Forums > Photography Talk > Film projector as a light source?

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Photocyco2000

Posts: 1074

Sussex, New Jersey, US

I was talking to an older,wiser photographer the other day who told me about of his use of old film projectors as a source of light on some of his shoots. He explained that they are really cheap on e-bay and that you can focus the light really well and get a similiar result as a light with a snoot on it. He said it works great for hair highlites,low lighting shoot where you want to selectivly light a model. He also said it works well as a background lite because it can sit on the floor and be hidden behind props. Has anyone on Model Mayhem ever tried this?

Mar 12 08 01:34 am Link

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MaryEliza

Posts: 1

East Rochester, New York, US

Sounds like a good idea actually.

Mar 12 08 01:35 am Link

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StephenEastwood

Posts: 19585

Great Neck, New York, US

Photocyco2000 wrote:
I was talking to an older,wiser photographer the other day who told me about of his use of old film projectors as a source of light on some of his shoots. He explained that they are really cheap on e-bay and that you can focus the light really well and get a similiar result as a light with a snoot on it. He said it works great for hair highlites,low lighting shoot where you want to selectivly light a model. He also said it works well as a background lite because it can sit on the floor and be hidden behind props. Has anyone on Model Mayhem ever tried this?

Slide projectors yes, to project slides they tend to be daylight balanced as well, to mix with strobe, but are not very bright by camera standards.  Dragging the shutter helps.  they also have different lenses on them for different diameter spreads.


Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

Mar 12 08 01:37 am Link

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NewBoldPhoto

Posts: 5216

PORT MURRAY, New Jersey, US

Photocyco2000 wrote:
I was talking to an older,wiser photographer the other day who told me about of his use of old film projectors as a source of light on some of his shoots. He explained that they are really cheap on e-bay and that you can focus the light really well and get a similiar result as a light with a snoot on it. He said it works great for hair highlites,low lighting shoot where you want to selectivly light a model. He also said it works well as a background lite because it can sit on the floor and be hidden behind props. Has anyone on Model Mayhem ever tried this?

Yes... and if you actually have slides you can use it to project an image on or across your subject.

Mar 12 08 01:37 am Link

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jt young

Posts: 95

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Haven't tried that. Have used slide projectors both as a pure white light and to project with onto a model.

Mar 12 08 01:37 am Link

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Don Spiro

Posts: 194

Astoria, New York, US

Any light source is good if it's as bright as you need it to be.

Was he talking 8mm, super 8, 16mm, 35mm or what?

Mar 12 08 01:39 am Link

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Photocyco2000

Posts: 1074

Sussex, New Jersey, US

Don Spiro wrote:
Any light source is good if it's as bright as you need it to be.

Was he talking 8mm, super 8, 16mm, 35mm or what?

He never specified.

Mar 12 08 01:41 am Link

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Madcrow Photographics

Posts: 7805

Boston, Massachusetts, US

I just went to a talk at my camera club about night photography and using an old SLIDE projector was actually one of the suggestions made. From what the person suggested, you don't really use it so much as any sort of "normal" lighting, but rather as a big flashlight for purposes of lighpainting for night landscapes with minute-plus exposures...

Mar 12 08 07:10 am Link

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Dobias Fine Art Photo

Posts: 1697

Haddon Heights, New Jersey, US

Madcrow Studios wrote:
I just went to a talk at my camera club about night photography and using an old SLIDE projector was actually one of the suggestions made. From what the person suggested, you don't really use it so much as any sort of "normal" lighting, but rather as a big flashlight for purposes of lighpainting for night landscapes with minute-plus exposures...

If you are going to do light painting, especially outdoors, I recommend using a high candlepower marine safety search light.  They are available at boating supply stores and are battery operated.

Mar 12 08 07:16 am Link

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Madcrow Photographics

Posts: 7805

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Dobias Fine Art Photo wrote:

If you are going to do light painting, especially outdoors, I recommend using a high candlepower marine safety search light.  They are available at boating supply stores and are battery operated.

Well, I was just reporting a suggestion I heard last night... Frankly a marine search light DOES sound like a better idea though.

Mar 12 08 07:18 am Link

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J C ModeFotografie

Posts: 14718

Los Angeles, California, US

StephenEastwood wrote:

Slide projectors yes, to project slides they tend to be daylight balanced as well, to mix with strobe, but are not very bright by camera standards.  Dragging the shutter helps.  they also have different lenses on them for different diameter spreads.


Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

What if you wanted to incorporate a human subject - but not necessarily have the slide projected on to that subject?  I think it's called front-projection - but I can't quite figure out how it's done.

Mar 12 08 07:35 am Link

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slave to the lens

Posts: 9078

Woodland Hills, California, US

I've done it, it's like a really low powered source 4. Focusable, but honestly like lighting with a 100w bulb.

I used one on my last shoot..and found it was more effective as a prop.

Slide projectors/ overhead projectors might be more worthwhile.

Mar 12 08 07:42 am Link

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Ken Rieves Photography

Posts: 934

Avon Lake, Ohio, US

This was shot using an InFocus digital projector as the light source. It was shot on white seamless paper.

https://www.kenrieves.com/images/allpeople/photo48.jpg

Mar 12 08 08:13 am Link

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C and J Photography

Posts: 1986

Hauula, Hawaii, US

Here I sit wondering what the exposure was for that last shot.

Actually, wondering if projecting a background through a translucent screen from behind (or using a background scene displayed on a flat screen TV / Monitor) would be a reasonable scenario for 3/4 and tighter shots.

Mar 12 08 08:27 am Link

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Low Tek Photography

Posts: 597

Atlanta, Georgia, US

DVS has used that technique before in a lot of his work. His results are amazing.

https://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=10155

Mar 12 08 08:32 am Link

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DVS

Posts: 10000

Detroit, Michigan, US

MaryEliza wrote:
Sounds like a good idea actually.

Yes it does...I may have to steal this idea.

I HAVE used digital video projectors as one of a few light sources during a shoot...

https://modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=5081124  18+

https://modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=5081132  18+

Mar 12 08 08:38 am Link

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DVS

Posts: 10000

Detroit, Michigan, US

Low Tek Photography wrote:
DVS has used that technique before in a lot of his work. His results are amazing.

https://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=10155

Hey!  big_smile

Mine was digital though, but using the same basic technique...thanks for the plug.  wink

Mar 12 08 08:38 am Link

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S W I N S K E Y

Posts: 24376

Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

NewBoldPhoto wrote:
Yes... and if you actually have slides you can use it to project an image on or across your subject.

https://gallery.photo.net/photo/4849814-lg.jpg

Mar 12 08 08:40 am Link

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DVS

Posts: 10000

Detroit, Michigan, US

And a couple others...

A sample of rear projection...
https://modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=5081070  18+

And full on model...
https://modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=3570946  18+
https://modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=5081105  18+

Mar 12 08 08:42 am Link

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photodorset

Posts: 845

Bournemouth, England, United Kingdom

I did a shoot with a video projection as background. Once I'd got the exposure right I got some great shots. Can't post them here 'cos of the film content!!!

Mar 12 08 08:47 am Link

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Rp-photo

Posts: 42711

Houston, Texas, US

Madcrow Studios wrote:
I just went to a talk at my camera club about night photography and using an old SLIDE projector was actually one of the suggestions made. From what the person suggested, you don't really use it so much as any sort of "normal" lighting, but rather as a big flashlight for purposes of lighpainting for night landscapes with minute-plus exposures...

Would make a great AF-assist.

Mar 12 08 08:51 am Link

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J C ModeFotografie

Posts: 14718

Los Angeles, California, US

photodorset wrote:
I did a shoot with a video projection as background. Once I'd got the exposure right I got some great shots. Can't post them here 'cos of the film content!!!

Could you elaborate on the setup for us?

Mar 12 08 08:54 am Link

Photographer

C and J Photography

Posts: 1986

Hauula, Hawaii, US

What ISO, Aperature, and Shutter speed were used on any of these shots?

Mar 12 08 08:56 am Link

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Farenell Photography

Posts: 18832

Albany, New York, US

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Mar 12 08 10:47 am Link

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DVS

Posts: 10000

Detroit, Michigan, US

photodorset wrote:
I did a shoot with a video projection as background. Once I'd got the exposure right I got some great shots. Can't post them here 'cos of the film content!!!

Then just put up some links so we can see.

Mar 12 08 10:52 am Link

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Srefis

Posts: 960

Asheville, North Carolina, US

Doug Swinskey wrote:

https://gallery.photo.net/photo/4849814-lg.jpg

I think I've seen this image in a book on lighting actually.

Projectors for light source sounds interesting but it sounds more like a harsh direct light rather than a diffused ambient light.

Mar 12 08 01:59 pm Link

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Aaron Photography

Posts: 379

MCALLEN, Texas, US

Ken Rieves Photography wrote:
This was shot using an InFocus digital projector as the light source. It was shot on white seamless paper.

https://www.kenrieves.com/images/allpeople/photo48.jpg

Excellent use of lighting and goes back to what I know, photography is the art of capturing light.  Of course someone said better.  Anyhow, I love the photo.  I would have guessed spot lights.

Mar 12 08 03:22 pm Link

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Ken Rieves Photography

Posts: 934

Avon Lake, Ohio, US

Thanks, that was a fun one to shoot. It was kinda improvised at the spur of the moment during the shoot. smile

Mar 12 08 03:36 pm Link

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FOTOgraphicART - Heinz

Posts: 1710

Hopkins, Minnesota, US

J C ModeFotografie wrote:

What if you wanted to incorporate a human subject - but not necessarily have the slide projected on to that subject?  I think it's called front-projection - but I can't quite figure out how it's done.

Front projection utilizes a special screen which is very highly reflective.  Since you have to adjust your exposure for the background image, the part of the image projected onto your subject is so far underexposed that it doesn't show.  However, the projector also has to be positioned such that the projected image is along the same axis as your camera lens to prevent any shadow being visible from your subject on the front projection screen.  This is usually done with a two way mirror.

Mar 12 08 03:43 pm Link