CristinaLex wrote:

CAUSE SHE SLIM....lol..thats the only pics I am seeing being posted and talked about...of couse a slim women can make killer shots...its ALWAYS like tht

that's the funny thing though...i'm not as slim as people think...I am a 35 ,25 1/4, and a 38 in the hips. Trust me back there I have those curves...and losing four inches in that area does not seem like a posibility!!!!! p.s. I saw your photos and you are beautiful with that short do.

CristinaLex wrote:

I AM toned...i working on gett more toned and fimer than i am already....

I dont need you or any one else ont this site to kiss my ass cause I dont kiss anyoes ass either..

I just like the way you really quickly stereotype a black model into saying I can do nothing but glamour....who the hell are you...another photographer who thinks he knows much but not a damn thing at all...

If you know so much tell me MR BCI, where DO YOU thinki I fit in???

OMG cant wait till this weekend when my edited pics are in my port...Cant believe how ONE SIDED some people are....guess your the lovers of the skinny black women....the averages

Then get rid of the thick untoned pics and post the good new ones.

The real question is, where do YOU think you fit in?

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:
So, this isn't really about nudity so much as it is about one photographer's lack of skill photographing you?

Very interesting.

CristinaLex wrote:
This is more about me recently working with photographers who know how to work a women with curves...and then working with some who dont know what the hell they are doing and getting upset at images that are not worthwhile...

Photographers that shoot more women with 'body" know thier good and bads and how to make her look appealing...rather than some photographers who shoot slimmies and dnt know what to make you look like ...but then try to confine you into lookin like what they are used to working with

I seriously am not dissing you in any way Cris, but do the photographers you work with have to give you a lot of direction in posing?  That may be the problem.  I don't know, and I'm certainly not saying you can't work your ish. . .but the photographer IMO is capturing you, the lighting and all.  If you can't pose effectively, he may very well not know how to manipulate the lens to capture what you aren't posing.  I don't know.  I certainly have not had the experiences you've gone through.  I'm just asking if knowing how to effectively pose for a particular style of photography I don't think falls in the hands of the photographer totally.  I think that the model needs to bring her A game as well and pose accordingly.  That's what I struggle with: knowing how to pose to accentuate my shape instead of amplify it.

Dawn Elle Ray wrote:

that's the funny thing though...i'm not as slim as people think...I am a 35 ,25 1/4, and a 38 in the hips. Trust me back there I have those curves...and losing four inches in that area does not seem like a posibility!!!!! p.s. I saw your photos and you are beutiful with that short do.

I wasnt downing you..and thank you very much for the comment....

I am just getting peeved by people telling me what I am limited to and what I cannot do when these are photographers and not agencies....

Jayne Jones wrote:

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:
So, this isn't really about nudity so much as it is about one photographer's lack of skill photographing you?

Very interesting.

I seriously am not dissing you in any way Cris, but do the photographers you work with have to give you a lot of direction in posing?  That may be the problem.  I don't know, and I'm certainly not saying you can't work your ish. . .but the photographer IMO is capturing you, the lighting and all.  If you can't pose effectively, he may very well not know how to manipulate the lens to capture what you aren't posing.  I don't know.  I certainly have not had the experiences you've gone through.  I'm just asking if knowing how to effectively pose for a particular style of photography I don't think falls in the hands of the photographer totally.  I think that the model needs to bring her A game as well and pose accordingly.  That's what I struggle with: knowing how to pose to accentuate my shape instead of amplify it.

That photographeer was directing my pose..and everytime I suggested a pose to open up my shape and give it a different outlook...he told me he didnt want my hips to wide and he wanted to make them seem smaller and my shape to seem smaller...which is making my shape look false to the world...which ic something I wasnt going for

Jayne Jones wrote:

I seriously am not dissing you in any way Cris, but do the photographers you work with have to give you a lot of direction in posing?  That may be the problem.  I don't know, and I'm certainly not saying you can't work your ish. . .but the photographer IMO is capturing you, the lighting and all.  If you can't pose effectively, he may very well not know how to manipulate the lens to capture what you aren't posing.  I don't know.  I certainly have not had the experiences you've gone through.  I'm just asking if knowing how to effectively pose for a particular style of photography I don't think falls in the hands of the photographer totally.  I think that the model needs to bring her A game as well and pose accordingly.  That's what I struggle with: knowing how to pose to accentuate my shape instead of amplify it.

Jayne, there's a way to fix that.

I would suggest you find a photog that's used to working with new models, because we know how to get the right poses out of you as opposed to just clicking away and hoping we catch a winner (which is a problem with photogs with digital cams, not all, but enough do that). Photographers that started off doing film are good at giving direction because each shot costs money, and we don't like to waste money.

BCI Photo wrote:

Jane, there's a way to fix that.

I would suggest you find a photog that's used to working with new models, because we know how to get the right poses out of you as opposed to just clicking away and hoping we catch a winner (which is a problem with photogs with digital cams, not all, but enough do that). Photographers that started off doing film are good at giving direction because each shot costs money, and we don't like to waste money.

obviously your all about money.....nothing but money dont care about the models aspirations...about your pocket..especially when some models out there need help

chris paul wrote:
lol is this all a joke?

it didnt start that way..........

CristinaLex wrote:

I AM toned...i working on gett more toned and fimer than i am already....

I dont need you or any one else ont this site to kiss my ass cause I dont kiss anyoes ass either..

I just like the way you really quickly stereotype a black model into saying I can do nothing but glamour....who the hell are you...another photographer who thinks he knows much but not a damn thing at all...

If you know so much tell me MR BCI, where DO YOU thinki I fit in???

OMG cant wait till this weekend when my edited pics are in my port...Cant believe how ONE SIDED some people are....guess your the lovers of the skinny black women....the averages

Hey lady a bit more for this comment..come on yo make me feel bad because I'm thin. The funny thing is that growing up I was teased for being skinny by the black people and I'm sure you were praised for being thick...so now I have come somewhere that praises me for getting thinner. It's all about the where and what for...just because us "skinny black models" catch slack here doesn't mean that we haven't been teased and out of the crowd before..you should know this that in a caucasion market the skinny women are preferred be it white or black. There are plenty of places that love you and your body type..you just have to find them...i went on an all fatty food reverse diet while i was in high school just to get bigger thighs and butt and breasts and then got on birth control and achieved the breasts and butt factors but now here i am trying to go back to the way I was before I wanted to get bigger. I guess what I'm trying to say is that soemtimes you'll be accepted and sometimes you won't it just depends on the time period and place. Wherever you end up it should be a place tht accepts who you are because it's always going to be some way that you and your body aren't good enough but another where it's the best. luv ya!!

chris paul wrote:
lol is this all a joke?

it must be... but it aint funny

chris paul wrote:
lol is this all a joke?

it must be... but it aint funny

chris paul wrote:
lol is this all a joke?

it must be... but it aint funny

CristinaLex wrote:

obviously your all about money.....nothing but money dont care about the models aspirations...about your pocket..especially when some models out there need help

Screw you, pay me! lol

Film & developing costs money
Make up costs money
Electricity costs money
My time and expertise costs money

Now, what warrants me working for free, exactly? This isn't the first church of BCI... Oh wait, church costs money too, that's why they pass around the plate 3, 4 times. lol  but anyway, I didn't tell her to PAY a photog to do it, I said FIND one. Plenty of people out there shoot for free "just because."

Me, i'm very selective about who I cover shooting costs with. It's an earned credit, as it should be.

CristinaLex wrote:

obviously your all about money.....nothing but money dont care about the models aspirations...about your pocket..especially when some models out there need help

Did you actually read what the guy wrote?

It's easy to pop off shots with a digital camera in the hope of getting one good one every now and again.  But if you're used to working with film you tend to pay more attention to what's going on in the shot, knowing that every frame that isn't any good is a waste of money.  This means that you have to develop a good working relationship with a model if you're going to turn out good pics.

BCI Photo wrote:

Screw you, pay me! lol

Film & developing costs money
Make up costs money
Electricity costs money
My time and expertise costs money

Now, what warrants me working for free, exactly? This isn't the first church of BCI... Oh wait, church costs money too, that's why they pass around the plate 3, 4 times. lol  but anyway, I didn't tell her to PAY a photog to do it, I said FIND one. Plenty of people out there shoot for free "just because."

Me, i'm very selective about who I cover shooting costs with. It's an earned credit, as it should be.

LLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!

No she didnt just say youre all about money when she earlier clearly stated that she would shoot nude for  $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$....

BCI Photo wrote:

Screw you, pay me! lol

Film & developing costs money
Make up costs money
Electricity costs money
My time and expertise costs money

Now, what warrants me working for free, exactly? This isn't the first church of BCI... Oh wait, church costs money too, that's why they pass around the plate 3, 4 times. lol  but anyway, I didn't tell her to PAY a photog to do it, I said FIND one. Plenty of people out there shoot for free "just because."

Me, i'm very selective about who I cover shooting costs with. It's an earned credit, as it should be.

LLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!

No she didnt just say youre all about money when she earlier clearly stated that she would shoot nude for  $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$....

Dawn Elle Ray wrote:

Hey lady a bit more for this comment..come on yo make me feel bad because I'm thin. The funny thing is that growing up I was teased for being skinny by the black people and I'm sure you were praised for being thick...so now I have come somewhere that praises me for getting thinner. It's all about the where and what for...just because us "skinny black models" catch slack here doesn't mean that we haven't been teased and out of the crowd before..you should know this that in a caucasion market the skinny women are preferred be it white or black. There are plenty of places that love you and your body type..you just have to find them...i went on an all fatty food reverse diet while i was in high school just to get bigger thighs and butt and breasts and then got on birth control and achieved the breasts and butt factors but now here i am trying to go back to the way I was before I wanted to get bigger. I guess what I'm trying to say is that soemtimes you'll be accepted and sometimes you won't it just depends on the time period and place. Wherever you end up it should be a place tht accepts who you are because it's always going to be some way that you and your body aren't good enough but another where it's the best. luv ya!!

actually I was slimmer when I was younger , when I hit thirteen I started l looking like the way my momma looked in her teens i grew hips and butt and chest....so I didnt look like this till I was thirteen...I have been cursed this body...I used to do ballet, ice skating and quit everything once my body changed...

and I haven been praised for being this way all the time..I ahve been called fat...I cant even eat around skinny friends because they make you feel soo bad...

and worse enough mr BCI thinks you body is exceptional but only deem my body for booty shows and shots...thats all I am good for now...so I mean I dont mean to make it seem I have anything against slime women...like the thread on here cleary shows...another Thread ...Slim women dont have shyt half as bad as though who wanna do more but cant physically change their shape...my hips are not going any where unless I was to get surgery...

Slim models all over MM get praised for nude modelin and what not but a fat or phat models tries that and were shunned and shyt ..unless we are in a booty mag thats different....Cause WHAT thats all BCI thinks were good for...

CristinaLex wrote:

I wasnt downing you..and thank you very much for the comment....

I am just getting peeved by people telling me what I am limited to and what I cannot do when these are photographers and not agencies....

But you're the one that said you couldn't do nudes because of your shape. 

Figure/art nude modeling is the most egalitarian form of modeling. There are nheight or weight restirctions. There are no sample garments to fill out.  It's all about celebrating the beauty of the human form. Compare me to Lapis to Shyly to Model Sarah to Kat Love to Iona Lynn... all very different types and all successful figure models.

Tom Sullivan wrote:

Did you actually read what the guy wrote?

It's easy to pop off shots with a digital camera in the hope of getting one good one every now and again.  But if you're used to working with film you tend to pay more attention to what's going on in the shot, knowing that every frame that isn't any good is a waste of money.  This means that you have to develop a good working relationship with a model if you're going to turn out good pics.

no because he didnt mention shooting with film and any one I have shot with shoots with a digital cam.....so thats his way of doing things and I have mine...

theda wrote:

But you're the one that said you couldn't do nudes because of your shape. 

Figure/art nude modeling is the most egalitarian form of modeling. There are nheight or weight restirctions. There are no sample garments to fill out.  It's all about celebrating the beauty of the human form. Compare me to Lapis to Shyly to Model Sarah to Kat Love to Iona Lynn... all very different types and all successful figure models.

well obviously BCI is making requirements to nude modeling now....and I did contact a photographer that is extremely good and an exception to me to try and experiement with artistic nude...But WHAT ..BCI sais I dont fit those requirements to even be NAKED :?

CristinaLex wrote:
actually I was slimmer when I was younger , when I hit thirteen I started l looking like the way my momma looked in her teens i grew hips and butt and chest....so I didnt look like this till I was thirteen...I have been cursed this body...I used to do ballet, ice skating and quit everything once my body changed...

and I haven been praised for being this way all the time..I ahve been called fat...I cant even eat around skinny friends because they make you feel soo bad...

and worse enough mr BCI thinks you body is exceptional but only deem my body for booty shows and shots...thats all I am good for now...so I mean I dont mean to make it seem I have anything against slime women...like the thread on here cleary shows...another Thread ...Slim women dont have shyt half as bad as though who wanna do more but cant physically change their shape...my hips are not going any where unless I was to get surgery...

Slim models all over MM get praised for nude modelin and what not but a fat or phat models tries that and were shunned and shyt ..unless we are in a booty mag thats different....Cause WHAT thats all BCI thinks were good for...

You clearly have body issues. I'm sorry you can't appreciate yourself, but that is your issue, not us "slimmies." And not BCI, who never said or intimated in anyway what he thinks you're good for.

By the way, I can't physically change my shape either without implants.  We're all constrained by the same basic physiology.

theda wrote:

You clearly have body issues. I'm sorry you can't appreciate yourself, but that is your issue, not us "slimmies." And not BCI, who never said or intimated in anyway what he thinks you're good for.

By the way, I can't physically change my shape either without implants.  We're all constrained by the same basic physiology.

Not I dont have body issues....slimmies are the ones getting eveything on tv and in the industry...hardly any one my sized getting noticed


yea and he did say what I am good for...urban glamour modeling...cause obviously...I dont fit the standards for any thing else and hardly that ....read back to what he posted...its CLEAR to what he really meant

CristinaLex wrote:

actually I was slimmer when I was younger , when I hit thirteen I started l looking like the way my momma looked in her teens i grew hips and butt and chest....so I didnt look like this till I was thirteen...I have been cursed this body...I used to do ballet, ice skating and quit everything once my body changed...

and I haven been praised for being this way all the time..I ahve been called fat...I cant even eat around skinny friends because they make you feel soo bad...

and worse enough mr BCI thinks you body is exceptional but only deem my body for booty shows and shots...thats all I am good for now...so I mean I dont mean to make it seem I have anything against slime women...like the thread on here cleary shows...another Thread ...Slim women dont have shyt half as bad as though who wanna do more but cant physically change their shape...my hips are not going any where unless I was to get surgery...

Slim models all over MM get praised for nude modelin and what not but a fat or phat models tries that and were shunned and shyt ..unless we are in a booty mag thats different....Cause WHAT thats all BCI thinks were good for...

Yup, she's exceptional for the market she's in and what she did with ole dude from England, that's why he chose her and I would choose her too.

Do you know who this is?



That's Tiara of http://www.tiaraxclusive.com all 5'10 165 pounds of her in a very nice fashionable shot. Makes her living off of booty shots, but has the versatility to do other things.

Now you asked me a question about you and only read half my answer and ran with it because unlike "some" people on here i'm not drooling over your first pic or trying to coddle you. Tough, that's the business. Once you step into the arena, be ready to fight because you're going to be criticized from head to toe for as long as you're in it.

I told you, you're too big and actually too short as well for fashion. You can TAKE fashion pics, but that doesn't mean squat. I can take pics of a quarter pounder, doesn't mean I shoot ad campaigns for Burger King. If you saw my FULL port, you'd be like, "damn! he captured her pretty good!" girls that are your size, Dawns size, etc... because i'm a FULL RANGE photographer that can shoot anybody in any setting.

YOU pigeonholed yourself saying "I can't afford to pay a photog for quality images but i'll do it if a quality photog pays me." And i'm telling you the only way that's gonna happen is if hell freezes over because there's a better selection of models out there that we'd spend our hard earned money on who will gladly do it with a professional attitude and a smile. Will they (photogs) do it for free? Probably, especially if they own a paysite ala Robert Fein but don't count on it unless you have your own paysite and a great buzz about yourself going.

I don't care if you throw a million hissyfits, i'm telling you the dead ass truth and you won't get and can't get a real photographer who knows his shit to disagree with me unless he's one of your buddies.

So go ahead and insult on, i'm not arguing with you and it doesn't change anything. i'm asking you legit questions that you can't seem to answer without getting all heated like somebody spit in your shoes lol
....
And you still didn't answer the question, what market do you THINK you fit in?

BCI Photo wrote:
Jane, there's a way to fix that.

I would suggest you find a photog that's used to working with new models, because we know how to get the right poses out of you as opposed to just clicking away and hoping we catch a winner (which is a problem with photogs with digital cams, not all, but enough do that). Photographers that started off doing film are good at giving direction because each shot costs money, and we don't like to waste money.

CristinaLex wrote:
obviously your all about money.....nothing but money dont care about the models aspirations...about your pocket..especially when some models out there need help

Cris
Please calm down.  The man is economical, and you have to be these days.  Gas costs more than milk after all.

He's just saying that when you shoot with film, every frame counts.  You may not shoot 200+ frames with "film" like you would with a digital camera.  It costs too much to develop, it takes too long and film is not cheap.  He's just saying that if you shoot digital, you have more freedom to get tons of useless images b/c you have so much more space on the little diskie thingie than if you were shooting rolls of film.

Now c'mon.  We're goin to the spa for a mani and pedi and a glass of wine so you can relax a bit.  These forums have gotten you all tense up.

Jayne Jones wrote:

BCI Photo wrote:
Jane, there's a way to fix that.

I would suggest you find a photog that's used to working with new models, because we know how to get the right poses out of you as opposed to just clicking away and hoping we catch a winner (which is a problem with photogs with digital cams, not all, but enough do that). Photographers that started off doing film are good at giving direction because each shot costs money, and we don't like to waste money.

Cris
Please calm down.  The man is economical, and you have to be these days.  Gas costs more than milk after all.

He's just saying that when you shoot with film, every frame counts.  You may not shoot 200+ frames with "film" like you would with a digital camera.  It costs too much to develop, it takes too long and film is not cheap.  He's just saying that if you shoot digital, you have more freedom to get tons of useless images b/c you have so much more space on the little diskie thingie than if you were shooting rolls of film.

Now c'mon.  We're goin to the spa for a mani and pedi and a glass of wine so you can relax a bit.  These forums have gotten you all tense up.

Naw she right, I don't know what i'm talking about. I'm just talking out my bunghole.
lol

Now c'mon, pizza is on... Er, make that a tofu salad with no dressing... is on me.

BCI Photo wrote:

Naw she right, I don't know what i'm talking about. I'm just talking out my bunghole.
lol

Now c'mon, pizza is on... Er, make that a tofu salad with no dressing... is on me.

.............you can choke on the salad ill eat the pizza....

CristinaLex wrote:
and I think I fit in any market I deem will accpet me, BESIDES the average ass booty market...


and even though that is a beautiful pic of miss Tiara...it isnt show much of her fashion wise....she sitting down???...she looks awesome in that pic...but thats all I see her face not her figure what the dress looks like on her...maybe you have somerhing in your port more of her i might have to check ..but that pic isnt showing what she really has....

Well, that's not really answering the question. But if you must know, which is what i'm trying to tell you and you don't want to accept it, is that with your build as you have shown us now, the market that would best accept you is the urban glamour market. As of what you've shown us so far, that would be your best niche. Don't care if you like it or not, themz da factz.

Oh i'll break em out on you like chickenpox, I just liked this one more because i'm going for a soft feel more-so than anything else, and this was the one I liked the most. Not trying to shock and wow people with booty right now, there's way too much of that going on as it is.

BCI Photo wrote:

Well, that's not really answering the question. But if you must know, which is what i'm trying to tell you and you don't want to accept it, is that with your build as you have shown us now, the market that would best accept you is the urban glamour market. As of what you've shown us so far, that would be your best niche. Don't care if you like it or not, themz da factz.

Oh i'll break em out on you like chickenpox, I just liked this one more because i'm going for a soft feel more-so than anything else, and this was the one I liked the most. Not trying to shock and wow people with booty right now, there's way too much of that going on as it is.

But you dont understand...I will start out in that field...but I dont wanna stay there...I dont wanna be there...Yall dont know how much I see myself going far...but again everyone just sees it as ass mags only.......

theda wrote:

You clearly have body issues. I'm sorry you can't appreciate yourself, but that is your issue, not us "slimmies." And not BCI, who never said or intimated in anyway what he thinks you're good for.

By the way, I can't physically change my shape either without implants.  We're all constrained by the same basic physiology.

I think it's most interesting that she's ignored pretty much everything I've said.  Me, a black photographer who is known for shooting nude/erotic work with all body types [tfp no less].  My motto:  I shoot who shows up.

All she has to do is get here...or somewhere I'm planning to be.  And we're in business.

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:

I think it's most interesting that she's ignored pretty much everything I've said.  Me, a black photographer who is known for shooting nude/erotic work with all body types [tfp no less].  My motto:  I shoot who shows up.

All she has to do is get here...or somewhere I'm planning to be.  And we're in business.

Did you tell her about the GHB in the "model water jug" you keep in the fridge?

I KID!! I KID!!!
lol

CristinaLex wrote:
Yall dont know how much I see myself going far...but again everyone just sees it as ass mags only.......

This statement is a totally unfair projection.  I don't recall anyone in this thread mentioning anything about "ass mags" -- certainly not me.  The more this goes on the more I come to think your issue goes deeper than one experience with one photographer.

btw:  What's with the typing in ebonics?  Don't you think that's rather...unecessary?

BCI Photo wrote:
Did you tell her about the GHB in the "model water jug" you keep in the fridge?

I KID!! I KID!!!
lol

That was my water jug.  Models have to bring their own drugs to my shoots.

Jayne Jones wrote:
How did this go from the absence of AA models in artistic nudes (which btw is probably a direct reflection on the shortage of AA models period in comparison to Caucasian ones), to Cristina Lex. . .what will you do with your career????

This is sooooooooooooo out in left field.

Ah Lady Jane my mortal enemy
Alas, even I must admit b4 the gods
This moment, the earth shutters
As we are in agreement..........

Jayne Jones wrote:
How did this go from the absence of AA models in artistic nudes (which btw is probably a direct reflection on the shortage of AA models period in comparison to Caucasian ones), to Cristina Lex. . .what will you do with your career????

This is sooooooooooooo out in left field.

Ah, this is why reading is fundamental. *wink*

Jayne Jones wrote:
How did this go from the absence of AA models in artistic nudes (which btw is probably a direct reflection on the shortage of AA models period in comparison to Caucasian ones), to Cristina Lex. . .what will you do with your career????

This is sooooooooooooo out in left field.

Actually, I believe she herself took us there.  Quite frankly, I think everything has been completely on point...Unless you think her reasons have nothing to do with why there are so few black models doing nude/erotic/fetish work.

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:

Actually, I believe she herself took us there.  Quite frankly, I think everything has been completely on point...Unless you think her reasons have nothing to do with why there are so few black models doing nude/erotic/fetish work.

Well stated. Furthermore, all the "slimmies" "little asses" etc comments scream insecurity.
Art nude is a very wide genre, encompassing diverse types of people (old, young, women, men, different ethnicities, tattoos, piercings, etc.). Take the blinders off.
If you want to limit yourself, that's fine. But it wouldn't make sense to blame anyone else for you limiting yourself.