Forums > Photography Talk > Alien Bees/REMOTE light triggers-Anyone tried them

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matt 1

Posts: 41

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Just wondering how they compare to Pocket Wizzards ?
on range , and out of sight use ..



reports anyone ?

Dec 03 08 05:11 am Link

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PhillipM

Posts: 8049

Nashville, Tennessee, US

I have both, and use both.

No problem with out of site on either for me.

Dec 03 08 05:34 am Link

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Atris Everson

Posts: 966

Mansfield, Ohio, US

matt 1 wrote:
Just wondering how they compare to Pocket Wizzards ?
on range , and out of sight use ..

reports anyone ?

I got the AB remotes two weeks ago and I love them. Range is good. I had a set of "poverty wizards" I got off ebay and those things worked when they felt like it. I really never figured out what the issue was I simply just got something better. I saw that AB has new ones out that let you change your light levels from the camera. I figured I would save myself $200 and just walk over to my lights and adjust them.

Dec 03 08 05:39 am Link

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Magnus Hedemark

Posts: 4281

Raleigh, North Carolina, US

Also consider Elinchrom Skyports.  I don't shoot with strobe at extensive distances but at more conventional model shoot distances I've never had a failure to fire originating from the radio trigger.

Dec 03 08 07:11 am Link

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Photographer Simon Mott

Posts: 2879

Kirkland, Washington, US

I just ordered a transmitter and 2 receivers. Just checked on UPS and see that they are on island just waiting to clear customs so I can't wait to play with them and say "to hell with wires". Whats the range on the remotes? can anyone give me a heads up.

Dec 03 08 07:17 am Link

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alteredstate

Posts: 1924

MONKTON, Maryland, US

I have them and am not a big fan. I used PWs before and thought these would be a reliable/ cheaper alternative.
My gripes:

No on/off switch. They turn off after two hours. If you haven't used one for that period, it turns off. Lousy for wedding photographers who set up reception lighting in the AM and need them to function in the PM. You have to go around to each strobe and press the button a few times.
No lanyard to attach to light stands. The hang on, only by virtue of the synch connector. Sometimes they just let go and commit suicide.
The channel changing switch on the transmitter is lousy. It's the size of a pencil point and you have to put your fingernail into it to turn it. As there are 16 possible positions, you are never sure you have the right channel. I use several lighting solutions at a wedding, and switching is always a crap shoot. Sometimes you're not exactly on the channel (even though it looks and feels like you are) and no flash.
As far as range, I think line of sight is about 100' (or at least that's as far as I've used it), with walls in the way, I've had spotty performance at 50-60'.
I know they're not PWs (hell, they're $100 less). I just expected better from Buff.
They work, I haven't returned them, but I'm no fan.

Dec 03 08 07:18 am Link

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Bill Sylvester

Posts: 1509

Fairfield, Ohio, US

I assume you are referring to the battery powered receivers?

I have never experienced any of the things you are referring to with the ac powered units.


alteredstate wrote:
I have them and am not a big fan. I used PWs before and thought these would be a reliable/ cheaper alternative.
My gripes:

No on/off switch. They turn off after two hours. If you haven't used one for that period, it turns off. Lousy for wedding photographers who set up reception lighting in the AM and need them to function in the PM. You have to go around to each strobe and press the button a few times.
No lanyard to attach to light stands. The hang on, only by virtue of the synch connector. Sometimes they just let go and commit suicide.
The channel changing switch on the transmitter is lousy. It's the size of a pencil point and you have to put your fingernail into it to turn it. As there are 16 possible positions, you are never sure you have the right channel. I use several lighting solutions at a wedding, and switching is always a crap shoot. Sometimes you're not exactly on the channel (even though it looks and feels like you are) and no flash.
As far as range, I think line of sight is about 100' (or at least that's as far as I've used it), with walls in the way, I've had spotty performance at 50-60'.
I know they're not PWs (hell, they're $100 less). I just expected better from Buff.
They work, I haven't returned them, but I'm no fan.

Dec 03 08 07:49 am Link

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nrvphotography

Posts: 1050

Knoxville, Tennessee, US

I had the cheap ebay ones and these are definitely better! Good quality; well made. Ordered with three day shipping and got in two.

A friend tested the distance and I know it was at least 100 feet. I bought the AC powered one so it has that to keep it hanging onto the light (no lanyard).

Only missed a couple of shots over 3-4 hours.

Dec 03 08 07:53 am Link

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Sam Tang

Posts: 152

Novi, Michigan, US

Here's the link to the remotes.

http://www.alienbees.com/remotes.html

They also have a forum that you can join with great advice, tech info as well as posting images for comments and critiques.

Sam

www.SamTang.com
www.myspace.com/SamTangStudios

Dec 03 08 07:56 am Link

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alteredstate

Posts: 1924

MONKTON, Maryland, US

Bill Sylvester wrote:
I assume you are referring to the battery powered receivers?

I have never experienced any of the things you are referring to with the ac powered units.



You're right, the battery powered receivers. As these are many times firing Q flashes or Canon 580s, I felt the battery powered receivers would be a better alternative. You raise a good point, though. I could add a few of the AC receivers and at least when using the AC strobes, I'd have fixed some issues.

Dec 03 08 07:57 am Link

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Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

I have been looking at them for the last several months
Will prob make th jump with Xmas $$$
Some reviews I found
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/662406/0
http://andrewedwardsphotography.ca/blog/?p=75
http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40996

Dec 03 08 09:20 am Link

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Photos by Lorrin

Posts: 7026

Eugene, Oregon, US

alteredstate wrote:
I have them and am not a big fan. I used PWs before and thought these would be a reliable/ cheaper alternative.
My gripes:

No on/off switch. They turn off after two hours. If you haven't used one for that period, it turns off. Lousy for wedding photographers who set up reception lighting in the AM and need them to function in the PM. You have to go around to each strobe and press the button a few times.
No lanyard to attach to light stands. The hang on, only by virtue of the synch connector. Sometimes they just let go and commit suicide.
The channel changing switch on the transmitter is lousy. It's the size of a pencil point and you have to put your fingernail into it to turn it. As there are 16 possible positions, you are never sure you have the right channel. I use several lighting solutions at a wedding, and switching is always a crap shoot. Sometimes you're not exactly on the channel (even though it looks and feels like you are) and no flash.
As far as range, I think line of sight is about 100' (or at least that's as far as I've used it), with walls in the way, I've had spotty performance at 50-60'.
I know they're not PWs (hell, they're $100 less). I just expected better from Buff.
They work, I haven't returned them, but I'm no fan.

Try using Scotch product like velcor (it is a harder stickier version of velcro and it sticks to itself) (radio shack has it in clear and black) (remembered name it is called Scotch Lock and comes in several stickiness)

Do not use much of it as it really sticks.

Dec 03 08 10:08 am Link

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Michael Kang

Posts: 5

Venice, California, US

If you're talking about the cybersyncs I've been using mine since October and they've been great.  No reliability problems I haven't tested the range (I'm usually within 25' of the strobes), but I can attest that the signal will go around corners, furniture, people... all of which my cheap-o ebay models won't do.

I'm sure if you've been spoiled by PW, then these won't hold a candle, but most of alteredstate's gripes (which are certainly valid), are fixable or work-aroundable.  For example, the no power switch thing, I just take the batteries out when I'm not using them. As far as no place to attach a lanyard, All my strobes already have velcro on them anyway (for gels and such) plus the receivers are feather light compared to PW so using velcro's not a problem.

BTW- when you switch channels, there is a buffer in the receiver (or trigger) so you need to hit the test button once to clear it before it will fire on the new channel.

In any case, you could do worse than the cybersyncs, that's for sure and for the price you can't do much better (until maybe when the new radio poppers come out).

Dec 03 08 08:59 pm Link

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Merch Photography

Posts: 126

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

I plan on getting Cyber Syncs but I am waiting for the Cyber Commander to come out, that thing looks amazing.

https://www.alienbees.com/images/cybercommander.jpg

Dec 03 08 09:11 pm Link

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Kevin Fair

Posts: 2772

Palm Coast, Florida, US

I've never had a misfire yet, been using them about 6 weeks.

I bought the battery receivers so I could use them with my speedlights. I am going to pick up at least one AC receiver in the near future.

Dec 03 08 09:18 pm Link

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Richard Tallent

Posts: 7136

Beaumont, Texas, US

Merch Photography wrote:
I plan on getting Cyber Syncs but I am waiting for the Cyber Commander to come out, that thing looks amazing.

I'm losing hope since right now it's just a 3D rendering.

But since they are giving everyone a full refund on the old RT-101's, I'm sending my three receivers and transmitter in for the AC version of these as soon as I can.

Once the Cyber Commander comes out, I'd love to get it, but the price will decide that for me. And you can still use the new basic transmitter with the Cyber Commander if you want to get the control panel off the top of your camera, or if you want to shoot with two cameras at once... the transmitter respects the settings sent by the CC.

Dec 03 08 10:30 pm Link

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matt 1

Posts: 41

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Thank for all of your Reports ..
Would love PW's , but when you have to
buy them in Ausie $$  it can really
hurt  .  sounds like Paul c Buff units will do what I
want ..

Dec 04 08 01:21 am Link

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Chris Trento

Posts: 267

Hackensack, New Jersey, US

I've been using mine a few months now with no misfires. I never used them past 50' but that's just because the need hasn't been there lol. I love them! It's great that they sync with my speedlights @ 320sec... makes a difference in my sports shooting. I had tried the ebay poverty wizards but they were hit or miss.

Dec 04 08 06:27 am Link

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Brandon Vincent

Posts: 800

Idaho Falls, Idaho, US

i gots the cybersyncs and love 'em. dropped 1 about 6 feet on to cement. i had to pulled the batteries out and put them back in, but works fine! love em!

Dec 04 08 07:00 am Link

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T A R I Q

Posts: 1302

Baltimore, Maryland, US

I GOT MINE A FEW WEEKS AGO AND I LOVE THEM -I AM NOW TOTALLY WIRELESS FOR REAL

Oct 16 09 02:41 pm Link

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Form and Pressure

Posts: 755

Auburn, Maine, US

No problems...work great every time....so far.

Oct 16 09 02:45 pm Link