Christine Davydova wrote: Read an article about 'Alt Models' ( http://coilhouse.net/2008/06/05/what-do … even-mean/ ) including those of transsexual models... I wonder if there are any transsexuals models on MM? Would be interesting to have a look at their profile and port. Heard some of 'em are extremely pretty:)
I think they should be more forhcoming . some are some arent. there's ways to tell. For one just by looking. Or they do nudes but its all tuck shots. Or they use the same stage name on a site where they are honest about it. Seems most in this area shoot nudes but dont say on their page. Not cool if you're looking to hire a woman. I agree there should be a section so people looking for tg/ts models can find them.
DwLPhoto wrote: I think they should be more forhcoming.
About what? About their gender history? Why would you care?
DwLPhoto wrote: there's ways to tell. For one just by looking.
Seriously? Looking at what?
DwLPhoto wrote: Or they do nudes but its all tuck shots.
ANY model who does nudes and has any sort of body issue that could affect the shoot should disclose that. I had a model who showed up and she had a scar the size of my finger running from her breastbone to her pubic area. I told her that she should have let me know this beforehand. But if the gig isn't a nude shoot then as long as the image you see in her portfolio matches what you're shooting and she looks like her photo then it's on, right?
DwLPhoto wrote: Seems most in this area shoot nudes but dont say on their page.
Then apparently she does nudes on a case by case basis. She has no obligation to offer that to everyone.
DwLPhoto wrote: Not cool if you're looking to hire a woman.
If she identifies as a woman then that's what you're hiring. That should be "cool" enough.
I live near SF. After a while (about 5 mins after you first arrive in SF) it's easy to figure out. Austin isn't as weird as they think they are. Let me know when your indignation carries over to someone who hires a male model and is upset a woman shows up
DwLPhoto wrote: Which is why they should say so. Thanks for proving my point.
Two things. First off you have some foundation to what you're saying, but you're wording it wrong. Which is making you come off as transphobic.
Mainly 'cause you're saying, "not cool if you're looking to hire a woman.". I'm a woman. I'm just not a biological female (or cisgender woman). You have your right to have full disclosure of something of that nature, if it truly affected the image. So maybe only if they are doing full nudes (where the genitals matter)
Though past that, it doesn't matter. You have no right to biological history. Though I feel it's ethical for pre-op trans women (in this case) who are being inquired about full nudes (and they are all for it) should disclose they are. Though don't feel upset if they aren't up for telling you online, or at all.
Since you know society is still pretty hostile towards transgender/transsexual people
Which is why they should say so. Thanks for proving my point.
Again, no. As I've already pointed out, if it's a nude shoot then she (like all other models) has a responsibility to make sure that you know about any scars, tattoos, deformities, stray penises or whatever might not be apparent from her portfolio images. But if the shoot won't require her to reveal anything other than what she's showing already, then it's nunya bizness.
Since YOU are the one with the hangup about someone's biological history (to which, as MiaSparks has reiterated, you are not entitled), since it is YOU who has the nonsensical requirement to be assured that your model is showing up with the sort of original plumbing you deem acceptable, then it's YOU who needs to be making the inquiries instead of making everyone else responsible for taking care of your fragile sensibilities.
So here's what you do. Every time you start to negotiate with a model about a possible gig just ask her if she has or was born with a penis. After she regains her composure and asks why you want to know just tell her that it's because it just really matters that much.
I'm sure she won't think that's the least bit ridiculous.
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Oh crap, sorry. Only read the first few comments on this blog when they were more light hearted and fun. I didn't realize it had become a debate about gender identity and proper pro-noun usage.
If a woman is TS, she lives as a woman. If an individual identifies as transgendered that includes many variables of gender identity. Most transsexuals, like myself, will state it clearly in their profile. If you are shooting nudes, you definitely should include that information when communicating with the photographer.
If a (typically male) photographer decides to not work with me based on my gender (even though it's clearly stated in my "about me" section), no real loss.
One thing I have learned in life is to have a thick skin regarding the opinions of others. I was born male, I'm legally a female.. I am beautiful, I am happy... no time to argue with people with a different opinion. Opinions rarely change, even when countered with truth.
Alii Olsen wrote: I'm a transsexual looking to build my port, any photographer in my area interested
definitely give me a shout when you're here in L.A. - i'd love to shoot with you.
great thread... needs to be revived and updated a bit. maybe MM should create a third sex designation in addition to the standard Male/Female option. would make finding transsexual models simple. i have shot a few ts models that are in my port now. see if anyone can guess which.
Sensual Glamour LA wrote: great thread... needs to be revived and updated a bit. maybe MM should create a third sex designation in addition to the standard Male/Female option. would make finding transsexual models simple.
That idea has been proposed in other threads, and it kinda makes me wonder how useful it would be.
On the one hand, many photographers (probably more photogs than models) have already stated they'd love to have that option. For many, it's to seek out and specifically hire trans models, which I think would be a pretty cool use of that feature.
For some, it's to avoid hiring a trans model. If that's their preference I understand that (not criticizing - that's why the various categories in search criteria exist), but the immediate benefit to the model is that she won't have to deal with any transphobic nonsense (or risk) from a photographer who feels deceived; he (or she) will have been duly warned and hires the model with full disclosure.
On the other hand, there are several out trans models here who would love to be found and hired. But I know of several trans models here who are not out and would not make use of that feature for a variety of reasons, some of them safety-related.
Something tells me that once the option is available then models who never thought about using will at least consider it, and it might actually take off and become useful.
In any event, this would be a ground-breaking precedent on a business networking site (as opposed to certain dating websites that include this option).
[Let's not get into a debate on whether we think MM is a business networking site or not, OK? I'm just trying to differentiate between MM and dating sites.]
I wonder if the mods can run a poll and see if there's any interest?
EDIT: I'm surprised no one has hijacked this thread yet. just kidding
The word tr*nny is a horrible slur, to comment on that word being thrown around previously.
Transexual is also an outdated term. Transgender or trans* normally does it, as far as queer social justice issues are concerned.
Bravo Magic Images wrote: So if i had
sex with a Transgender woman model does that make me gay or lucky
This would NOT make you gay, unless you yourself identify as female. A trans* woman is a woman, and no less.
There are so many beautiful trans* women and men modeling all over model mayhem.
This is the gorgeous Alaira, a personal friend of mine:
I was so excited to find this thread. I have been trying for a while to find M2F transsexual models for my artwork, with no luck. Please drop me a line if you are interested in working with me, even if you are not in my area. You can check out more of my work at www.jimpavelec.com.
I'm open to shooting transgender and gender queer people. Same as I am to shooting cis-gender people. Straight, gay, lesbian, bi, pan, queer, no label, any label. I just enjoy photographing people from time to time.
Regarding whether someone should out themselves or not, it's completely up to them and I respect that, because we do live in a world where anyone who is not heterosexual and cis-gender has risks associated with simply not hiding who we are.
My name is Cameron Saylor and I am a transgender model. I currently am not on hormones however I will be starting them soon. I love modeling and would love to explore my options as a male model. I hope there are people out there looking for a ftm or transgender model.
Oh my!.. I've started this thread about 6 years ago and it still runs! It's kind of funny)
Actually maybe it's time to finally come out - when I started it I wanted to know a bit about other trans* girls and whether they succeeded in modelling... That time I was I bit shy to point out I'm an MtF transgender myself, though after a number of years the shyness somehow dissolved.
After all when I started alt-modelling I was a bit old - 22 already and never looked after a prof model career. Now I've finally found out that I love posing and been shot MUCH MORE than I like being a model if you catch the difference. Though now I'm a bit photographer and MUA myself and love to cooperate with TG models on TFCD or paid shooting conditions...
Christine Davydova wrote: 2 slave to the lens - yeah, I know that some of the transgender folk are not very eager to tell smth about their 'male past' and I really understand them... Though most of my TG/TS acquaintances are do not hide this
Emotions run wild, insecurities galore, yet this industry is moving forward.
Why, because photography goes together with world we live in, and art goes with controversial, mainstream, fashion, allure, but mostly with pushing the boundary of creativity.
As giants of couture prove day in day out, trans, gender fluid, masculine female or feminine male, are "IN"
And given the opportunity to shoot LEA or ANDREJ, who wouldn't!?!?
Love ya all however, as we travel through this wild and crazy place we call life!
Vocab lesson for everyone! *Just realized I double posted on the same page, haha oops I guess XD*
Sex: what you're born as (male, female, intersex)
Gender: what you feel comfortable calling yourself (girl, boy, etc....more "formal" terms would be: "cisgender, transgender, two spirit, etc...")
*General consensus within the gender community on a message board I was on*
-Transgender: One whose gender identity and expression is opposite of their physical sex.
-Trans*: One who does not identify with the sex that they were assigned at birth.
-Transvestite: Someone who dresses or takes on "traditional"gender roles of the opposite sex (this term can also be considered offensive, so be careful with this one)
-Transsexual: The process of changing your physical body to the opposite sex (this term can also be considered offensive, so be careful with this one)
I fall under the trans* umbrella, I identify as gender fluid, which means my gender is never in a constant state (it constantly fluctuates between femininity and masculinity)