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R. Cervelli
Posts: 1,353
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Nope, I won't do it!! I even had a mom ask me and willing to pay me to shoot her 16 year old daughter nude.

I would rather be eating steak then bread and water! SORRY!
May 10 10 03:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ACPhotography
Posts: 8,608
Plainview, New York, US


Last year I had a girl contact my other port here (all nudes) I looked over her page and refereed her to this port... She was supposedly coming to visit family in NY and wanted to shoot. I was interested in working with her and she did look young so I told her I would not shoot her without seeing ID or a parent present.

She went on to assure me that she was indeed 18 and would have her ID to prove it. Then the conversation started to get odd... She started saying how she was going to be meeting me in her favorite thong and really wanted to shoot nudes...

The time came and went and never heard back from her and her port has been deleted from here.

A few weeks ago on OMP I noticed a model from SC visiting my profile (you can see that on there) I clicked on the profile and it was the same girl (or person using her pictures) except this time the age was listed as 16... For kicks I sent a message saying thanks for visiting my port. A few days later I got a response from a man who said he was her father saying they'd be coming to NY and would be interested in shooting. I sent a message back explaining my first encounter with someone using her pictures and have since heard nothing back...

I think she was a setup... I still think she is... I'm sure there's another port here bearing her pictures... She contacted a few other photographers in my area also...
May 10 10 03:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,472
Salinas, California, US


Morgan Barbour wrote:

I adore Jock's work.

And I adore you! So much so that I might make a special trip for a chance to shoot with you in July when you visit Las Vegas!  Not only are you beautiful, but you bring a common sense approach and maturity that is sadly lacking in some models your age or older.  I love your attitude as much as your look!  Don't change that, please!  smile

May 10 10 03:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert J Gray Photograp
Posts: 105
Melbourne, Florida, US


Two Words: Sally Mann.
Patently non-erotic photos, but the stir that they caused! I don't have the artistic chops to take on that mess, especially as a male photographer! Too much other beauty in the world to explore.
May 10 10 03:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
291
Posts: 11,911
SEQUOIA NATIONAL PARK, California, US


try writing the ad to avoid this problem.
May 10 10 03:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
hbutz New York
Posts: 3,147
New York, New York, US


Dude, it's a narc.  Bail.
May 10 10 03:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
R Blake Photography
Posts: 175
Houston, Texas, US


I don't see what the problem is. If people who dig coal, ore, or gems for a living want a few nude pictures, what is the harm?
May 10 10 03:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,472
Salinas, California, US


hbutz New York wrote:
Dude, it's a narc.  Bail.

Narcotics????  hmm

May 10 10 03:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CGI Images
Posts: 4,989
Wichita, Kansas, US


John, I'd lean way more towards the "other photographer" trying to get dirt on  you than some kind of elaborate sting.

Perhaps even someone from MM trying to get dirt, I've had people I pissed off on here try and cause problems in my "real" world.
May 10 10 03:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Doug Lester
Posts: 10,591
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Of course it's law enforcement, at least the majority of such requests. Several years ago I began receiving those requests, sometimes two or three per month, for a good two years. They were supposedly from young women ranging in age from fourteen to sixteen. Then one day a good four years it was like someone flipped a switch and I never received another. Apparently I passed a test, or a series of tests. I  received them so often that  had a cut and paste reply which I always used, telling them they were too young and to have their parents contact me about conventional modeling.

No it is not illegal to photograph minors in the nude in this country. Of course that answer means you are willing to have your name and photo on the front page of your local newspaper and on
TV calling you am "alleged" child pornographer and to drop $50,000 to $100,000 in legal fees. In a year or two, after you cleared your name, other than a handful of supporters on MM, who would either know or care. As far as the world was concerned, you would simply be a child pornographer who beat the rap.
May 10 10 04:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Wildkat Photography
Posts: 914
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US


John Jebbia wrote:
Ever had a 16 or 17yr old model contact you wanting to shoot and it seems like they're trying to goad you into saying or doing something inappropriate?

For example, I have one who keeps popping up on my instant messenger and she goes on and on about how she'd really like to try nude work, etc.. but when I don't bite, she goes away for a couple days.

I don't think it's law enforcement trying to trap people. My gut is that it's local photographers with fake profiles trying to dig up dirt.

Why in the world does any 16 year old know how to contact you on IM?  Easy thing to block them.

May 10 10 04:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Essential Form
Posts: 2,873
Sedalia, Missouri, US


Makes no difference if it's the law, the competition or the merely clueless.  Just flip a booger at 'em and move on.
May 10 10 04:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gary Melton
Posts: 6,338
Dallas, Texas, US


...look around...if you spot Rod Serling lurking about...you'll know what to do...
May 10 10 04:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photography by Kid Yosh
Posts: 308
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


when shooting nude minors remember two things

1) It's not illegal.
2) the photos MUST not be sexual in nature.

I learned this when I had a nudist family ask me to take photos of them and said "their daughter feels more comfortable with a male photographer."

Context plays a very big role in photos. keep them tasteful within everyones comfort zone. If you don't feel comfortable doing the photos tell them so and hope that they can move on.
May 10 10 04:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gaze at Photography
Posts: 4,371
Hilton Head Island, South Carolina, US


Say "Sure, can I have your Mom's phone number?"
May 10 10 04:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Unikcreations
Posts: 20
Signal Hill, California, US


Just tell her that you will be happy to shoot with her as long as parents sign a release form and are present during the shoot, but even with parents permission is a thin line between becoming a perv and pedhofile, becareful..
May 10 10 04:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jeff Fiore
Posts: 9,179
Pelham, New York, US


John Jebbia wrote:
Ever had a 16 or 17yr old model contact you wanting to shoot and it seems like they're trying to goad you into saying or doing something inappropriate?

For example, I have one who keeps popping up on my instant messenger and she goes on and on about how she'd really like to try nude work, etc.. but when I don't bite, she goes away for a couple days.

I don't think it's law enforcement trying to trap people. My gut is that it's local photographers with fake profiles trying to dig up dirt.

it happened to me 4 years ago - a 16 1/2 year old girl wanted to learn photography from me and also pose nude for me. She said the nude shoot will "be our secret" - I told her NO!!!!! I won't shoot a minor nude even if I did have parental permission and if she wanted me to shoot her nude to come back when she is 18. 1 1/2 years later, I heard from her, she just turned 18 and wanted to shoot nudes. I did shoot her then.

It wouldn't surprise me if it was law enforcement trying to trap you but more than likely, it was probably someone trying to get dirt on you.

May 10 10 04:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jeff Fiore
Posts: 9,179
Pelham, New York, US


Morgan Barbour wrote:
It really depends on the context. I have contacted photographers who shoot nudes that I simply adore and asked them about shooting nudes (after my birthday). It may be a case similar to mine, or possibly girls who just don't understand how taboo it is to shoot a minor nude.

Shooting minors nude isn't inherently illegal, so I really doubt it would be law enforcement; maybe other photographers (wouldn't have been my first thought, but I don't know your market).

While you are right that it is not illegal to shoot nudes of a minor (as long as it isn't sexual or even sensual), law enforcement does take a dim view on it. It's a "smoking gun" to them and you can get hassled, it really isn't worth it.

Since you are 17, I feel i can't say how I would love to shot nudes of you but when you are 18, I will say it smile

May 10 10 04:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Scottsworld71
Posts: 3,587
Mount Vernon, Ohio, US


yep, there was 1 girl who kept bugging me, she even sent me some of her other "modeling" pics ( fully clothed ) the pics were horrible, clowns wear less make up, it made my work look really good and my stuff sucks! She finally got the hint that I wasnt interested and havent heard from her in several months now
May 10 10 04:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RJ Ohrstedt
Posts: 546
Atlanta, Georgia, US


glamour pics wrote:

It could well be law enforcement. Many agencies are constantly running sting operations. Or entrapment, depending on the details and your interpretation of the law. Years ago, before the Internet, the Postal Service was the biggest producer or child porn in the country. When the Service wanted to "get" someone, they would send him a sales pitch for adult porn. But they would then deliver child porn and arrest him when he signed for the sealed plain wrapper package that he thought was legal stuff.

Seems like the easiest thing to do with such requests as the OP indicates, would be to have a form letter response.

It's happened to me, and it ended about the third time I said "I have to talk to your parents before we discuss this anymore; here's my phone number..."

I also had a 16 year old start to take her clothes off during a shoot. She finally put them back on when I started packing my equipment and said that's the end of the shoot. When I told her mother why the shoot was cut short (she had stepped out), she shrugged her shoulders.

May 10 10 05:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
M A B
Posts: 6,504
Richmond, Virginia, US


Jeff Fiore wrote:
While you are right that it is not illegal to shoot nudes of a minor (as long as it isn't sexual or even sensual), law enforcement does take a dim view on it. It's a "smoking gun" to them and you can get hassled, it really isn't worth it.

Since you are 17, I feel i can't say how I would love to shot nudes of you but when you are 18, I will say it smile

Oh, it's definitely taboo (and imo inadvisable in most cases); just sayin' it's not inherently illegal. tongue

And I'm going to be pert and assume that's a compliment. tongue smile

May 10 10 05:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Intimate Sketch
Posts: 323
New York, New York, US


I had a similar case where something just didn't seem right about the way "she" communicated on IM with me.  "she" wanted to pose nude and claimed to be over 18, but I trusted my instinct and blocked that person.
May 10 10 07:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
myfotographer
Posts: 3,367
Fresno, California, US


I get approached for nude shoots frequently. My stock response that I don't do nude shoots of minors along with ID requirements are normally sufficient to send them packing.

I suppose some of these requests could be a sting - either official or a want to be official. Sorry to disappoint. I've never had the impression that another photographer would waste their time trying to string another - Statistics indicate there must be some.

Sorry if you're a target John.
May 10 10 07:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Great Lakes Glamour
Posts: 255
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Just stay away until they are 18!
May 10 10 07:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Quinn Grey
Posts: 25
Longmeadow, Massachusetts, US


I certainly know that if I, as an underage model myself, ever wanted to do a nude shoot, I'd make sure my mother and father were well in contact with the photographer who would be taking the shoots, for safety reasons.

If the model doesn't not want to comply, it is possible someone is trying to dig up dug on you as a photographer, and I wouldn't even doubt it.


Also, is it illegal for a minor photographer to photograph nudes of non-minors?
May 10 10 07:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GeM Photographic
Posts: 2,357
Chicago, Illinois, US


R Blake Photography wrote:
I don't see what the problem is. If people who dig coal, ore, or gems for a living want a few nude pictures, what is the harm?

They'll get the gold mine and he'll get the shaft.

May 10 10 08:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lumigraphics
Posts: 32,655
Detroit, Michigan, US


Morgan Barbour wrote:
It really depends on the context. I have contacted photographers who shoot nudes that I simply adore and asked them about shooting nudes (after my birthday). It may be a case similar to mine, or possibly girls who just don't understand how taboo it is to shoot a minor nude.

Shooting minors nude isn't inherently illegal, so I really doubt it would be law enforcement; maybe other photographers (wouldn't have been my first thought, but I don't know your market).

:clears throat:

If you come up to shoot with Mike...I'm right down the road from him big_smile

May 10 10 08:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Tom deL
Posts: 3,689
Lexington, Ohio, US


Naked Minors

If you shoot 'em in the midst of washing off the coal dust you probably have an 18+ POTD winner. ;-)
May 10 10 08:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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Photographer
GPS Studio Services
Posts: 34,686
San Francisco, California, US


Kiki Orcutt wrote:
Also, is it illegal for a minor photographer to photograph nudes of non-minors?

No, it is not illegal for a minor photographer to shoot nudes of a non-minor nude.

On the other hand, depending on what you were shooting, i.e. how sexually explicit it was, it could well be illegal for the model to pose for the photographer.

Interesting quagmire, huh?

May 10 10 09:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Gabriel Grobler
Posts: 1
Pretoria, Gauteng, South Africa


I think its just a girl/guy who wants to say that they would do ANYTHING to catch a break???? Its really astonishing what young people would do to make a name for themselves, actually very shocking!
May 10 10 09:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lucas Chapman
Posts: 6,129
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


John Jebbia wrote:
Ever had a 16 or 17yr old model contact you wanting to shoot and it seems like they're trying to goad you into saying or doing something inappropriate?

For example, I have one who keeps popping up on my instant messenger and she goes on and on about how she'd really like to try nude work, etc.. but when I don't bite, she goes away for a couple days.

I don't think it's law enforcement trying to trap people. My gut is that it's local photographers with fake profiles trying to dig up dirt.

Avoid these MySpace twerps like the plague, John!
I once had a 15 year old girl tell me she "would do AANNYYTTHHIINNGG" to be a model...  I ran as fast as I could!

May 10 10 09:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Revenge Photography
Posts: 1,782
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


Ken Pegg wrote:
I've been contacted by this 14 year old girl and she wants me to shoot her in the nude. We have arranged a shoot date and now she tells me she is a federal agent.
How cool is that, only 14 and already a federal agent!

rofl

May 10 10 09:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Wildkat Photography
Posts: 914
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US


David Gaze wrote:
Say "Sure, can I have your Mom's phone number?"

Wait, how did I miss the part about her mom being a hottie?

May 10 10 09:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
Vincent Wolff
Posts: 2,840
Chicago, Illinois, US


Morgan Barbour wrote:

Oh, it's definitely taboo (and imo inadvisable in most cases); just sayin' it's not inherently illegal. tongue

And I'm going to be pert and assume that's a compliment. tongue smile

I'm sure it is....I myself am impressed with your maturity, and you already display a fine portfolio

May 11 10 05:20 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Matt Schmidt
Posts: 3,643
Greensboro, North Carolina, US


I alway agree to these . . . but I tell them I don't shoot that here, I shoot these type of photos at this studio, (fill in blank) and give them the number of the local police station.
May 11 10 05:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jeff Fiore
Posts: 9,179
Pelham, New York, US


Morgan Barbour wrote:

Oh, it's definitely taboo (and imo inadvisable in most cases); just sayin' it's not inherently illegal. tongue

And I'm going to be pert and assume that's a compliment. tongue smile

The compliment is timed for your 18th birthday, please ignore it till you are 18 smile

May 11 10 05:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PDF IMAGES PHOTOGRAPHY
Posts: 4,602
Jacksonville, Florida, US


I've had a few underage models/ girls contact me wanting to do nude photography, I see nothing wrong with natural "clean" nude shots of minors, but when I tell them I would need a parent or legal guardian to be there and also sign a minor's model release, they say oooh my mom or dad would not do that !...........FLAG.......well come back when you are 18 or legal age and you sign the release.
May 11 10 05:46 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ToxicWax Photography
Posts: 66
Culver City, California, US


Not gonna name any names but yes! I just got that recently! It sounded really fishy!  Of course I didn't go through with it! Would never do that but it really does sound like someone was fishing.
May 11 10 05:48 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
27255
Posts: 689
San Diego, California, US


John Jebbia wrote:
Ever had a 16 or 17yr old model contact you wanting to shoot and it seems like they're trying to goad you into saying or doing something inappropriate?

For example, I have one who keeps popping up on my instant messenger and she goes on and on about how she'd really like to try nude work, etc.. but when I don't bite, she goes away for a couple days.

I don't think it's law enforcement trying to trap people. My gut is that it's local photographers with fake profiles trying to dig up dirt.

I've had this about three times. It's very pushy and very obvious.

I track emails, etc., and make screen prints.

I'm very careful to say no, and to say why.


Everytime it happens, it seems like a scripted approach ... underage, pushing hard, asking for sexy, porno kind of respons, but in an indirect way like they are trying to make me solicit them.


I also got a feeling it's not official police investigators.

It seems more amature than that, like maybe it's some vigilante white knights who want to protect children from Internet predators.

There is a quality of presentation that's very loaded, and thick-headed.

May 11 10 11:30 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 34,225
San Diego, California, US


Yes, it's always by IM. No connection to MM, myspace, facebook or any other typical social networking sites.

It's always anonymous. A google search for the name or email leads nowhere.

They push me to talk sexy or proposition them, or to offer them a porno shoot or just some kind of nasty situation.


They talk like a dirty phone call, but don't say things exactly or directly ... pushing me to fill in the blanks.


It seems more about sex than about a normal photo shoot.


The way they talk, leads me to believe they are not models, and not photographers.

Their agenda is clear but vague.

When I turn the tables and ask them pointed questions that require detailed answers, they are not prepared with believable answers and they try to get back on the track of prosecuting me.
May 11 10 11:42 am  Link  Quote 
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