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still i rise89
Posts: 297
London, England, United Kingdom
what is all this light skin is better than dark skin rubbish
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Mike Carroll
Posts: 56023
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
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Yves Duchamp - Femme
Posts: 24436
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US
Hi, Priscilla. I completely understand what you are talking about... Research "colorism." I started a thread on it once which degenerate into a bloodbath for a few pages and then returned to a decent conversation. Also, read "The Color Complex" by Kathy Russel, "Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome" by Dr. Joy Degruy-Leary, and "Don't Play in the Sun" by Marita Golden. Exceptional books, those. Link to the thread: https://www.modelmayhem.com/p.php?thread_id=189409
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UnoMundo
Posts: 47532
Olympia, Washington, US
priscilla18 wrote:
what is all this light skin is better than dark skin rubbish You invented this, read it, thought about it, a personal story?
Or are you quoting some universal truth that the rest of us don't know.
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StaceyClarke Retouching
Posts: 642
Swansea, Illinois, US
both can look amazing i think.
theres not a 'better' 1.
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still i rise89
Posts: 297
London, England, United Kingdom
i know there's not pretty is pretty but i heard its really bad in america though
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UnoMundo
Posts: 47532
Olympia, Washington, US
priscilla18 wrote:
i know there's not pretty is pretty but i heard its really bad in america though You sound like Mike.
You have basis for the claim ?
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Yves Duchamp - Femme
Posts: 24436
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US
priscilla18 wrote:
i know there's not pretty is pretty but i heard its really bad in america though It is very bad here. Particularly in the South...
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Yves Duchamp - Femme
Posts: 24436
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US
UnoMundo wrote:
You sound like Mike.
You have basis for the claim ? Listen. Just because you know nothing about it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. So please, take it down a few notches, you're being obnoxious. It really is a big issue in the black community as well as many other ethnic groups, and it is really senseless and hurtful. It's a serious subject, so take it seriously.
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UnoMundo
Posts: 47532
Olympia, Washington, US
Shon D Photography wrote:
It is very bad here. Particularly in the South... Yes, but a general claim.
I have had requests specifically NOT for black models.
So I can back that with fact.
But the OP has not said she has seen it.
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still i rise89
Posts: 297
London, England, United Kingdom
lol why though black is black
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Yves Duchamp - Femme
Posts: 24436
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US
priscilla18 wrote:
lol why though black is black Read a little of the thread I linked. Or order any of those books I noted. They're all very informative and good reads...
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still i rise89
Posts: 297
London, England, United Kingdom
and i have seen i see it every day on tv
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UnoMundo
Posts: 47532
Olympia, Washington, US
Shon D Photography wrote:
Listen. Just because you know nothing about it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. So please, take it down a few notches, you're being obnoxious. It really is a big issue in the black community as well as many other ethnic groups, and it is really senseless and hurtful. It's a serious subject, so take it seriously. Shon, the OP has not posted anything specific about her experience or what she heard.
You have experience with it, so I take your experience as reported.
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Yves Duchamp - Femme
Posts: 24436
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US
UnoMundo wrote:
Shon, the OP has not posted anything specific about her experience or what she heard.
You have experience with it, so I take your experience as reported. I highly doubt that anyone will be able to narrow it down to just one experience. I mean, a few may stick out more than others, but it's not a one time deal. It's almost like a sick social norm. Something that's engrained in a lot of (I would say most) black children and has been for generations. It's an entire lifetime experience.
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Laura Ann Photography
Posts: 17921
Peoria, Arizona, US
The color of skin, or how dark it is, never bugs me.
A light skinned black women can be beautiful as well as a women with dark black skin. I think they're both wonderful.
I don't understand why people would think one is better than the other. It just defies all logic to me. Then again, so does racism.
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Hipgnosis2
Posts: 582
Dallas, Texas, US
priscilla18 wrote:
lol why though black is black Not really, not anymore.
And the claim that it is still bad in America isn't entirely true. Some cultures (localized subcultures) still feel the KKK is right. But for the most part, it's become pretty commonplace to see mixed race couples walking around. In fact, the concept that black is black is tough to swallow because of all the racial mixing.
I'm racially mixed. Heavily mixed. Some people think I look greek, middle eastern, hispanic, or italian. Because of this, and because of my heritage, I always choose "other" when filling out questionnaires that ask my racial background.
The simple fact is that at least here in the states, no one is pure anything anymore. Oh sure, there are some, here and there. But for the most part, the melting pot concept has taken root and can now be applied to genetics.
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Laura Hopalong
Posts: 9064
Mobile, Alabama, US
UnoMundo wrote:
You invented this, read it, thought about it, a personal story?
Or are you quoting some universal truth that the rest of us don't know. I've heard it before.
I know in the past, if you were black, it was preferable to have the lightest skin tone possible. It was "better." It was best to have "white" features as well.
I don't know how prevalent this attitude is now, but it is one that came about (in America) due to slavery here. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some people that really do feel that it's "better" still.
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Legacys 7
Posts: 33899
San Francisco, California, US
Old news that's been around before all of the members on this website time.
Look at the late 1950's movie titled, 'Imitation of Life.' There you'll find your answer.
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Yves Duchamp - Femme
Posts: 24436
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US
Legacys 7 wrote:
Old news that's been around before all of the members on this website time.
Look at the late 1950's movie titled, 'Imitation of Life.' There you'll find your answer. GOOD ONE!
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Ebby is Pink
Posts: 2280
Brooklyn, New York, US
Legacys 7 wrote:
Old news that's been around before all of the members on this website time.
Look at the late 1950's movie titled, 'Imitation of Life.' There you'll find your answer. I cry every time I see that movie.
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Profile Closed
Posts: 5808
Niceville, Florida, US
priscilla18 wrote:
what is all this light skin is better than dark skin rubbish Isn't this how Rwanda's party ended up?
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Yves Duchamp - Femme
Posts: 24436
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US
ResoL101 wrote:
Isn't this how Rwanda's party ended up? Eh....
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Laura Hopalong
Posts: 9064
Mobile, Alabama, US
ResoL101 wrote:
Isn't this how Rwanda's party ended up? Different from the US, but I see where you're trying to make the connect.
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UnoMundo
Posts: 47532
Olympia, Washington, US
ResoL101 wrote:
Isn't this how Rwanda's party ended up? Rwanda was a tribal system
One group had 85% of the population.
The other (15%) was in charge (colonial history), they refused to give up power.
Elections were held, the group with 85% population won.
The new Prime Minister(mr 85%) was killed.
The 85% group got pissed and commenced a killing spree.
Now come back with the names.
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Like an open Rose
Posts: 9754
Los Angeles, California, US
ResoL101 wrote:
Isn't this how Rwanda's party ended up? No, that was differeing ethnic groups, sort of like bosnia
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UnoMundo
Posts: 47532
Olympia, Washington, US
Like an open Rose wrote:
No, that was differeing ethnic groups, sort of like bosnia they were not ethnic groups, they were tribal groups.
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Like an open Rose
Posts: 9754
Los Angeles, California, US
UnoMundo wrote:
they were not ethnic groups, they were tribal groups. Um okay those words can be interchanged quite easily
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Ethnic Group
a social group or category of the population that, in a larger society, is set apart and bound together by common ties of race, language, nationality, or culture.
tribe
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tribe
Main Entry: tribe
Pronunciation: \ËtrÄ«b\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin tribus, a division of the Roman people, tribe
Date: 13th century
1 a: a social group comprising numerous families, clans, or generations together with slaves, dependents, or adopted strangers b: a political division of the Roman people originally representing one of the three original tribes of ancient Rome c: phyle
2: a group of persons having a common character, occupation, or interest
3: a category of taxonomic classification ranking below a subfamily; also : a natural group irrespective of taxonomic rank
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Like an open Rose
Posts: 9754
Los Angeles, California, US
UnoMundo wrote:
they were not ethnic groups, they were tribal groups. Dude your logic is completely off, those are essentially the same descriptions. Like calling a man a male.
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UnoMundo
Posts: 47532
Olympia, Washington, US
Like an open Rose wrote:
Dude your logic is completely off, those are essentially the same descriptions. Like calling a man a male. You dahling ,
The Hutu and the Tutsi, many of them shared the same language, religion, intermarriage,etc, etc,etc. It is not like one was Christian and the other Muslim or the other green and the other blue.
It was now neighbor against neighbor depending on tribal origin.
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Like an open Rose
Posts: 9754
Los Angeles, California, US
UnoMundo wrote:
You dahling ,
The Hutu and the Tutsi, many of them shared the same language, religion, intermarriage,etc, etc,etc. It is not like one was Christian and the other Muslim or the other green and the other blue.
It was now neighbor against neighbor depending on tribal origin. Uh yea ethnic groups are nto dependant on religions, I related it to bosina becuase that is a conflict known to most Americans.
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Like an open Rose
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Los Angeles, California, US
Just to add. I'm not alone on using the term ethnic group as it is considered the modern version of tribe Here is a list of websites in the hundreds that use the term. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X … is&spell=1 http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Genoci … rwanda.htm Rwanda is one of the smallest countries in Central Africa, with just 7 million people, and is comprised of two main ethnic groups, the Hutu and the Tutsi. Although the Hutus account for 90 percent of the population, in the past, the Tutsi minority was considered the aristocracy of Rwanda and dominated Hutu peasants for decades, especially while Rwanda was under Belgian colonial rule. Following independence from Belgium in 1962, the Hutu majority seized power and reversed the roles, oppressing the Tutsis through systematic discrimination and acts of violence. As a result, over 200,000 Tutsis fled to neighboring countries and formed a rebel guerrilla army, the Rwandan Patriotic Front
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Alex Davenport
Posts: 10215
Spokane, Missouri, US
The OP seems to be very uninformed about the subject, or at least isn't really contributing much to the conversation.
However, this issue really does exist. Its sad, its stupid, and its frustrating. But the problem exists in the Black community, Latin community, etc.
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Profile Closed
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Niceville, Florida, US
Moxie Haze wrote:
Different from the US, but I see where you're trying to make the connect. Thank you for "getting" my point.
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Profile Closed
Posts: 5808
Niceville, Florida, US
Like an open Rose wrote:
Just to add. I'm not alone on using the term ethnic group as it is considered the modern version of tribe
Here is a list of websites in the hundreds that use the term.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X … is&spell=1
http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Genoci … rwanda.htm
Rwanda is one of the smallest countries in Central Africa, with just 7 million people, and is comprised of two main ethnic groups, the Hutu and the Tutsi. Although the Hutus account for 90 percent of the population, in the past, the Tutsi minority was considered the aristocracy of Rwanda and dominated Hutu peasants for decades, especially while Rwanda was under Belgian colonial rule.
Following independence from Belgium in 1962, the Hutu majority seized power and reversed the roles, oppressing the Tutsis through systematic discrimination and acts of violence. As a result, over 200,000 Tutsis fled to neighboring countries and formed a rebel guerrilla army, the Rwandan Patriotic Front But do you understand what seemingly MADE a Tutsi different from a Hutu?...
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