort" to work you're risking TREMENDOUS insurance liability! If the "escort" burns a hand on a hot light bulb you could be ruined. An assistant should be covered under your policy & is less likely to file BS suits against you.
I SERIOUSLY question the professionalism & smarts of ANY photographer who's happy to have the model bring someone so the photographer can use that person as "free labor."
Beyond that, aside from an MUA or stylist models generally have NO NEED for an assistant & they're using that term as a COVER for someone who's really there as a bodyguard.
Again, I can show you NUMEROUS examples of people discussing how they lie about this or advocating that others lie about it to get boyfriends or husbands on the set.
Model
Lindsay_Nicole
Posts: 650
Westford, Massachusetts, US
like i said in a previous forum topic
i dont care who is there with me as long as someone else, that I know personally, is there.
As for that whole boyfriend coming to shoots thing...I would never even ask about bringing him unless of course the photographer requested...which the photographers im going to do a shoot in a week with did. So I am.
As far as I am concerned unless the person I bring is there to do my hair/makeup/etc. whoever comes along is to sit in a corner and read a book...if I have an issue I am perfectly vocal enough to stand up for myself.
note: I lay the law down with every person that attends a shoot with me prior to the shoot.
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SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
Alexandria M. wrote:
i agree with you guys. but every port ive read with " i will have an escort" its always a male/boy friend. along with the girls who need "drivers" their always the boyfriends. but this should help you weed them down Tha's USUALLY, but not ALWAYS true.
And I don't care if they want their BFs to drive as long as he understands that he can walk her in but then he's going to Starbucks or Borders while we shoot 
Drivers are fine, unwanted watchers on set are not.
Model
Alana Miles
Posts: 6459
Alma, Colorado, US
Im currently trying to become an assistant. Soooo if you want ME to come with you, do you hair and makeup, and tell you when you look like HAWT...let me know.
Xo
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StephenEastwood
Posts: 19585
Great Neck, New York, US
4C 41 42 wrote:
I don't have a problem with people who actually have a function and are adding something to the shoot. I would, however, object to a model handing her BF a lipstick and saying "Oh yeah.... did I tell you I was bringing a stylist with me?"
An actual makeup artist or stylist will have a portfolio, references, heck... maybe even a MM profile. Some dude who is there to monitor my behavior (regardless what the model calls him) would not. Bring a BF and saying they have a function they do not is a lie and should not be tolarated and that can easily be removed from the issue, if they are bringing an artist that artist shoudl have something to show before hand, portfolio, or a few polaroids or a pay stub from the mac counter.
Stephen Eastwood
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SLE Photography
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Orlando, Florida, US
StephenEastwood wrote:
Now I would argue that an unqualified person from the mac counter is no worse than they woudl be doing their own make up?
Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com See Novus' comment.
If their unqualified friend can't do makeup BETTER than the model could do herself, then she IS NOT THERE AS AN MUA. She is there as an escort with a BAD EXCUSE.
That's why I say "Show me the skills or compromise with me on a third party MUA who has them."
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StephenEastwood
Posts: 19585
Great Neck, New York, US
Gone Til Novus-ember wrote:
That's fine. I wouldn't have a problem with that if the assistant was actually skilled in what they were assisting in.
A MUA that can actually DO shoot make up. From a natural look to a creative, with an actual kit. Not just somebody that has more Covergirl products than you do.
A hairstylist that can actually STYLE hair. Not just some girl that have a flat iron.
A wardrobe stylist that actually brings wardrobe. And not just some things that the model and her share when they go to the club.
If you bring an assistant, make sure they are assisting. Don't just call them that to have an excuse to sneak your best friend/boyfriend/ cousin on set. agreed. That would be deceitful and grounds for cancellation if needed.
Stephen Eastwood
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SLE Photography
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Orlando, Florida, US
Linsy Nicole wrote:
like i said in a previous forum topic
i dont care who is there with me as long as someone else, that I know personally, is there.
As for that whole boyfriend coming to shoots thing...I would never even ask about bringing him unless of course the photographer requested...which the photographers im going to do a shoot in a week with did. So I am.
As far as I am concerned unless the person I bring is there to do my hair/makeup/etc. whoever comes along is to sit in a corner and read a book...if I have an issue I am perfectly vocal enough to stand up for myself.
note: I lay the law down with every person that attends a shoot with me prior to the shoot. Unless the person is there to do hair/makeup/etc there is no good reason for that person to be there.
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kataram studios
Posts: 1401
Boston, Massachusetts, US
I let people know bring a escort who knows to be quiet. . Also if needed i usually use that escort in some way to hold something or sometimes as a live prop in the photo itself. . As long as that person can come to watch and not say anythin to interrupt i am good with it. . Doin their makeup or hair would be nice too
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4C 41 42
Posts: 11093
Nashville, Tennessee, US
StephenEastwood wrote:
Bring a BF and saying they have a function they do not is a lie and should not be tolarated and that can easily be removed from the issue, if they are bringing an artist that artist shoudl have something to show before hand, portfolio, or a few polaroids or a pay stub from the mac counter.
Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com Agreed. There can be 100 people there if each and every one has something to add to the shoot. Having somebody half my age standing around waiting for an excuse to intervene is an indignity I'm not willing to suffer.
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StephenEastwood
Posts: 19585
Great Neck, New York, US
SLE Photography wrote:
Ok, first the stock answer to the "assistant" thing:
- An "escort" is NOT an assistant. If you need an assistant, hire one or recruit a student from your local photography school or partner with another photographer to help each other out.
- An "escort" has NO training and so might botch the job or damage equipment, potentially deliberately or accidentally doing something like dropping a $150 reflector in a mud puddle. Assistants are there to work with the equipment.
- An "escort' has no stake in the shoot or listening to you, and so is apt to wander off in boredom or to answer a cell phone call right when you need them, or just not follow directions. An assistant is there for YOU.
- The "escort" might be tempted to "goof off" and do things like flash light from a reflector in a model's eyes, and putting the escort in the model's sight-line sets up the potential for distraction, seeking of "approval," or directions from the "escort". An assistant fades in to the background like a piece of equipment.
- An "escort" doesn't know what to watch for. Clothing out of sorts? Hair in the model's face? Bad reflection the photographer can't see? An "escort" won't notice, but the assistant should know what to look for and say something or jump in to fix it.
- By putting an "escort" to work you're risking TREMENDOUS insurance liability! If the "escort" burns a hand on a hot light bulb you could be ruined. An assistant should be covered under your policy & is less likely to file BS suits against you.
I SERIOUSLY question the professionalism & smarts of ANY photographer who's happy to have the model bring someone so the photographer can use that person as "free labor."
Beyond that, aside from an MUA or stylist models generally have NO NEED for an assistant & they're using that term as a COVER for someone who's really there as a bodyguard.
Again, I can show you NUMEROUS examples of people discussing how they lie about this or advocating that others lie about it to get boyfriends or husbands on the set. I do not disagree with any of that, if they lie they get booted out.
Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com
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Gone Til Novus-ember
Posts: 11440
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
SLE Photography wrote:
See Novus' comment.
If their unqualified friend can't do makeup BETTER than the model could do herself, then she IS NOT THERE AS AN MUA. She is there as an escort with a BAD EXCUSE.
That's why I say "Show me the skills or compromise with me on a third party MUA who has them." Actually, if she can't do it better than whatever MUA I would have booked for the shoot, then they can't come under the guise of being a "make up artist"
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SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
Gone Til Novus-ember wrote:
Actually, if she can't do it better than whatever MUA I would have booked for the shoot, then they can't come under the guise of being a "make up artist" That's what I was trying to say
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MelissaLynnette LaDiva
Posts: 50816
Leawood, Kansas, US
Alexandria M. wrote:
good idea!! however you know some girls are only going to feel "comfertable" with their boyfriend there... I saw a chick do that a few months ago.
Told the photographer she was bringing her stylist, and it was just her boyfriend carrying her garment bags. He got sent home.
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Long Island Studios
Posts: 4162
Sayville, New York, US
Mr.Eastwood starting a shit storm? Now I have seen every thing on here. I tell them to bring anouther model with them. I have a good chance of getting a second shoot in and with any luck the other model can help fixing clothing and such so I can stay where I want to be, behind the lens.
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SLE Photography
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Orlando, Florida, US
NYC Nude Studios wrote:
Mr.Eastwood starting a shit storm? Now I have seen every thing on here. I tell them to bring anouther model with them. I have a good chance of getting a second shoot in and with any luck the other model can help fixing clothing and such so I can stay where I want to be, behind the lens. Didn't you see the rule that EVERY member must start at least one escort thread??
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StephenEastwood
Posts: 19585
Great Neck, New York, US
OK, I work in the real world where this is never an issue for us, but I am not blind to the issue that occurs on shoots, I understand not wanting an "escort" "boyfriend" etc, someone who is a distraction, in the way, in a rush, whatever. I also understand a new girl who is trying to be a model and scared by all the stories they hear and evil men and woman do, they may have even experinced some bad things along the way. So they feel more secure with someone there. No problem, Now get someone who has a place there to be there, paid or not. Solve the problem, its easy to say the photographer should get someone, yes they shoud, but that does not mean that its not murderer rapist number two so the model may not feel any better at all, they need to get someone a neutral third party or someone they have worked with before. Stephen Eastwood http://www.StephenEastwood.com
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StephenEastwood
Posts: 19585
Great Neck, New York, US
NYC Nude Studios wrote:
Mr.Eastwood starting a shit storm? Now I have seen every thing on here. I tell them to bring anouther model with them. I have a good chance of getting a second shoot in and with any luck the other model can help fixing clothing and such so I can stay where I want to be, behind the lens. Not a Shit Storm, a valid way to educate models on a better choice to make when they are feeling they need someone on set for any reason. Also a great tell if something is not right for what reason would a photograpehr attempting to do a good job have for not wanting someone who can make the shoot better if not to be alone?
Stephen Eastwoo
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Jean-Philippe
Posts: 397
Austin, Texas, US
Modeling is work (if you are experienced).
Modeling is school (if you are learning).
Husband/Boyfriends have nothing to do on a set. You would NOT bring your H/BF to school or to work (especially working in a bank).... would you?
Yes there are exceptions... but they are -exceptions-
Just like for any job: check references, and know what your job is and everyone will be okay. I can hear people already "What if someone is not behaving professionally or is harrassing". What would you do at work. Just step away/out and tell them that you are on the set to work. Fun is for after... and that you don't hang out. Husbands/Boyfriends have nothing to do with work.
Threatening situation: 911. Easy.
What else... Hubby, or your wannaboyfriend. Tell them that you are working. To pick you up after the shoot. If the cannot deal with that. Then there is issues unrelated with modeling.
In general if a model ask if she can bring a friend/bf/husband... you can tell already that she is either new to the industry or not serious about modeling.
Exceptions: sometimes models/artist may bring wannabe models/artists, it happens and I allow that. I also allow "restricted" public as long as it is controllable. It is up to the BOSS to decide (BOSS = the person that orchestrates the shoot or client that pays).
Here are a few more exceptions:
- accompanying people for blind people
- Mums/Agents for babies/toddlers/kids
- Owners for animals used during the shoot
- Cops if you are shooting expensive diamonds/jewelry
- your master if you are a slave....
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StephenEastwood
Posts: 19585
Great Neck, New York, US
And on a seprate note. This is not a free for all, Serious discussion ONLY
I will have another forum mod lock it if it gets off topic and goes astray. Stay on topic, polite and to the point! Stephen Eastwood http://www.StephenEastwood.com
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Jean-Philippe
Posts: 397
Austin, Texas, US
StephenEastwood wrote:
Now I would argue that an unqualified person from the mac counter is no worse than they woudl be doing their own make up?
Stephen Eastwood It's a choice to work with models and no mua. I'd rather have no mua and no make-up than a mua I have not tested with before - [edit]or that has no book.
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StephenEastwood
Posts: 19585
Great Neck, New York, US
Jean-Philippe wrote:
Modeling is work (if you are experienced).
Modeling is school (if you are learning).
Husband/Boyfriends have nothing to do on a set. You would NOT bring your H/BF to school or to work (especially working in a bank).... would you?
Yes there are exceptions... but they are -exceptions-
Just like for any job: check references, and know what your job is and everyone will be okay. I can hear people already "What if someone is not behaving professionally or is harrassing". What would you do at work. Just step away/out and tell them that you are on the set to work. Fun is for after... and that you don't hang out. Husbands/Boyfriends have nothing to do with work.
Threatening situation: 911. Easy.
What else... Hubby, or your wannaboyfriend. Tell them that you are working. To pick you up after the shoot. If the cannot deal with that. Then there is issues unrelated with modeling.
In general if a model ask if she can bring a friend/bf/husband... you can tell already that she is either new to the industry or not serious about modeling.
Exceptions: sometimes models/artist may bring wannabe models/artists, it happens and I allow that. I also allow "restricted" public as long as it is controllable. It is up to the BOSS to decide (BOSS = the person that orchestrates the shoot or client that pays).
Here are a few more exceptions:
- accompanying people for blind people
- Mums/Agents for babies/toddlers/kids
- Owners for animals used during the shoot
- Cops if you are shooting expensive diamonds/jewelry
- your master if you are a slave.... I agree, and like work if you are a painter hired to paint a building you may require and bring an assistant. So this is no different, that assistant is not a boyfirend with no reason for being there they have a reason they are doing a job that is useful to the completion of the task at hand.
Stephen Eastwood
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Long Island Studios
Posts: 4162
Sayville, New York, US
StephenEastwood wrote:
Not a Shit Storm, a valid way to educate models on a better choice to make when they are feeling they need someone on set for any reason. Also a great tell if something is not right for what reason would a photograpehr attempting to do a good job have for not wanting someone who can make the shoot better if not to be alone?
Stephen Eastwoo
http://www.StephenEastwood.com Just a little tease.....You are correct. I do not think the issue is esscorts as much as the lunk heads they bring. My motto is bring who you like, but we are all here to work. They never bring me big strong slaves......
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Eboh Ajeroh
Posts: 1455
Washington, District of Columbia, US
StephenEastwood wrote:
Might I say I would only feelsafe and comfortable with the Marines recon there but only if the Navy Seals were on patrol outside. That is true I woudl feel safer, but they are not needed or justified on a photoshoot, an assistant especially one like an MUA/HS/WS is very useful.
Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com HOORAAH!
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Long Island Studios
Posts: 4162
Sayville, New York, US
Jean-Philippe wrote:
It's a choice to work with models and no mua. I'd rather have no mua and no make-up than a mua I have not tested with before - [edit]or that has no book. Why? The model is an untested MUA? 2 are better then one.
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StephenEastwood
Posts: 19585
Great Neck, New York, US
Jean-Philippe wrote:
It's a choice to work with models and no mua. I'd rather have no mua and no make-up than a mua I have not tested with before - [edit]or that has no book. No book, you can state that as a problem, and the model has the right to find another artist that has something. A book that you do not love? well that gets into a problem as you can hate everyone they show, so no book at all is justifiable, a book of decent but perhaps not great work should be allowed, and if the model insists you or her can agree to call it off. Negotiation is key.
Stephen Eastwood
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StephenEastwood
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Great Neck, New York, US
NYC Nude Studios wrote:
Just a little tease.....You are correct. I do not think the issue is esscorts as much as the lunk heads they bring. My motto is bring who you like, but we are all here to work. They never bring me big strong slaves...... And like I said above having to read the models forum is getting to me. Photography forum is bad enough but much of this crap is outrageous.
Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com
Photographer
Hipgnosis2
Posts: 582
Dallas, Texas, US
Stephen, I respect your work, your words, and your sense of humor. However, do we really need yet another escort thread that will inevitably degrade into the standard back and forth that every one of these threads have become?
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