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Hollywood Starlet
Posts: 5,487
Beverly Hills, California, US


Do you agree with this definition of "GWC?"

GWC -Guy With Camera

Commonly used in the modeling/photographer biz, 'GWC' is any poser/creep with a digital camera pretending to be a pro/semi-pro photographer. With the introduction of digital cameras, GWC's have appeared like an explosion in a toy store.

GWC's typically steal the work of others and don't have any references.
"Some GWC asked me to 'test' for him, what a creep."

"What's with all the GWC's on OneModelPlace.com, lately?"

"Damn GWC's are ruining it for the rest of us." - Pro Photographers

Provided by: www.urbandictionary.com


...or do you have a better definition?
Sep 12 08 05:07 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photos by Frizz
Posts: 157
San Diego, California, US


that pretty much sums it up
Sep 12 08 05:12 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
STUDIO 236
Posts: 936
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


Hollywood Starlet wrote:
Do you agree with this definition of "GWC?"

GWC -Guy With Camera

Commonly used in the modeling/photographer biz, 'GWC' is any poser/creep with a digital camera pretending to be a pro/semi-pro photographer. With the introduction of digital cameras, GWC's have appeared like an explosion in a toy store.

GWC's typically steal the work of others and don't have any references.
"Some GWC asked me to 'test' for him, what a creep."

"What's with all the GWC's on OneModelPlace.com, lately?"

"Damn GWC's are ruining it for the rest of us." - Pro Photographers

Provided by: www.urbandictionary.com


...or do you have a better definition?

i agree, there are to many of them.....there are a few that think they are a model agent, photographer, director, and so on....

take a look at a Pro GWC... http://www.paulrobertsint.com/

Sep 12 08 05:15 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Pirates Associes
Posts: 101
Marseille, Provence-Alpes-Côte-d'Azur, France


I know another GWC too : Guy With Computer
Sep 12 08 05:16 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
The Alternative Image
Posts: 4,129
London, England, United Kingdom


Well the model I am doing a shoot with tomorrrow had one on her last shoot, it was going fine until he pulled a g string out of his kit bg and asked her to put it on and go topless, when it clearly states on her profile that  she does not do that type of modeling.

Needless to say she left in a hurry

Thats a GWC
Sep 12 08 05:16 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jason Matson
Posts: 38
Pomona, California, US


That's horrible.
Sep 12 08 05:18 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Craig Allen Studio
Posts: 4,307
Tacoma, Washington, US


Hollywood Starlet wrote:
...or do you have a better definition?

Do you equate GWC's with stated years of experience or displayed talent?

just wondering.

Sep 12 08 05:24 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Hollywood Starlet
Posts: 5,487
Beverly Hills, California, US


Hollywood Starlet wrote:
...or do you have a better definition?
Craig Allen Studio wrote:
Do you equate GWC's with stated years of experience or displayed talent?

just wondering.

I have no idea.

I guess it varies.

::shrugs::

Because anyone can be a "creep"....

Sep 12 08 05:28 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Glamour by Glenn
Posts: 933
Nashville, Tennessee, US


I know I'm a newbie so I'm placing myself at risk of ridicule here, but I think that sometimes the term is used to loosely. There are guys out there who buy cameras just to photograph women. They range from perverts to Playboy photographers. However, I think your definition is probably the closest to how I perceive the term.

A couple of years ago I contacted a model to ask if she was interested in working on some photos for our portfolios. I don't know what I said wrong but I assure you all I made no sexual references, no insinuations that I was looking for a date, nor was I even wanting to do nudes or even swimwear. She emailed me back and said that I was just a GWC and to leave her alone. Not being very savvy, I didn't know what a GWC was so I asked the question on another popular forum. Man, did I open up a can of worms! I was roasted in there! I earned the GWC name and could not shake it. The only reason it stuck is because I had just quit my job as a photojournalist and wanted to branch into commercial photography. I had worked with three models and only had three photos posted at the time. So, because I did not have an extensive portfolio I was labeled a GWC. I had worked as a pro photographer for years but in another field.

So I think that we might ought to take it easy on the beginners and not throw that label out too quickly. Models should always be on guard to stay safe and if something does not feel right, don't shoot with a photog. But don't label him with that unless it is clear he deserves it.

Sorry for the rant, but I'm glad to see the issue discussed. Thanks for posting that.

Glenn C
Sep 12 08 05:29 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Hollywood Starlet
Posts: 5,487
Beverly Hills, California, US


Pirates Associes wrote:
I know another GWC too : Guy With Computer

smile

Sep 12 08 05:29 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Hollywood Starlet
Posts: 5,487
Beverly Hills, California, US


Creative Art and Light wrote:
I know I'm a newbie so I'm placing myself at risk of ridicule here, but I think that sometimes the term is used to loosely. There are guys out there who buy cameras just to photograph women. They range from perverts to Playboy photographers. However, I think your definition is probably the closest to how I perceive the term.

A couple of years ago I contacted a model to ask if she was interested in working on some photos for our portfolios. I don't know what I said wrong but I assure you all I made no sexual references, no insinuations that I was looking for a date, nor was I even wanting to do nudes or even swimwear. She emailed me back and said that I was just a GWC and to leave her alone. Not being very savvy, I didn't know what a GWC was so I asked the question on another popular forum. Man, did I open up a can of worms! I was roasted in there! I earned the GWC name and could not shake it. The only reason it stuck is because I had just quit my job as a photojournalist and wanted to branch into commercial photography. I had worked with three models and only had three photos posted at the time. So, because I did not have an extensive portfolio I was labeled a GWC. I had worked as a pro photographer for years but in another field.

So I think that we might ought to take it easy on the beginners and not throw that label out too quickly. Models should always be on guard to stay safe and if something does not feel right, don't shoot with a photog. But don't label him with that unless it is clear he deserves it.

Sorry for the rant, but I'm glad to see the issue discussed. Thanks for posting that.

Glenn C

All photographers were once a GWC or FWC - Female.. minus perversion...

You gotta start somewhere, right?

smile

Sep 12 08 05:31 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
STUDIO 236
Posts: 936
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


Hollywood Starlet wrote:
All photographers were once a GWC or FWC - Female.. minus perversion...

You gotta start somewhere, right?

smile

you sure do......26yrs ago...

Sep 12 08 05:40 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Hollywood Starlet
Posts: 5,487
Beverly Hills, California, US


Hollywood Starlet wrote:
All photographers were once a GWC or FWC - Female.. minus perversion...

You gotta start somewhere, right?

smile
peter leverett wrote:
you sure do......26yrs ago...

And with beautiful photographs to show for it...

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/080624/09/4860f77cebd1a_m.jpg

smile

Sep 12 08 05:48 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
J-DEW-PHOTO
Posts: 5
Yuba City, California, US


We're all voyers. We all start out somewhere. Some models start out too with some craziness. Check ports.  Is there any manipulated shots? Any Photoshop?  Paint.net?  Hell's bells, Corel?  Any creative license applied at all? Or does it look like a disposable pulled out at a BBQ?

A true perv keeps it to themself. Even a quack dreamer will go out on the limb. 

"So many times it happens so fast you , you change your passion for glory...." Eye of the Tiger - Survivor - get it or get out! OK.  Its 80's corny, but it rings true.

keep on rockin on,

Jack
J|DEW|PHOTO
Sep 12 08 05:56 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
HoneyDripp Photography
Posts: 1,261
Paramus, New Jersey, US


Why wouldnt you call a Playboy Photographer a GWC. 
He's a Creep, obviously got into the bizz to take pics of naked girls.
and i wouldnt be suprised if he has screwed a few of the models he's shot.

so whats the diff.   

now if someone is actually steeling photo's and calling them his own...then he's not a GWC...he's a thief.
Sep 12 08 06:08 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


While GWC is used on many sites to mean simply "guy with camera" with the implication that he may not have much skill or professionalism, the Model Mayhem usage is a little stricter:-

http://www.modelmayhem.com/faqs.php?faq … =22&link=1

Basically, if you call someone a GWC here you are accusing him of only being interested in seeing naked women for his own pleasure and using his camera as a prop to facilitate that. By this definition, a GWC might actually have excellent photography skills, but if his motivation for taking photos is only to get women naked then he's a GWC regardless of the quality of his work.

Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
Sep 12 08 06:12 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
EffettoNeve
Posts: 2
Salerno, Campania, Italy


I'm a GWC, i have very little experience in taking picz, i didn't attend any photography school... but i always tell to my models that i'm not a pro!
And, above all, i don't ask for sex or any kind of dating.
By the way, i have a photoblog with backstage picz, landscapes and journalistic picz. Pageviews: 7000
Another GWC (girl with camera) is posting her nude selfpicz. Pageviews: 400.000
I think i'm gonna work with naked models for a while...
Sep 12 08 06:14 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
K E E L I N G
Posts: 39,773
Peoria, Illinois, US


Hollywood Starlet wrote:
Do you agree with this definition of "GWC?"

GWC -Guy With Camera

Commonly used in the modeling/photographer biz, 'GWC' is any poser/creep with a digital camera pretending to be a pro/semi-pro photographer. With the introduction of digital cameras, GWC's have appeared like an explosion in a toy store.

GWC's typically steal the work of others and don't have any references.
"Some GWC asked me to 'test' for him, what a creep."

"What's with all the GWC's on OneModelPlace.com, lately?"

"Damn GWC's are ruining it for the rest of us." - Pro Photographers

Provided by: www.urbandictionary.com


...or do you have a better definition?

None of these statements have anything to do with the term GWC.  A GWC label has nothing to do with quality of work, references, stealing images, or any of the above.

A GWC is simply someone who doesn't care about the image making process, he takes pictures for the single purpose of getting in the company of the object of his desire.  He can be very talented and produce fantastic work and still be a GWC, depending on his true reason for producing that fantastic work.

So no, I don't agree with your definition.

Sep 12 08 06:16 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Hollywood Starlet
Posts: 5,487
Beverly Hills, California, US


Chris Keeling wrote:
None of these statements have anything to do with the term GWC.  A GWC label has nothing to do with quality of work, references, stealing images, or any of the above.

A GWC is simply someone who doesn't care about the image making process, he takes pictures for the single purpose of getting in the company of the object of his desire.  He can be very talented and produce fantastic work and still be a GWC, depending on his true reason for producing that fantastic work.

So no, I don't agree with your definition.

The definition from www.urbandictionary.com ?

mmmm

orly...

So that's what a GWC really is?

Didn't know.

Thanks for giving your definition.

smile

Sep 12 08 06:20 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
J-DEW-PHOTO
Posts: 5
Yuba City, California, US


Dear EffetoNeve,

I don't think your skill level has anything to do with your GWC status.  It's your intent. What you see when you look at a model.

There are photogs who have never attended any formal training, and yet their work appeared in popular photo mags.  Anyone can take a picture. Not everyone's an artist.  Keep it up.

keep on rockin on,

Jack
J|DEW|PHOTO
Sep 12 08 06:23 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Hollywood Starlet
Posts: 5,487
Beverly Hills, California, US


EffettoNeve wrote:
I'm a GWC, i have very little experience in taking picz, i didn't attend any photography school... but i always tell to my models that i'm not a pro!
And, above all, i don't ask for sex or any kind of dating.
By the way, i have a photoblog with backstage picz, landscapes and journalistic picz. Pageviews: 7000
Another GWC (girl with camera) is posting her nude selfpicz. Pageviews: 400.000
I think i'm gonna work with naked models for a while...

At least you're honest and upfront about that.

Not many are.

Sep 12 08 06:23 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
K E E L I N G
Posts: 39,773
Peoria, Illinois, US


Hollywood Starlet wrote:

The definition from www.urbandictionary.com ?

mmmm

orly...

So that's what a GWC really is?

Didn't know.

Thanks for giving your definition.

smile

Isn't that website you list just a compilation of people posting with their own definitions of things?  How would that be considered accurate?

I didn't look up GWC but apparently somebody who didn't know what the hell they were talking about popped a definition in there.

Sep 12 08 06:26 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Hollywood Starlet
Posts: 5,487
Beverly Hills, California, US


Chris Keeling wrote:
Isn't that website you list just a compilation of people posting with their own definitions of things?  How would that be considered accurate?

I didn't look up GWC but apparently somebody who didn't know what the hell they were talking about popped a definition in there.

I believe they are generalizations from society.

Let me try to find a valid definition for ya.

brb

smile

Sep 12 08 06:27 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
K E E L I N G
Posts: 39,773
Peoria, Illinois, US


Hollywood Starlet wrote:

I believe they are generalizations from society.

Let me try to find a valid definition for ya.

brb

smile

I already know the definition, but thanks.  smile

Sep 12 08 06:30 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
EffettoNeve
Posts: 2
Salerno, Campania, Italy


J-DEW-PHOTO wrote:
Dear EffetoNeve,

I don't think your skill level has anything to do with your GWC status.  It's your intent. What you see when you look at a model.

There are photogs who have never attended any formal training, and yet their work appeared in popular photo mags.  Anyone can take a picture. Not everyone's an artist.  Keep it up.

keep on rockin on,

Jack
J|DEW|PHOTO

Yeah, tanx!
I think it's fair to do some autocritic, sometimes... and guess what? When i see real models, they seem normal girls... but when i look them in my picz, they're really charming...
Still have doubts on GWC definition, 'cause i love to work with no-shame girls (who doesn't?) but i love also to share the emotions i feel when i realize the picz smile
So, what's the equation?

Nude girls + no skills + sharing emotions = NO GWC

Dressed girls + good skills + no share (only reason is to stay with the model) = GWC

Do you agree?

Sep 12 08 06:30 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Hollywood Starlet
Posts: 5,487
Beverly Hills, California, US


www.ehow.com

"HOW TO HANDLE A GUY WITH CAMERA"

"A GWC is just a guy with a camera. He is not a professional business person and he probably is not looking for business but looking for a more personal relationship with someone. He has found out that his expensive cameras seem to attract young men and women and he uses that equipment to reel them into his web. Be careful. Read the tips and warnings section and finish reading this article after this email and comment box. I welcome any comments, questions and criticisms of this or any articles that I write."

Click Here

I don't know, this was all I could find.

Maybe you'll find a better link.

::shrugs::
Sep 12 08 06:32 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
LeDeux Art
Posts: 50,123
San Ramon, California, US


Hollywood Starlet wrote:
Do you agree with this definition of "GWC?"

GWC -Guy With Camera

Commonly used in the modeling/photographer biz, 'GWC' is any poser/creep with a digital camera pretending to be a pro/semi-pro photographer. With the introduction of digital cameras, GWC's have appeared like an explosion in a toy store.

GWC's typically steal the work of others and don't have any references.
"Some GWC asked me to 'test' for him, what a creep."

"What's with all the GWC's on OneModelPlace.com, lately?"

"Damn GWC's are ruining it for the rest of us." - Pro Photographers

Provided by: www.urbandictionary.com


...or do you have a better definition?

GWC guy with camera, the guy with camera thinks with his prick, this is reflected in the images he shoots, he may or may not try to bed the models he works with but there is always a box of tissues by his computer, a GWC might steal images or claim someone is stealing theirs, anything for sympathy, smart GWC's learn to take a picture real well to lure prettier models but is not into the art and often are one trick ponys... all photographers are potintial GWC's

Sep 12 08 06:33 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Hollywood Starlet
Posts: 5,487
Beverly Hills, California, US


Chris Keeling wrote:
I already know the definition, but thanks.  smile

oops little too late lol

smile

but I gotcha...

Sep 12 08 06:33 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
LeDeux Art
Posts: 50,123
San Ramon, California, US


GWC's are for a purpose, to pay models to get nekid!
Sep 12 08 06:34 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Hollywood Starlet
Posts: 5,487
Beverly Hills, California, US


LeDeux Art wrote:
GWC guy with camera, the guy with camera thinks with his prick, this is reflected in the images he shoots, he may or may not try to bed the models he works with but there is always a box of tissues by his computer, a GWC might steal images or claim someone is stealing theirs, anything for sympathy, smart GWC's learn to take a picture real well to lure prettier models but is not into the art and often are one trick ponys... all photographers are potintial GWC's

Thanks hon...

This seems to be the most common definition.

I always thought a GWC was only an inexperienced photographer.

Never knew it had to do with sexual advances.

Wow!

yikes

Sep 12 08 06:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
K E E L I N G
Posts: 39,773
Peoria, Illinois, US


Hollywood Starlet wrote:
www.ehow.com

"HOW TO HANDLE A GUY WITH CAMERA"

"A GWC is just a guy with a camera. He is not a professional business person and he probably is not looking for business but looking for a more personal relationship with someone. He has found out that his expensive cameras seem to attract young men and women and he uses that equipment to reel them into his web. Be careful. Read the tips and warnings section and finish reading this article after this email and comment box. I welcome any comments, questions and criticisms of this or any articles that I write."

Click Here

I don't know, this was all I could find.

Maybe you'll find a better link.

::shrugs::

That's closer, but the part I bolded has nothing to do with it and can in fact be inaccurate.

Sep 12 08 06:35 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Hollywood Starlet
Posts: 5,487
Beverly Hills, California, US


Hollywood Starlet wrote:
www.ehow.com

"HOW TO HANDLE A GUY WITH CAMERA"

"A GWC is just a guy with a camera. He is not a professional business person and he probably is not looking for business but looking for a more personal relationship with someone. He has found out that his expensive cameras seem to attract young men and women and he uses that equipment to reel them into his web. Be careful. Read the tips and warnings section and finish reading this article after this email and comment box. I welcome any comments, questions and criticisms of this or any articles that I write."

Click Here

I don't know, this was all I could find.

Maybe you'll find a better link.

::shrugs::
Chris Keeling wrote:
That's closer, but the part I bolded has nothing to do with it and can in fact be inaccurate.

Maybe they went a little over board with that statement.

lol

Sep 12 08 06:37 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Hollywood Starlet
Posts: 5,487
Beverly Hills, California, US


Stefano Brunesci wrote:
While GWC is used on many sites to mean simply "guy with camera" with the implication that he may not have much skill or professionalism, the Model Mayhem usage is a little stricter:-

http://www.modelmayhem.com/faqs.php?faq … =22&link=1

Basically, if you call someone a GWC here you are accusing him of only being interested in seeing naked women for his own pleasure and using his camera as a prop to facilitate that. By this definition, a GWC might actually have excellent photography skills, but if his motivation for taking photos is only to get women naked then he's a GWC regardless of the quality of his work.

Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

Thanks Stefano..

Yeah, the MM one is much more strict.

Yikes!

yikes


smile

Sep 12 08 06:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 26,921
Dearborn, Michigan, US


Hollywood Starlet wrote:

All photographers were once a GWC or FWC - Female.. minus perversion...

You gotta start somewhere, right?

smile

Are you saying that FWC have no perversion?  lol

Sep 12 08 06:46 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Hollywood Starlet
Posts: 5,487
Beverly Hills, California, US


Hollywood Starlet wrote:
All photographers were once a GWC or FWC - Female.. minus perversion...

You gotta start somewhere, right?

smile
Jerry Nemeth wrote:
Are you saying that FWC have no perversion?  lol

lol

No, I meant for both, just making sure everyone knew what the "F" meant.

No confusions.

big_smile

Sep 12 08 06:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
STUDIO 236
Posts: 936
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


LeDeux Art wrote:

GWC guy with camera, the guy with camera thinks with his prick, this is reflected in the images he shoots, he may or may not try to bed the models he works with but there is always a box of tissues by his computer, a GWC might steal images or claim someone is stealing theirs, anything for sympathy, smart GWC's learn to take a picture real well to lure prettier models but is not into the art and often are one trick ponys... all photographers are potintial GWC's

you gotta love it... dont you?

Sep 12 08 06:51 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Hollywood Starlet
Posts: 5,487
Beverly Hills, California, US


The Alternative Image  wrote:
Well the model I am doing a shoot with tomorrrow had one on her last shoot, it was going fine until he pulled a g string out of his kit bg and asked her to put it on and go topless, when it clearly states on her profile that  she does not do that type of modeling.

Needless to say she left in a hurry

Thats a GWC

yikes

Sep 12 08 06:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Christopher Hall
Posts: 1,168
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


Hollywood Starlet wrote:
GWC -Guy With Camera
...or do you have a better definition?

GWC: indicates that the photographer has no real talent or creativety & is only into it to get cheap thrills & hopefully get laid

Sep 12 08 06:53 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
STUDIO 236
Posts: 936
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


Hollywood Starlet wrote:

Thanks hon...

This seems to be the most common definition.

I always thought a GWC was only an inexperienced photographer.

Never knew it had to do with sexual advances.

Wow!

yikes

Not just sexual advances, but they are after your $$$$.

Sep 12 08 06:53 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
J-DEW-PHOTO
Posts: 5
Yuba City, California, US


EffettoNeve wrote:

Yeah, tanx!
I think it's fair to do some autocritic, sometimes... and guess what? When i see real models, they seem normal girls... but when i look them in my picz, they're really charming...
Still have doubts on GWC definition, 'cause i love to work with no-shame girls (who doesn't?) but i love also to share the emotions i feel when i realize the picz smile
So, what's the equation?

Nude girls + no skills + sharing emotions = NO GWC

Dressed girls + good skills + no share (only reason is to stay with the model) = GWC

Do you agree?

I don't think there's really an equation. One question might be though, "does the subject take away from the composition as a whole?"  You could put majestic Mt Everest in the background but if Jenna Jameson is spreading her legs, nobody is looking at the mountain.  Once again, some people see photography as a catalyst for meeting chicks or satisfying their own perversions.  Others see it as a means to express themselves or where they see the beauty in people/places/things .  And of course others are just $$ -

Jack
J|DEW||PHOTO

Sep 12 08 06:54 am  Link  Quote 
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