DarcieK wrote:
Say what?! I was kinda shocked that he asked me to bring one. And I'm kind of happy he did because the shoot is in a place I've never been before.

Still, I was completely shocked he asked.

Ah well, at least the girl I'm bringing as been a set helper with another student photographer I've worked with so she can help with posing

Damn...don't go spreading that around...

Swank Photography wrote:

Damn...don't go spreading that around...

lol

It's okay. I'm not one to bring escorts, ever. But, with this shoot being in and around water, having her there reassures me cause she can save me if I start drowning

alessandro2009 wrote:
These women are never happy.

Note:
Perhaps after reading many drama topic here on MM that poor photographer thought that could have more opportunities in this way.

haha I think it was just because I am essentially shooting in a place that's a good 24 hour drive away from me (I'm in SK, he's in coastal BC).

Indigo Dream Images wrote:
Hmmm...I always let the models I work with know they can bring an escort...so long as the escort doesnt;

#1- Get in the way
#2- Make the model feel uncomfortable; ie; Jealous SO
#3- Make me feel uncomfortable
#4- Rush the shoot

Other than that, its all good

haha it's definitely not my bf...although if he did come to a shoot he'd probably help out with poses

Small Fruit Pits wrote:
Those that would ask, are the ones that would give me pause for concern.

Why?  This, Ive never understood.  In this day and age, young women can never be to careful.  If you have daughters, you would understand this...right?

   I could really go on and on, but Im sipping my coffee and thats more important than debating this right now..

DarcieK wrote:
Say what?! I was kinda shocked that he asked me to bring one. And I'm kind of happy he did because the shoot is in a place I've never been before.

Still, I was completely shocked he asked.

Ah well, at least the girl I'm bringing as been a set helper with another student photographer I've worked with so she can help with posing

Indigo Dream Images wrote:
Hmmm...I always let the models I work with know they can bring an escort...so long as the escort doesnt;

#1- Get in the way
#2- Make the model feel uncomfortable; ie; Jealous SO
#3- Make me feel uncomfortable
#4- Rush the shoot

Other than that, its all good

I agree with Indigo Dream Images.  And I'll add that I generally require a parental escort for underage models -- many of which can be great to work with!

Small Fruit Pits wrote:
Those that would ask, are the ones that would give me pause for concern.

I think he asked because like I said I'm going to a place I don't know at all, and so if I were to get in an accident in the water, at least there is someone there who knows me and is around.

Flash N Burn wrote:
Didn't want to pay an assistant.

It's a TF shoot so no one is getting paid.

Small Fruit Pits wrote:
Those that would ask, are the ones that would give me pause for concern.

Well, I don't ask... I insist!

Check out my website under "Modeling" and it states the requirements right there.

Not that all models are bad and in fact, I have never had a bad model. But I was investigated by the police one time for something which I never did and guess what, I had an escort present who totally vouched for me.

In case you want to know, someone was using me for their own selfish purposes and made a false accusation on me.

My policy back then was to have someone present during the shoot and that goes double now. The models can bring their own or I supply one but I'll be damned if I am going it alone with a model.

All it takes is one to ruin your life.

No thanks.

-Koa-

Boriken Warrior Studios wrote:

Well, I don't ask... I insist!

Check out my website under "Modeling" and it states the requirements right there.

Not that all models are bad and in fact, I have never had a bad model. But I was investigated by the police one time for something which I never did and guess what, I had an escort present who totally vouched for me.

In case you want to know, someone was using me for their own selfish purposes and made a false accusation on me.

My policy back then was to have someone present during the shoot and that goes double now. The models can bring their own or I supply one but I'll be damned if I am going it alone with a model.

All it takes is one to ruin your life.

No thanks.

-Koa-

Ouch dude, that sucks.

Small Fruit Pits wrote:
Those that would ask, are the ones that would give me pause for concern.

Indigo Dream Images wrote:
Why?  This, Ive never understood.  In this day and age, young women can never be to careful.  If you have daughters, you would understand this...right?

   I could really go on and on, but Im sipping my coffee and thats more important than debating this right now..

Let's not turn this into a typical escort thread. having said that, I gotta agree with Mister Pits there. BTW, ask Rachel Jay about this topic if you wanna see a model spun up quick.

And for working around water, I would actually consider hiring a qualified lifeguard. Some college kid with a certificate who would work for $15/hour would be perfect.

Boriken Warrior Studios wrote:
Well, I don't ask... I insist!

Check out my website under "Modeling" and it states the requirements right there.

Not that all models are bad and in fact, I have never had a bad model. But I was investigated by the police one time for something which I never did and guess what, I had an escort present who totally vouched for me.

In case you want to know, someone was using me for their own selfish purposes and made a false accusation on me.

My policy back then was to have someone present during the shoot and that goes double now. The models can bring their own or I supply one but I'll be damned if I am going it alone with a model.

All it takes is one to ruin your life.

No thanks.

-Koa-

Does this have anything to do with shooting minors in the nude or pissing off nuns?

As for having the model bring an escort- fuck that noise. If the model is going to lie, the person they brought along will back THEM up not you. Then its two against one.

I have an assistant who I prefer to work with. I've done lots of shots one-on-one with the model as well and its worked out fine.

Lumigraphics wrote:

Small Fruit Pits wrote:
Those that would ask, are the ones that would give me pause for concern.

Let's not turn this into a typical escort thread. having said that, I gotta agree with Mister Pits there. BTW, ask Rachel Jay about this topic if you wanna see a model spun up quick.

And for working around water, I would actually consider hiring a qualified lifeguard. Some college kid with a certificate who would work for $15/hour would be perfect.

My friend has a bronze medallion which is pretty much qualified to lifeguard.

I don't worry about the photog even if she didn't come as I have about 5 friends were are with me in that town anyway and all would have my number just in case.

It just came as a shock.

Flash N Burn wrote:
Didn't want to pay an assistant.

lol my thoughts exactly free help is hard to find...

also at the op even though no one is getting paid some people live off being asistants thus they get paid :X

Indigo Dream Images wrote:

Why?  This, Ive never understood.  In this day and age, young women can never be to careful.  If you have daughters, you would understand this...right?

   I could really go on and on, but Im sipping my coffee and thats more important than debating this right now..

Enjoy your coffee....
Yes I have two daughters....

I won't debate, but it's psychology 101.

Indigo Dream Images wrote:
Ive never read 1 single post that backs up a legitimate claim to not allow escorts.

You must have missed the thread about escorts stealing camera gear.

Boriken Warrior Studios wrote:

Well, I don't ask... I insist!


No thanks.

-Koa-

So I understand you wanting to CYA. But do you really think their friend is gonna take your side in a dispute???

Hey....I got this bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell today.

Indigo Dream Images wrote:
If a Photographer doesnt allow an escort, it shows their insecurity in my opinion.  Seriously, why is it such a big deal?

Sometimes escorts:

1. disturb the model, etc.
2. steal stuff.
3. get jealous and start problems.
4. just are annoying with stupid advice.

Cain Quixote wrote:

You must have missed the thread about escorts stealing camera gear.

Hmmm, cant say as I did.  Thats really too bad about someones gear being stolen...I guess it helps to have the gift of discernment about who you are shooting with as to whether or not you leave thousands in equipment laying around.

I just had a thought too...couldnt a single model with no escort kick your arse and steal your equipment too?  It could happen ya know....

Cliff from NJ wrote:

Sometimes escorts:

1. disturb the model, etc.
2. steal stuff.
3. get jealous and start problems.
4. just are annoying with stupid advice.

This, Mr Cliff from NJ, is why you tell it like it is right upfront...kinda like I mentioned in my first post.  Communication is a wonderful thing.

Indigo Dream Images wrote:
I dont think anyone is turning this into a typical escort thread.  If a Photographer doesnt allow an escort, it shows their insecurity in my opinion.  Seriously, why is it such a big deal?  Thats all I was asking, because Ive never read 1 single post that backs up a legitimate claim to not allow escorts.  In fact, there has never been anything posted that has made me even remotely think about changing my policy for allowing escorts. 

If a photographer feels so strongly about it, 1 or 2 sentences should back up how you feel.  :shrug:

Dude, go read some past escort threads. The reasoning has been laid out in excruciating detail.

Indigo Dream Images wrote:

This, Mr Cliff from NJ, is why you tell it like it is right upfront...kinda like I mentioned in my first post.  Communication is a wonderful thing.

I tried telling the models that if their escort caused a problem, shoot would be over. Escort caused problem anyway. I decided not to bother with models that need their hands held.

DarcieK wrote:

My friend has a bronze medallion which is pretty much qualified to lifeguard.

I don't worry about the photog even if she didn't come as I have about 5 friends were are with me in that town anyway and all would have my number just in case.

It just came as a shock.

What I'm wondering is who pays for your escort's travel? You could hire a college boy with a lifesaving cert locally for just a few bucks.

Lumigraphics wrote:
Does this have anything to do with shooting minors in the nude or pissing off nuns?

As for having the model bring an escort- fuck that noise. If the model is going to lie, the person they brought along will back THEM up not you. Then its two against one.

I have an assistant who I prefer to work with. I've done lots of shots one-on-one with the model as well and its worked out fine.

Yep, it sure does! The parents were present and in one shoot the mom, aunty and brother were present.

In a nutshell, this is what happened. In Puerto Rico, when a school closes down, the property is sold off to the public.

This guy wanted to close down the H.S. in town so he could buy it.

I was ateachers assistant at the school but I quit a year earlier in order to persue my photography.

This idiot did not know that so he called CPS anonymously and said I was shooting kiddy porn in the jungle.

He thought I was simply taking the girls out and shooting them nilli willy. He had no idea that I had model releases, parents present and other witnesses etc. He did'nt care.

Either way, a five month investigation was completed in five days.

I found out later who the dirt bag was and in fact I just saw him two days ago. I was ready to pound him against his car and my wife and father stopped me.

He later accuses the police dept and several teachers of running a prostitutuon ring out of the school.

When plan A did'ntr work, he went to plan B. And the thing is, he named names and he even named some of the female students in the school who were completely devastated by the accusation.

The false news hit the newspaper and television stations on the island and even got as far as Chicago.

He stopped when some folks in town paid him a visit and told him he should be very careful to not "slip" and fall on a machette.

There are Douche Bags everywhere.

The penguins had nothing to do with this one. They're in a world all their own.

-Koa-
P.S. I always have an escort of my own present as well. The model can be 40 years old and it still applies.

Cliff from NJ wrote:

Sometimes escorts:

1. disturb the model, etc.
2. steal stuff.
3. get jealous and start problems.
4. just are annoying with stupid advice.

Yep.

Luckily for me, the girl that's coming with me wouldn't do any of those. The most she would do it fix my clothes, hair, etc. and just tell me I"m doing a good job.

Lumigraphics wrote:
Dude, go read some past escort threads. The reasoning has been laid out in excruciating detail.

Thought I said I already did...Dude.

Like I mentioned earlier (about 20 minutes ago), I havent yet read 1 post (from the excruciatingly detailed threads) that clearly envokes the thought process to change my tolerance of escorts.  Anyway, I can see Im going to be banging my head against my monitor any minute now because of insecure photographers...

Carry on and have a great day!

(sorry OP, about dominating the thread)

Small Fruit Pits wrote:
So I understand you wanting to CYA. But do you really think their friend is gonna take your side in a dispute???

Hey....I got this bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell today.

I always have an escort of my own present as well.

Like I said, the models have been super cool. no problems whatsoever from them. I have never had a bad model and we all get along great. But you have @$$holes outside of the industry who are more than willing to cause trouble as I explained above. Those are the ones you have to watch out for.

But the models... some of the sweetest, most decent and honest people I have ever had the pleasure to meet and work with.

-Koa-

Indigo Dream Images wrote:

Hmmm, cant say as I did.  Thats really too bad about someones gear being stolen...I guess it helps to have the gift of discernment about who you are shooting with as to whether or not you leave thousands in equipment laying around.

I just had a thought too...couldnt a single model with no escort kick your arse and steal your equipment too?  It could happen ya know....

How long you been doing this? Be sure to give me the standard 20 yr reply.

How many models have you shot?

If you're so good with that gift of yours, how would you have a problem to begin with?

How you do your business is entirely up to you. Vice versa.
But when you start spouting drivel on how anyone who doesn't do things your way is hinkey, suspicious, etc.....frankly using a little more of that 101 you may have only gotten a C in, that even gives me mor pause for thought.

I can guarantee you that more photogs have been threatened, assaulted, or ripped off to serious degree than vice versa. Many don't like talking about it publicly because often they had a stance such as yours. Now they don't want to look like an asshole, so they just shy away from the subject.

Last escort I saw left my shoot in the back of a Pontiac MI cop car years ago. Never again......btw, that particular escort was a female. Psychotic is not limited to the male gender. lol

I haven't had any problems in years. Vast majority of escort thumping models are inexperienced and young. I rarely work with those folks anymore, escort or no escort.

I find I have little to no drama during shoots, and I can count on one hand the number of flakes I've had in the last 10 years. BTW....my def of flakes is broader than just no call no shows. Seriously.....it all fits together.

Guess my discernment isn't doing too bad.

Indigo Dream Images wrote:

Thought I said I already did...Dude.

Like I mentioned earlier (about 20 minutes ago), I havent yet read 1 post (from the excruciatingly detailed threads) that clearly envokes the thought process to change my tolerance of escorts.

Dude, you're changing your wording now. You do realize we can all read earlier posts, right?

Before it was 1 post with a legitimate reason. Now your doing thought process. Make up your mind buddy!

DarcieK wrote:
Okay you guys, it wasn't my intention for this to become a typical "escort" thread. I was simply stating my shock at how a photographer recommended it considering the seemingly universal distaste for escorts by photographers.

You been around here long enough to know exactly what you are doing if you use the E word in a thread title....cmon.

Small Fruit Pits wrote:

You been around here long enough to know exactly what you are doing if you use the E word in a thread title....cmon.

haha true. I guess I should have said "friend" or "buddy" but I would have gotten the same result.

And don't worry Fruit, I am not one of those models that insists on an escort....even though I'm young and inexperienced