Diana wrote:
Phenomenal post Kathy!

Just for the record though folks, though it may feel like you are applying for a job with an agency (especially when you are hoping for one to rep you), artists do not work for agencies; agencies work for artists.

oh happy day!!!!!!!!!! Diana!!!!! good to "see" your face here


  this is a great post. I just signed with an agency in Denver and still learning the ropes.....a lot more to learn then I thought.

  thanks Kat and D!!!

xoxoxo

Diana wrote:
Phenomenal post Kathy!

Just for the record though folks, though it may feel like you are applying for a job with an agency (especially when you are hoping for one to rep you), artists do not work for agencies; agencies work for artists.

Diana wrote:
Phenomenal post Kathy!

Just for the record though folks, though it may feel like you are applying for a job with an agency (especially when you are hoping for one to rep you), artists do not work for agencies; agencies work for artists.

Thanks guys, it's been a bit since I've seen this. Glad it still helps!

And Diana, if it's good enough to resurrect you from the MM Grave then I have done my job! lol. WOOHOO! Miss you lady!
Kat

Diana wrote:
Phenomenal post Kathy!

Just for the record though folks, though it may feel like you are applying for a job with an agency (especially when you are hoping for one to rep you), artists do not work for agencies; agencies work for artists.

I know Im hijacking but its so good to see you in here!

Diana wrote:
Phenomenal post Kathy!

Just for the record though folks, though it may feel like you are applying for a job with an agency (especially when you are hoping for one to rep you), artists do not work for agencies; agencies work for artists.

Totally!!!!! people forget this all the time
Unless an agent is giving you the majority of your work , and your making a good living , they work for you

And people please remember

There is a HUGE difference between an Agent and a Manager and a PR person 

Alot of people treat their Agents like a Manager and  PR's , it's just not so

Most agents just want to handel bookings , billings , calenders and travel
It's not so much like the old days when an agent will "GROOM" the artist , or handel the artists PR , they might on a very small scale but thats so far and few between now

So generally it goes like this

Agent: Handels bookings, Billing , Calanders, Travel

Manager : Grooms artist and directs career

PR : Gets your name out there and creates hype , gets you and your work in mags , on tv , interviews

Your the luckiest person in the world if you can find an agent who is good at all 3 and does that for you , but its not in my experience

My first agent was more like that   an agent and manager and pr guy , but I think thats super rare , mabey im wrong

TheMakeupman wrote:

Totally!!!!! people forget this all the time
Unless an agent is giving you the majority of your work , and your making a good living , they work for you

And people please remember

There is a HUGE difference between an Agent and a Manager and a PR person 

Alot of people treat their Agents like a Manager and  PR's , it's just not so

Most agents just want to handel bookings , billings , calenders and travel
It's not so much like the old days when an agent will "GROOM" the artist , or handel the artists PR , they might on a very small scale but thats so far and few between now

So generally it goes like this

Agent: Handels bookings, Billing , Calanders, Travel

Manager : Grooms artist and directs career

PR : Gets your name out there and creates hype , gets you and your work in mags , on tv , interviews

Your the luckiest person in the world if you can find an agent who is good at all 3 and does that for you , but its not in my experience

My first agent was more like that   an agent and manager and pr guy , but I think thats super rare , mabey im wrong

So how do we get a manager and a pr person?  should newer artists work on getting an agent first and getting more work/tears under their belt and then move on to looking for a manager and pr person?

Diana wrote:
Thanks for the welcome back guys.

Miranda, I'm based out of Toronto and sadly the city is in a sad state agency wise. Feel free to email me for more detailed info.

Can you tell more about the current Toronto situation?

I might be returning to Toronto, and would like to know how it is now.

Last time I was there (1994), about three agencies existed two majors. Has it changed a lot?

Faces by SAM wrote:

So how do we get a manager and a pr person?  should newer artists work on getting an agent first and getting more work/tears under their belt and then move on to looking for a manager and pr person?

Yes work on getting busy enough to have an agent .
If you get to a certain level or someone belives in you enough they might manage your career
Anyone can have a PR person , all you have to do is pay them , a good investiment if they have good connections

Diana wrote:
Thanks for the welcome back guys.

Miranda, I'm based out of Toronto and sadly the city is in a sad state agency wise. Feel free to email me for more detailed info.

Another threadjack...

Welcome back!

TheMakeupman wrote:

Yes work on getting busy enough to have an agent .
If you get to a certain level or someone belives in you enough they might manage your career
Anyone can have a PR person , all you have to do is pay them , a good investiment if they have good connections

Thanks.  I appreciate all your feedback!

Alexander Tome wrote:

Another threadjack...

Welcome back!

KMA answered the original post so well that a little leeway is still inline about agents, reps, managers etc.

The only thing that I didn't find in any of the threads was the relation with the photographers also plays into which agent (s) would be interested in repping a MUA.

The agents here are quite different some based on shows, some on editorial/commercial, others on grooming stars for film and festivals. What your local agencies are specialised in if any will be quite different. The photographers you work with are the company you keep, which has a huge influence on an agents decision on your potential relationship.

Neil Snape wrote:
Can you tell more about the current Toronto situation?

I might be returning to Toronto, and would like to know how it is now.

Last time I was there (1994), about three agencies existed two majors. Has it changed a lot?

Hey Neil...

I'm travelling with only my iPhone for correspondence. When I return home I wil respond in depth.

Diana wrote:

Hey Neil...

I'm travelling with only my iPhone for correspondence. When I return home I wil respond in depth.

I am waiting with impatience. Have a safe and good trip.

Neil Snape wrote:
I might be returning to Toronto, and would like to know how it is now.

Last time I was there (1994), about three agencies existed two majors. Has it changed a lot?

There are currently 5 agencies that rep artists in Toronto

Page One Management (The newest on the scene, representing most of Canada's top artists)
The Artist Group Ltd.
Plutino Group
Judy Inc.
Ford (Model agency with and artist division)

K M A wrote:
Yes, I wish we could post a list of great PR people. lol. I don't have a clue about where to start there!

You got me there , I have heard of a few great ones and all too often ones who take the money and do nothing , Finding a good PR persone would be a GREAT thread and super helpfull but I dont have any stand out names

TheMakeupman wrote:
You got me there , I have heard of a few great ones and all too often ones who take the money and do nothing , Finding a good PR persone would be a GREAT thread and super helpfull but I dont have any stand out names

Does it make sense to have a PR person if you're not already booking high-ish profile gigs?  I always felt like you should be creating some of your own excitement before you take the step to PR.  Maybe I'm putting the cart before the horse.  But it seems to me that if you don't have a whole lot going on already, there's not as much for the PR person to work with for you...creating the taking of the money and not giving back situation. 

Sorry if this is a hijack!

Kristen Strassel wrote:
Does it make sense to have a PR person if you're not already booking high-ish profile gigs?  I always felt like you should be creating some of your own excitement before you take the step to PR.  Maybe I'm putting the cart before the horse.  But it seems to me that if you don't have a whole lot going on already, there's not as much for the PR person to work with for you...creating the taking of the money and not giving back situation. 

Sorry if this is a hijack!

Exactly. 

If you've not yet honed your talent or at least achieved some notoriety, there is no point in hiring someone to handle p.r. as there is nothing for them to handle.