Robert Stedman  wrote:

I must work on a different planet. Imagine the client sitting there with the MUA and hair person all booked and I cancel the shoot? I followed Nike's tagline and just did it. Otherwise I would have lost a few thousand bucks.

Well, no. I'm saying exactly more to the problem being the girl "forgot". And a few thousand bucks, dude you work on a different planet from me.

The MUA could have done some slight covering up to make it easier to retouch though. I've had clients do that if they really wanted to work with me. :shrug:

I'm really out of it today, sorry for the confusion. I got a really bad sinus infection. Thoughts are not quite moving right.

Lauren WK wrote:

If you're so busy that you lost jobs because of having to edit out a tattoo, I don't think you're doing too badly....

For real.

Robert Stedman  wrote:
Hi, It seems that lately I've been more busy retouching models tattoos out than actual time on the shots. Most of my clients don't like the rubbed in ink on skin. I just wonder why it's so popular now. Don't models realize what they'll look like in a few years?

In a few years?
I hope you mean about 20++ years!!

In 30 years i will be 53 and no doubt my skin will start to sag..
my tits will be a little floppy
my @$$ will almost resemble a pancake...
so will the other 53 years olds!!
The only difference is i will be more interesting..
I will have more colorful skin.I still think that i will be more interesting to the eye than non tattooed people!


What i do not get is why people think its a fad.
I don't get the threads that say tattooing yourself is a trend.
I understand people are impressionable but from my understanding women/men that get tattooed to "look cool" get a few subtle tattoos.
The women and men that get more elaborate and massive tattoos are about the art.

Please you 468743653465 person that posts this thread again.. understand that we are completely aware of what we are doing to our bodies.
We're proud of our art and yes! we do understand that we lose work from our body art
And yes we do understand that we gain work.
This is the way we want to look.
Get off your high horse and shoot someone else if you have a problem with tattoos.
We do not need you to accept us!!

xoxo, Jeska

Lauren WK wrote:

If you're so busy that you lost jobs because of having to edit out a tattoo, I don't think you're doing too badly....

Hey Lauren, Amazing port, by the way. Lots of stress last week and today. It wasn't just a small ankle tat it was an amazing sleeve thing and bird on the her shoulder (a tat of a bird, that is). Getting back to my original theme, I didn't see this amount of tats just five years ago. So I was wondering why, that's all.

Kevin Russo Photography wrote:
No of this makes any sense, If the client was there and the model showed up with tattoos and it's not what the client wanted they should have called off the shoot.

9 models it it was getting thin???

I 've seen casting with 100's of models before they picked one. And know that some castings are in the 1000's or more

Seems like a bad business model to me.

Kevin Russo -Photographer

Kevin, I'm in Singapore and the shoot was with a caucasian. Not lots around.

Robert Stedman  wrote:

Kevin, I'm in Singapore and the shoot was with a caucasian. Not lots around.

Then you need to find a better way of casting Models.

Jeska L Vardinski wrote:

In a few years?
I hope you mean about 20++ years!!

In 30 years i will be 53 and no doubt my skin will start to sag..
my tits will be a little floppy
my @$$ will almost resemble a pancake...
so will the other 53 years olds!!
The only difference is i will be more intersting..
I will have more colorful skin.I still think that i will be more interesting to the eye than non tattooed people!


What i do not get is why people think its a fad.
I don't get the threads that say tattooing yourself is a trend.
I understand people are impressionable but from my women/men that get tattooed to "look cool" get a few subtle tattoos.
The women and men that get more elaborate and massive tattoos are about the art.

Please you 468743653465 person that posts this thread again.. understand that we are completely aware of what we are doing to our bodies.
We're proud of our art and yes! we do understand that we lose work from our body art
And yes we do understand that we gain work.
This is the way we want to look.
Get off your high horse and shot someone else.
We do not need you to accept us!!

xoxo, Jeska

Jeska, Thanks but my horse isn't that high...it has really short legs.  I think people relate tattoos to a fad because it wasn't around, or should I say mainstream, a few years ago.

Robert Stedman wrote:
Hey Lauren, Amazing port, by the way. Lots of stress last week and today. It wasn't just a small ankle tat it was an amazing sleeve thing and bird on the her shoulder (a tat of a bird, that is). Getting back to my original theme, I didn't see this amount of tats just five years ago. So I was wondering why, that's all.

She had a whole sleeve and you didn't notice that in her portfolio...?

Why?  Personal choice.

Kevin Russo Photography wrote:

Then you need to find a better way of casting Models.

True. Very true.

Robert Stedman  wrote:
Jeska, Thanks but my horse isn't that high...it has really short legs.  I think people relate tattoos to a fad because it wasn't around, or should I say mainstream, a few years ago.

Oooh, my.

Lauren WK wrote:

She had a whole sleeve and you didn't notice that in her portfolio...?

Why?  Personal choice.

Lauren, why are you attacking me? I've related that it WASN'T shown or mentioned in her port. She "forgot" to tell us. The whole shoot was rushed, as usual, and had a lot of drama.

I was just wondering why it's become so mainstream, that's all. So far, I've been told to to get off my high horse, choose better models and send out the retouching.

Robert Stedman  wrote:
Hi, It seems that lately I've been more busy retouching models tattoos out than actual time on the shots. Most of my clients don't like the rubbed in ink on skin. I just wonder why it's so popular now. Don't models realize what they'll look like in a few years?

Body modification (including tattoos) tends to be an expression of being unhappy with one's identity.  In the most extreme cases it leads to self-mutilation or "surgical addiction".

Robert Stedman  wrote:
Kevin, I'm in Singapore and the shoot was with a caucasian. Not lots around.

Hi Robert,  i dont want to threadjack so sent you a PM

Kevin Russo Photography wrote:

Why are you or your clients casting Tattooed Models then spending time removing them, cast non tattooed models. I am obviously missing something.

seconded.
It's like complaining about having to shoot blondes when you really wanted to shoot brunettes.

Darrin Acreman wrote:

Hi Robert,  i dont want to threadjack so sent you a PM

Darrin, I love it..."threadjack!"

Faith EnFire wrote:

seconded.
It's like complaining about having to shoot blondes when you really wanted to shoot brunettes.

Thanks Faith. No, I love shooting blondes.  Sorry, circumstances here aren't like in the US.

J C ModeFotografie wrote:

Body modification (including tattoos) tends to be an expression of being unhappy with one's identity.  In the most extreme cases it leads to self-mutilation or "surgical addiction".

LMAO that is the most hilarious (and ridiculous) thing i've heard all week.

Kerosene Deluxe wrote:
LMAO that is the most hilarious (and ridiculous) thing i've heard all week.

Ahahahah, yes.  I tend to feel like a lot of the tattooed people I meet (not all, but a lot) are more secured in who they are.....

Lauren WK wrote:

Ahahahah, yes.  I tend to feel like a lot of the tattooed people I meet (not all, but a lot) are more secured in who they are.....

You see this what I don't understand. Why guy says they're nuts ( I'm paraphrasing) while you say they're more secure.

Faith EnFire wrote:
true but there are a lot of student teachers aren't there? Oh the sounds accusatory, I don't mean it like that. And a lot of performers. There some fire performers in that part of the world but they usually have a lot of modificatins. so I suppose that wouldn't meet your purposes, but anyways...

Student teachers? Hmm. Not many that are up to the task of modeling. And most have contracts that don't allow them to moonlight.

Robert Stedman  wrote:
Lauren, why are you attacking me? I've related that it WASN'T shown or mentioned in her port. She "forgot" to tell us. The whole shoot was rushed, as usual, and had a lot of drama.

I was just wondering why it's become so mainstream, that's all. So far, I've been told to to get off my high horse, choose better models and send out the retouching.

I'm not attacking you, I'm just finding a lot of holes in your story.  This whole thing is amusing, really.

I think it's kind of weird that she had an entire sleeve, but none of it showed in her portfolio.  I'm also STILL wondering why you're complaining about tattoos, rather than your dishonest model.

No one can tell you "why it's become so mainstream" any better than any guess you yourself can come up with.  If you are looking for the speculations of others, though, you could try checking any one of the other 239839834 threads concerning this topic.

Robert Stedman  wrote:

You see this what I don't understand. Why guy says they're nuts ( I'm paraphrasing) while you say they're more secure.

People can say whatever they want!  That doesn't make it true!  Your looking for factual information on a topic that people can pretty much only give you opinions on.

Lauren WK wrote:

I'm not attacking you, I'm just finding a lot of holes in your story.  This whole thing is amusing, really.

I think it's kind of weird that she had an entire sleeve, but none of it showed in her portfolio.  I'm also STILL wondering why you're complaining about tattoos, rather than your dishonest model.

No one can tell you "why it's become so mainstream" any better than any guess you yourself can come up with.  If you are looking for the speculations of others, though, you could try checking any one of the other 239839834 threads concerning this topic.

Lauren WK wrote:

I'm not attacking you, I'm just finding a lot of holes in your story.  This whole thing is amusing, really.

I think it's kind of weird that she had an entire sleeve, but none of it showed in her portfolio.  I'm also STILL wondering why you're complaining about tattoos, rather than your dishonest model.

No one can tell you "why it's become so mainstream" any better than any guess you yourself can come up with.  If you are looking for the speculations of others, though, you could try checking any one of the other 239839834 threads concerning this topic.

Robert Stedman  wrote:
Lauren, Holes in my story? Why would I make up a story. Yes, I was pissed off with the model and I had to do a lot of retouching. Silly me. I was just wondering, that's all.

I don't recall saying that you made up your story....  All I said was there were holes, which is why I am asking you questions.  You're getting a little defensive, Robert....

Lauren WK wrote:

I don't recall saying that you made up your story....  All I said was there were holes, which is why I am asking you questions.  You're getting a little defensive, Robert....

Yes, yes, I am! I was just questing why and had one guy tell me to mind my business, while others suggested I am stupid. Paranoid. I just wanted some opinions. Most of my work is commercial and clients, most of the time, want clear skin.

Robert Stedman  wrote:
Hi, It seems that lately I've been more busy retouching models tattoos out than actual time on the shots. Most of my clients don't like the rubbed in ink on skin. I just wonder why it's so popular now. Don't models realize what they'll look like in a few years?

Well don't shoot tattooed models unless they pay you therefore you won't have to spout out useless complaints about them on top of the gazillion other tattoo threads.
And what does it matter to you what tattooed people will look like in a few years!
Though carry on with your b*tching if you must!!!

Robert Stedman  wrote:
Hi, It seems that lately I've been more busy retouching models tattoos out than actual time on the shots. Most of my clients don't like the rubbed in ink on skin. I just wonder why it's so popular now. Don't models realize what they'll look like in a few years?

Don't work with models that have tattoos.  If you are shooting for clients, and if you are paying the models, you have plenty of choices.  You can choose the models you want to shoot.

Robert Stedman  wrote:

Yes, yes, I am! I was just questing why and had one guy tell me to mind my business, while others suggested I am stupid. Paranoid. I just wanted some opinions. Most of my work is commercial and clients, most of the time, want clear skin.

It's not hard to find the clear skin untattooed models
well because money talks and models walk!

Lauren WK wrote:
I still don't know why you're complaining about tattoos, rather than the model who lied to you....

Loli Anna wrote:
+1

+2

Robert Stedman  wrote:
Hi, It seems that lately I've been more busy retouching models tattoos out than actual time on the shots. Most of my clients don't like the rubbed in ink on skin. I just wonder why it's so popular now. Don't models realize what they'll look like in a few years?

Jeska L Vardinski wrote:
In a few years?
I hope you mean about 20++ years!!

In 30 years i will be 53 and no doubt my skin will start to sag..
my tits will be a little floppy
my @$$ will almost resemble a pancake...
so will the other 53 years olds!!
The only difference is i will be more interesting..
I will have more colorful skin.I still think that i will be more interesting to the eye than non tattooed people!


What i do not get is why people think its a fad.
I don't get the threads that say tattooing yourself is a trend.
I understand people are impressionable but from my understanding women/men that get tattooed to "look cool" get a few subtle tattoos.
The women and men that get more elaborate and massive tattoos are about the art.

Please you 468743653465 person that posts this thread again.. understand that we are completely aware of what we are doing to our bodies.
We're proud of our art and yes! we do understand that we lose work from our body art
And yes we do understand that we gain work.
This is the way we want to look.
Get off your high horse and shoot someone else if you have a problem with tattoos.
We do not need you to accept us!!

xoxo, Jeska

Very well stated Jeska!!!

ChanStudio wrote:

Don't work with models that have tattoos.  If you are shooting for clients, and if you are paying the models, you have plenty of choices.  You can choose the models you want to shoot.

Agreed.  I pay models for my fine arts nude work and have no problem finding models without tattoos.  I don't see any reason to question models who have tats  -- it's their decision, and if they're happy with the way they look, that's cool with me.  There are still plenty of models without tats for me to work with.