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Vanessa Dawn- Jhaesayte
Posts: 2,567
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I would think that the best bet would be to actually contact the artists that you like from the agencies personally and meet up with them. Show them your book and ask if they need an assistant once in a while.
Dec 01 09 07:35 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Diana
Posts: 2,372
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Phenomenal post Kathy!

Just for the record though folks, though it may feel like you are applying for a job with an agency (especially when you are hoping for one to rep you), artists do not work for agencies; agencies work for artists.
Dec 01 09 08:13 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
chart
Posts: 2,363
Los Angeles, California, US


Diana wrote:
Phenomenal post Kathy!

Just for the record though folks, though it may feel like you are applying for a job with an agency (especially when you are hoping for one to rep you), artists do not work for agencies; agencies work for artists.

oh happy day!!!!!!!!!! Diana!!!!! good to "see" your face here smile


  this is a great post. I just signed with an agency in Denver and still learning the ropes.....a lot more to learn then I thought.

  thanks Kat and D!!!

xoxoxo

Dec 01 09 08:36 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
jdm
Posts: 1,221
Chicago, Illinois, US


Diana wrote:
Phenomenal post Kathy!

Just for the record though folks, though it may feel like you are applying for a job with an agency (especially when you are hoping for one to rep you), artists do not work for agencies; agencies work for artists.

big_smile

Dec 01 09 09:23 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
KathyAragon
Posts: 959
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Diana wrote:
Phenomenal post Kathy!

Just for the record though folks, though it may feel like you are applying for a job with an agency (especially when you are hoping for one to rep you), artists do not work for agencies; agencies work for artists.

Thanks guys, it's been a bit since I've seen this. Glad it still helps!

And Diana, if it's good enough to resurrect you from the MM Grave then I have done my job! lol. WOOHOO! Miss you lady!
Kat

Dec 01 09 02:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
ROSHAR
Posts: 3,791
New York, New York, US


Diana wrote:
Phenomenal post Kathy!

Just for the record though folks, though it may feel like you are applying for a job with an agency (especially when you are hoping for one to rep you), artists do not work for agencies; agencies work for artists.

I know Im hijacking but its so good to see you in here!

Dec 01 09 05:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Masquerade Makeup
Posts: 64


There is a goldmine of useful information in this thread and for that I am thankful.
I have one question however, and I'm hoping there are enough Ontario/Toronto based MUA's to be able to help me out with which agencies to go and see/contact?
I'm doing freelance work right now but I would like to maybe see if I can work with a boutique agency (or bigger!)

Thanks for your help guys!
Dec 01 09 06:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Diana
Posts: 2,372
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Thanks for the welcome back guys. smile

Miranda, I'm based out of Toronto and sadly the city is in a sad state agency wise. Feel free to email me for more detailed info.
Dec 01 09 07:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Masquerade Makeup
Posts: 64


Who wants to start an agency in the Toronto area then!? tongue

Thanks Diana, I emailed you and I am so grateful for your time!
Dec 01 09 08:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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TheMakeupMan
Posts: 3,744
Los Angeles, California, US


Diana wrote:
Phenomenal post Kathy!

Just for the record though folks, though it may feel like you are applying for a job with an agency (especially when you are hoping for one to rep you), artists do not work for agencies; agencies work for artists.

Totally!!!!! people forget this all the time
Unless an agent is giving you the majority of your work , and your making a good living , they work for you

And people please remember

There is a HUGE difference between an Agent and a Manager and a PR person 

Alot of people treat their Agents like a Manager and  PR's , it's just not so

Most agents just want to handel bookings , billings , calenders and travel
It's not so much like the old days when an agent will "GROOM" the artist , or handel the artists PR , they might on a very small scale but thats so far and few between now

So generally it goes like this

Agent: Handels bookings, Billing , Calanders, Travel

Manager : Grooms artist and directs career

PR : Gets your name out there and creates hype , gets you and your work in mags , on tv , interviews

Your the luckiest person in the world if you can find an agent who is good at all 3 and does that for you , but its not in my experience

My first agent was more like that   an agent and manager and pr guy , but I think thats super rare , mabey im wrong

Dec 02 09 08:38 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Faces by SAM
Posts: 270
Woodbridge, Virginia, US


TheMakeupman wrote:

Totally!!!!! people forget this all the time
Unless an agent is giving you the majority of your work , and your making a good living , they work for you

And people please remember

There is a HUGE difference between an Agent and a Manager and a PR person 

Alot of people treat their Agents like a Manager and  PR's , it's just not so

Most agents just want to handel bookings , billings , calenders and travel
It's not so much like the old days when an agent will "GROOM" the artist , or handel the artists PR , they might on a very small scale but thats so far and few between now

So generally it goes like this

Agent: Handels bookings, Billing , Calanders, Travel

Manager : Grooms artist and directs career

PR : Gets your name out there and creates hype , gets you and your work in mags , on tv , interviews

Your the luckiest person in the world if you can find an agent who is good at all 3 and does that for you , but its not in my experience

My first agent was more like that   an agent and manager and pr guy , but I think thats super rare , mabey im wrong

So how do we get a manager and a pr person?  should newer artists work on getting an agent first and getting more work/tears under their belt and then move on to looking for a manager and pr person?

Dec 02 09 01:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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Neil Snape
Posts: 9,439
Paris, Île-de-France, France


Diana wrote:
Thanks for the welcome back guys. smile

Miranda, I'm based out of Toronto and sadly the city is in a sad state agency wise. Feel free to email me for more detailed info.

Can you tell more about the current Toronto situation?

I might be returning to Toronto, and would like to know how it is now.

Last time I was there (1994), about three agencies existed two majors. Has it changed a lot?

Dec 02 09 02:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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TheMakeupMan
Posts: 3,744
Los Angeles, California, US


Faces by SAM wrote:

So how do we get a manager and a pr person?  should newer artists work on getting an agent first and getting more work/tears under their belt and then move on to looking for a manager and pr person?

Yes work on getting busy enough to have an agent .
If you get to a certain level or someone belives in you enough they might manage your career
Anyone can have a PR person , all you have to do is pay them , a good investiment if they have good connections

Dec 02 09 03:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Hair Stylist
A J T
Posts: 3,113
Brooklyn, New York, US


Diana wrote:
Thanks for the welcome back guys. smile

Miranda, I'm based out of Toronto and sadly the city is in a sad state agency wise. Feel free to email me for more detailed info.

Another threadjack...

Welcome back! big_smile

Dec 02 09 04:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Faces by SAM
Posts: 270
Woodbridge, Virginia, US


TheMakeupman wrote:

Yes work on getting busy enough to have an agent .
If you get to a certain level or someone belives in you enough they might manage your career
Anyone can have a PR person , all you have to do is pay them , a good investiment if they have good connections

Thanks.  I appreciate all your feedback!

Dec 02 09 04:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Neil Snape
Posts: 9,439
Paris, Île-de-France, France


Alexander Tome wrote:

Another threadjack...

Welcome back! big_smile

KMA answered the original post so well that a little leeway is still inline about agents, reps, managers etc.

The only thing that I didn't find in any of the threads was the relation with the photographers also plays into which agent (s) would be interested in repping a MUA.

The agents here are quite different some based on shows, some on editorial/commercial, others on grooming stars for film and festivals. What your local agencies are specialised in if any will be quite different. The photographers you work with are the company you keep, which has a huge influence on an agents decision on your potential relationship.

Dec 03 09 08:01 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Diana
Posts: 2,372
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Neil Snape wrote:
Can you tell more about the current Toronto situation?

I might be returning to Toronto, and would like to know how it is now.

Last time I was there (1994), about three agencies existed two majors. Has it changed a lot?

Hey Neil...

I'm travelling with only my iPhone for correspondence. When I return home I wil respond in depth.

Dec 03 09 08:31 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Neil Snape
Posts: 9,439
Paris, Île-de-France, France


Diana wrote:

Hey Neil...

I'm travelling with only my iPhone for correspondence. When I return home I wil respond in depth.

I am waiting with impatience. Have a safe and good trip.

Dec 03 09 02:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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KathyAragon
Posts: 959
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Yes, I wish we could post a list of great PR people. lol. I don't have a clue about where to start there!
Dec 03 09 02:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Diana
Posts: 2,372
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Neil Snape wrote:
I might be returning to Toronto, and would like to know how it is now.

Last time I was there (1994), about three agencies existed two majors. Has it changed a lot?

There are currently 5 agencies that rep artists in Toronto

Page One Management (The newest on the scene, representing most of Canada's top artists)
The Artist Group Ltd.
Plutino Group
Judy Inc.
Ford (Model agency with and artist division)

Dec 04 09 01:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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TheMakeupMan
Posts: 3,744
Los Angeles, California, US


K M A wrote:
Yes, I wish we could post a list of great PR people. lol. I don't have a clue about where to start there!

You got me there , I have heard of a few great ones and all too often ones who take the money and do nothing , Finding a good PR persone would be a GREAT thread and super helpfull but I dont have any stand out names

Dec 04 09 04:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Diana
Posts: 2,372
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I got lucky.  An incident at my former agency of 20+ years led me to my new one, Page One Management.  It's the newest agency in Toronto and is for the moment, small and focuses on management and p.r. for top Canadian artists.

I've only been with them since September and can see and feel the difference a good agency makes.

When I mentioned earlier in the thread that the city is in a sad state agency wise, I meant that there are not a lot of 'quality' choices. 

I feel for jr artists in this city. sad
Dec 04 09 04:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DA PHOTO
Posts: 1,517
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


wow page one , my buddy greg is there too along with the best

what a move...
i am impressed.
Dec 04 09 04:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Kristen S Makeup
Posts: 1,371
Plymouth, Massachusetts, US


TheMakeupman wrote:
You got me there , I have heard of a few great ones and all too often ones who take the money and do nothing , Finding a good PR persone would be a GREAT thread and super helpfull but I dont have any stand out names

Does it make sense to have a PR person if you're not already booking high-ish profile gigs?  I always felt like you should be creating some of your own excitement before you take the step to PR.  Maybe I'm putting the cart before the horse.  But it seems to me that if you don't have a whole lot going on already, there's not as much for the PR person to work with for you...creating the taking of the money and not giving back situation. 

Sorry if this is a hijack!

Dec 04 09 07:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Diana
Posts: 2,372
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Kristen Strassel wrote:
Does it make sense to have a PR person if you're not already booking high-ish profile gigs?  I always felt like you should be creating some of your own excitement before you take the step to PR.  Maybe I'm putting the cart before the horse.  But it seems to me that if you don't have a whole lot going on already, there's not as much for the PR person to work with for you...creating the taking of the money and not giving back situation. 

Sorry if this is a hijack!

Exactly. 

If you've not yet honed your talent or at least achieved some notoriety, there is no point in hiring someone to handle p.r. as there is nothing for them to handle.

Dec 04 09 07:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
PhoenixFX
Posts: 78
Los Angeles, California, US


I know this thread is a bit old, but I feel I should jump in and use it anyway. First off, thanks so much KMA for the amazing info you posted! Definitely being saved for reference later.

As a former agency repped actor, I've always had my sights set on a makeup artist agency, but after reading everyone's comments I'm not sure if I'm even close to being ready for one or if my work quality is up to par. I'm trying to go through portfolio revisions right now with better photographers and quality models to build a port for submissions, but would it be better to start with a boutique agency instead? Are they more willing to take a chance on an up and coming artist who might have a modicum of raw talent and just needs to be refined? Or does that matter at all and it's solely based on your port and body of work?

This may not be the exact thread for that question...I'm not sure, but any advice would be appreciated!
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