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Bill Mason Photography

Posts: 1856

Morristown, Vermont, US

...means just that. No artificial light source on the model. I see "professional" photographers with captions under headshots claiming they are natural light when there is clearly a sharply defined shadow under their chin and a catchlight in the center of their pupils. Those can only be created from an on camera flash since the model is obviously not in direct sunlight. This seems to be another example of photographers that don't really understand their craft.

Feb 28 08 09:59 am Link

Photographer

mw image

Posts: 812

Central, Alaska, US

Bill Mason Images wrote:
...means just that. No artificial light source on the model. I see "professional" photographers with captions under headshots claiming they are natural light when there is clearly a sharply defined shadow under their chin and a catchlight in the center of their pupils. Those can only be created from an on camera flash since the model is clearly not in direct sunlight. This seems to be another example of photographers that don't really understand their craft.

Several of the shots in my port were done with natural light, excpet for the shots in the alley, they were done in virtual darkness.

Feb 28 08 10:04 am Link

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Chuck StJohn

Posts: 661

Birmingham, Alabama, US

Don't get stuck on the catchlight trap...I change mine so no one knows how it was lit . . . mischievous but it's fun . . .

Feb 28 08 10:08 am Link

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MEK Photography

Posts: 6571

Westminster, Maryland, US

Natural Light:
https://modelmayhm-1.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080116/18/478e95f3cbe9c_m.jpg

Natural Light (18+)
https://modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=5794417

Feb 28 08 10:11 am Link

Photographer

Bill Mason Photography

Posts: 1856

Morristown, Vermont, US

Chuck StJohn wrote:
Don't get stuck on the catchlight trap...I change mine so no one knows how it was lit . . . mischievous but it's fun . . .

I've been shooting for over thirty years. I know an on camera flash shadow when I see one. Personally I don't think these photographers are creative enough to know how to drop in fake catchlights.

Feb 28 08 10:13 am Link

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AdamShealyPhotographer

Posts: 604

Greenville, South Carolina, US

ok.

Feb 28 08 10:14 am Link

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Photocyco2000

Posts: 1074

Sussex, New Jersey, US

Here's my best natural light shot:
https://img9.modelmayhem.com/070803/22/46b3f48834e55_m.jpg

Feb 28 08 10:20 am Link

Photographer

mw image

Posts: 812

Central, Alaska, US

My avatar shot is all natural light as well.

Feb 28 08 10:21 am Link

Photographer

Larry Brown Camera

Posts: 1081

Atlantic Beach, Florida, US

Bill Mason Images wrote:
...means just that. No artificial light source on the model. I see "professional" photographers with captions under headshots claiming they are natural light when there is clearly a sharply defined shadow under their chin and a catchlight in the center of their pupils. Those can only be created from an on camera flash since the model is obviously not in direct sunlight. This seems to be another example of photographers that don't really understand their craft.

You're wrong on this one....... "natural light" CAN be "modified" with reflectors & gobos to achieve "studio lighting effects". I do it all the time without "artificial light".
For that matter....."Catch lights" can always be added later. And by the way, they (catch lights) should be at the 11:00 O'clock or 1:00 O'clock position .... not centered.

Feb 28 08 10:21 am Link

Photographer

___RETIRED___

Posts: 633

LYLES, Tennessee, US

Having a bad day are we? tongue

Feb 28 08 10:21 am Link

Photographer

T H Taylor

Posts: 6862

Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US

A real question and no offense intended but,

In the grand scheme of the photographic idustry, how or why is this important or bothersome to you?  Aren't there more poignant examples of situations where eroneous information (being given out as fact) is much more damaging than not mentioning the use or existence of a fill flash?

Feb 28 08 10:22 am Link

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Vamp Boudoir

Posts: 11446

Florence, South Carolina, US

Bill Mason Images wrote:

I've been shooting for over thirty years. I know an on camera flash shadow when I see one. Personally I don't think these photographers are creative enough to know how to drop in fake catchlights.

Just who are you implying as "these photographers"?

Feb 28 08 10:23 am Link

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Reistroffer

Posts: 1679

Sioux Falls, South Dakota, US

Feb 28 08 10:24 am Link

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Laura Ferreira

Posts: 348

Port of Spain, Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago

au natural

https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2105/2282271081_84056ec21d.jpg

Feb 28 08 10:26 am Link

Photographer

Chris S

Posts: 125

Laura Ferreira wrote:
au natural

https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2105/2282271081_84056ec21d.jpg

That is an outstanding photo... I don't know why you don't have it up.

Feb 28 08 10:27 am Link

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Ron Rauto Photography

Posts: 499

Oceanside, California, US

so?

Feb 28 08 10:28 am Link

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Vamp Boudoir

Posts: 11446

Florence, South Carolina, US

fake? you mean like these?
http://modelmayhm-2.vo.llnwd.net/d1/pho … b0cd76.jpg

if they're not, I apologize. I guess the model suffers from Astigmatism and removed his glasses!

Feb 28 08 10:28 am Link

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Mike MacLellan

Posts: 1371

San Diego, California, US

All natural light in my port.

Feb 28 08 10:31 am Link

Photographer

Xeris - Dwight

Posts: 4369

Austin, Texas, US

Bill Mason Images wrote:
...means just that. No artificial light source on the model. I see "professional" photographers with captions under headshots claiming they are natural light when there is clearly a sharply defined shadow under their chin and a catchlight in the center of their pupils. Those can only be created from an on camera flash since the model is obviously not in direct sunlight. This seems to be another example of photographers that don't really understand their craft.

I agree. I see local photographers bragging about their natural/existing light work in their profiles and they a 30% or 40% of their images shot with flash and fill flash. I do not know if they do not understand the concept or if they are just outright liars.

Feb 28 08 10:34 am Link

Photographer

___RETIRED___

Posts: 633

LYLES, Tennessee, US

This shot was done with natural light. The sun was low and I had her pose against a stainless steel building as a reflector. Absolutely no flash was used in this one and it has a catch light in her eyes and a shodow under the chin as you described as being fake.
https://modelmayhm-4.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080226/11/47c43c4448168.jpg

Feb 28 08 10:34 am Link

Photographer

Rick Edwards

Posts: 6185

Wilmington, Delaware, US

95% of my work is natural light

Feb 28 08 10:34 am Link

Photographer

Alex Musicci

Posts: 12

Brooklyn, New York, US

ALL NATURAL LIGHT baby!

I hate the damn flash...

Proof: www.campalaphotography.com

Most of the pictures were shot at twilight**

--xoxo

Feb 28 08 10:40 am Link

Photographer

J Hollar

Posts: 469

Charlotte, North Carolina, US

natural light coming from model right. She is standing in a barn overhang

https://modelmayhm-9.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/070822/21/46ccf24bcead9_m.jpg

Feb 28 08 10:42 am Link

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FKVPhotography

Posts: 30064

Ocala, Florida, US

Don't be fooled by catchlights.

I do a lot of available light shoots and still get catchlights from the foamcore reflectors or octagonal white umbrellas.

Only thing that bugs me is when you use available light all the "real" pros seem to pooh pooh the idea as if it's only for amatures.

Can't be a "pro" unless you hit them with a gizillion watts of power!!!!

Feb 28 08 10:55 am Link

Photographer

mw image

Posts: 812

Central, Alaska, US

FKVPhotoGraphics wrote:
Don't be fooled by catchlights.

I do a lot of available light shoots and still get catchlights from the foamcore reflectors or octagonal white umbrellas.

Only thing that bugs me is when you use available light all the "real" pros seem to pooh pooh the idea as if it's only for amatures.

Can't be a "pro" unless you hit them with a gizillion watts of power!!!!

HEY!!! The GWC code strictly prohibits public revealing of trade secrets.... so lets keep the hidden tazers to ourselves please...

Feb 28 08 10:57 am Link

Photographer

Rick Davis Photography

Posts: 3733

San Antonio, Texas, US

Everything in my portfolio is natural light.

Feb 28 08 11:00 am Link

Photographer

Kevin Stenhouse

Posts: 2660

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Couple of natural light shots... hard to tell what is going on with catch lights.
https://img4.modelmayhem.com/061025/20/45400bbbd5558_m.jpg

https://img1.modelmayhem.com/051220/18/43a8fd89d1e7d_m.jpg

Feb 28 08 11:03 am Link

Photographer

Rick Davis Photography

Posts: 3733

San Antonio, Texas, US

Bill Mason Images wrote:
...means just that. No artificial light source on the model. I see "professional" photographers with captions under headshots claiming they are natural light when there is clearly a sharply defined shadow under their chin and a catchlight in the center of their pupils. Those can only be created from an on camera flash since the model is obviously not in direct sunlight. This seems to be another example of photographers that don't really understand their craft.

Catch lights here.  Where are they coming from?  This model is standing in shade and I'm using no reflectors.

https://a465.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/56/l_58628c77ca91360adf143fd054f3e3f0.jpg

Feb 28 08 11:05 am Link

Photographer

myfotographer

Posts: 3702

Fresno, California, US

Marc Grant wrote:

Catch lights here.  Where are they coming from?  This model is standing in shade and I'm using no reflectors.

https://a465.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/56/l_58628c77ca91360adf143fd054f3e3f0.jpg

This isn't a fair fight Marc, you are the master of natural light and natural reflectors.

Feb 28 08 11:09 am Link

Photographer

Rick Davis Photography

Posts: 3733

San Antonio, Texas, US

Ed Stevenson wrote:
This isn't a fair fight Marc, you are the master of natural light and natural reflectors.

WOW!  I appreciate that Ed but that's far from the truth.  There are a lot of great natural light shooters.  For those who say it's easier than studio lighting I say try it.  You're either putting the light where you need it on the model or you "find" the kind of light that will give you the effect you desire and place the model in it.

The catch lights are from her jacket! 

The catch lights here are from a white ceramic tile floor with sunlight flooding it.  The fill light comes from the white walls in the room.

https://a560.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/80/l_2953de1b25b4663b77eab0131ef5d3c7.jpg

If I were to give away one secret, it's that I'm an edge shooter.  I like to place the model where shade meets a strong light source, "the edge".  wink

Feb 28 08 11:22 am Link

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ELANFOTOS

Posts: 676

Miami, Florida, US

https://i26.tinypic.com/2d5gfo.jpg
https://i29.tinypic.com/nbpv6h.jpg

au naturale... dam i miss this studio!

Feb 28 08 11:29 am Link

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Srefis

Posts: 960

Asheville, North Carolina, US

We like shooting natural light more than flash. But do have our own strobes, softboxes umbrella etc. etc.  Natural light is more dramatic in most cases.

https://modelmayhm-6.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/071205/11/4756d469d8e32_m.jpg

Feb 28 08 11:30 am Link

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Rick Davis Photography

Posts: 3733

San Antonio, Texas, US

ELAN IMAGE STUDIO wrote:
https://i26.tinypic.com/2d5gfo.jpg
https://i29.tinypic.com/nbpv6h.jpg

au naturale... dam i miss this studio!

Who needs a studio?  The world is our studio!  wink

Nice work!

Feb 28 08 11:36 am Link

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bgcfoto

Posts: 5446

Charlotte, North Carolina, US

ELAN IMAGE STUDIO wrote:
https://i26.tinypic.com/2d5gfo.jpg
au naturale... dam i miss this studio!

I can understand why....

Feb 28 08 11:41 am Link

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Mgaphoto

Posts: 4982

San Diego, California, US

Crack smokers!

Feb 28 08 11:46 am Link

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NaturalLightPhoto

Posts: 603

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

damn, i thought it is a thread to out me. tongue

Feb 28 08 11:49 am Link

Photographer

JQ:FIYAR

Posts: 523

Southfield, Michigan, US

I love using natural light in photos. Here's one of mine:

https://img9.modelmayhem.com/070702/16/46896ecb8151d_m.jpg

Feb 28 08 11:50 am Link

Photographer

Star

Posts: 17966

Los Angeles, California, US

I have a few shots with natural light that people are convinced that there is post on, when in reality they are pretty much straight from camera. I also don't have fill card or lights, but the reflection from a light colored sand can feel like a fill light or card:

[img]https://modelmayhm-6.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080216/02/47b69636e2b8d_m.jpg[/img]

https://modelmayhm-6.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080216/20/47b7902678ed9_m.jpg

the catchlight in her eyes is from the white sand she is standing on

https://img8.modelmayhem.com/070627/04/46821bd8c84e8_m.jpg

and than you have these shots that are nothing but strobe lights, no natural light at all

https://modelmayhm-6.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/071027/03/4722ee6e6a007_m.jpg

https://modelmayhm-6.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080201/20/47a3ca3f8ef22_m.jpg

and the art center special of overpowering daylight

https://modelmayhm-6.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080226/10/47c42c5bb0817_m.jpg


The point I am making is that natural light, strobe light, fill with flash, all of these are just tools. To try and name what another photographer is doing, or has done, is just semantics. Natural light with flash fill is natural light to some photographers, to others it isn't.

For me it all just light. The real question is, does the light fit the image...

Feb 28 08 12:06 pm Link

Photographer

Trisha Bowyer

Posts: 1311

Martinsburg, West Virginia, US

Star wrote:
https://modelmayhm-6.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080201/20/47a3ca3f8ef22_m.jpg

OMG! Fabulous!

Feb 28 08 12:15 pm Link

Photographer

Bill Mason Photography

Posts: 1856

Morristown, Vermont, US

Larry Brown Camera wrote:

You're wrong on this one....... "natural light" CAN be "modified" with reflectors & gobos to achieve "studio lighting effects". I do it all the time without "artificial light".
For that matter....."Catch lights" can always be added later. And by the way, they (catch lights) should be at the 11:00 O'clock or 1:00 O'clock position .... not centered.

I'm not wrong...your description of using reflectors and gobos is still using natural light. I wasn't talking about modifying light. I'm talking about using flash or other artificial lighting and calling it natural lighting.

Feb 28 08 01:53 pm Link