A Raw Muse wrote:
Trade for "x".

Tradng for "x" could leave it wide open. But most, I believe, trade for "p" photos.

Through Elizabeths Eyes wrote:

And thru 12 inches of snow whilst walking to school.

Matre wrote:

Tradng for "x" could leave it wide open. But most, I believe, trade for "p" photos.

That's the point; all parties involved in a particular shoot can decide what "x" to barter for.

For model A she may want a new print for her book, for model B she may prefer photography lessons in exchange for shoot time, for model C...

If you only want to enter into trade for print agreements, and that works for you and models you work with, perfect. You found a system that works for you.

Cherrystone wrote:

And thru 12 inches of snow whilst walking to school.

Barefooted...

A Raw Muse wrote:
Could also just mean "barter".

Trade for "x".

Don't overthink things, causes headaches

Asking for TFX would probably get me slapped. 

i c e c o l d wrote:

Barefooted...

all while fighting off vicious, yet incredibly nibble footed and well styled, gangs

PashaPhoto wrote:

all while fighting off vicious, yet incredibly nibble footed and well styled, gangs

Riff!!!
Damn man where did you find THAT one?

Got one of Rita Moreno dancing too?

Shane Noir wrote:

Asking for TFX would probably get me slapped. 

*runs*

Cherrystone wrote:

Riff!!!
Damn man where did you find THAT one?

Got one of Rita Moreno dancing too?

i c e c o l d wrote:
Barefooted...

barefoot, 12 inches of snow uphill both ways in the triple-digit heat of the desert sun!

KSBPHOTOSdotCOM wrote:

barefoot, 12 inches of snow uphill both ways in the triple-digit heat of the desert sun!

And when we got home our parents beat us,
then forced us to do chores like mowing Nebraska.

MisterC wrote:

And when we got home our parents beat us,
then forced us to do chores like mowing Nebraska.

Seriously though, OP. TF* means just that. We're willing to barter. I may not do TFP with you (or TFImages, regardless of medium) because I don't feel you'll benefit me, or having images from you would benefit me, but I might be willing to do TFOilChange or TFRum.

MisterC wrote:
but I might be willing to do TFRum.

I hadn't thought of that: I'll do TFR

But in none (I may have missed it) of these responses was directed to TFCD or TFDVD.  Those seem to be absurd ones if they are referring to images, or acceptable if they are referring to music or music.

A Raw Muse wrote:

That's the point; all parties involved in a particular shoot can decide what "x" to barter for.

For model A she may want a new print for her book, for model B she may prefer photography lessons in exchange for shoot time, for model C...

If you only want to enter into trade for print agreements, and that works for you and models you work with, perfect. You found a system that works for you.

+1

Matre wrote:

I hadn't thought of that: I'll do TFR

But in none (I may have missed it) of these responses was directed to TFCD or TFDVD.  Those seem to be absurd ones if they are referring to images, or acceptable if they are referring to music or music.

TFCD is common because it gives you a place to store the images. I still have a large handful of CDs from when I first started modeling. You're not going to send every model a USB thumb drive, and not every photographer has a website with hosting or knows enough to be able to do online proofs or send large images. Though, the more experienced I got as a model, and the higher quality of photographers I worked with, the less and less I received CDs, and more and more frequently I did/do receive images through email, gallery download, dropbox, etc.

Numerous reasons, some valid, some not.

Also, I've done TFRum a few times, and it always leaves everyone happy.

Matre wrote:
Whatever medium the photos are delivered on, it's the photos that are important ... not the carrier.

I disagree. A very large number of models on MM and other modeling sites have never had a physical portfolio. It is very largely web based.

I am fairly certain there are models that would feel ripped off if they were handed fabulous images that were printed on the best Ilford papers available. What are they going to do with it?

I think this is just photographers stating what the model can expect. Full disclosure almost always leads to better working relationships and defining the medium on which the images are delivered is important to many.

Regarding TFCD vs TFDVD, if a photographer buys DVDs to deliver images on, it may help the model who has only a CD drive in her computer to know that she should ask specifically for a CD of images as opposed to a DVD.

Through Elizabeths Eyes wrote:
TFCD is common because it gives you a place to store the images. I still have a large handful of CDs from when I first started modeling. You're not going to send every model a USB thumb drive, and not every photographer has a website with hosting or knows enough to be able to do online proofs or send large images. Though, the more experienced I got as a model, and the higher quality of photographers I worked with, the less and less I received CDs, and more and more frequently I did/do receive images through email, gallery download, dropbox, etc.
Numerous reasons, some valid, some not.
Also, I've done TFRum a few times, and it always leaves everyone happy.

But it's got to be smooth rum.

My point about the TFCD or TFDVD is that we have switched from the actual trade to what will hold the trade.  Unless you're going to trade blank CDs, the TFCD refers to the carrier medium.  But chances are that the trade will consist of images, photographs, etc., which would then be more correct to say TFP "and I'll give them to you on a DVD … oh, you only have a CD, which OS are you using?"

I agree it's all semantics.  But probably over 90% of the trades are of images.  100% of mine have been, so maybe I'm just missing out.

Odin Photo wrote:
I disagree. A very large number of models on MM and other modeling sites have never had a physical portfolio. It is very largely web based.

I am fairly certain there are models that would feel ripped off if they were handed fabulous images that were printed on the best Ilford papers available. What are they going to do with it?

I think this is just photographers stating what the model can expect. Full disclosure almost always leads to better working relationships and defining the medium on which the images are delivered is important to many.

Regarding TFCD vs TFDVD, if a photographer buys DVDs to deliver images on, it may help the model who has only a CD drive in her computer to know that she should ask specifically for a CD of images as opposed to a DVD.

I respect your disagreement, but just slightly less than to disagree with it.

Are you saying if a model gets invited to a talent call that she will ask those interviewing her to pull up her web page?  Even many models who carry iPads have printed portfolios in tow, if only because what the call is for: print or broadcast.  A successful model needs to be prepared for anything.

An iPad, or similar device, transmits light, while a printed portfolio reflects light.  If the job were for print, I'd want to see the printed portfolio. 

And of course, the model release should clearly specify what will be the pay or trade, and that is signed before the shoot begins.

As I said in my previous response, besides having a CD or DVD player, the media needs to be formatted for the correct operating system; though a slightly less problem as it was a few years ago.  I'm not trying to change the world, as you are welcomed and encouraged to do whatever you feel is best.

MisterC wrote:

And when we got home our parents beat us,
then forced us to do chores like mowing Nebraska.

and they made us go out and get the branch they were going to beat us with.

Cherrystone wrote:

And thru 12 inches of snow whilst walking to school.

I remember that.   

Matre wrote:
TFP can mean one of a few things, but they are all pretty equal:  Time for Photos, Trade for Photos, Time for Prints, Trade for Prints, Time for Pictures, or Trade

Hummm...? forgetting the GWC's TFP - Trade for Pussy

Peter Schroeder wrote:

Hummm...? forgetting the GWC's TFP - Trade for Pussy

This would been sooo much better if your avi was that of a cat.

Rick Dupuis Photography wrote:

and they made us go out and get the branch they were going to beat us with.

Luxury

A-M-P wrote:
TFP is an Internet slang  so there is no right or wrong terminilogy.

Also TFP meant time for prints not time for photos.

Which is why if they are given a CD instead of prints now they just call it TFCD or whatever.

Exactly. Before the internet, when photography was a more exclusive business, people dealt with prints.

No one ever traded their negatives, unless it was a trade for $$$, hence prints of negatives (not the fairly recent internet files) was the end result.

RalphNevins Photography wrote:

Luxury

I was waiting (hoping) for someone to bring that one.

ShivaKitty wrote:
I always preferred receiving web-size images via email after trade shoots. I have some prints of work I've done in the past, because I frame and keep them for myself. They are not particularly beneficial as a self-promotion tool for models who network primarily online. I used to organize and attend assorted networking events, and still did not need to have a print portfolio, because I had a website, comp cards, and everyone at the events had Iphones, and would happily view the online portfolios.

When I wanted a print of something, I would generally request that a print-size file be sent to my email address, and I would pay to print it myself.

model me agrees with shiva

ShivaKitty wrote:
I always preferred receiving web-size images via email after trade shoots. I have some prints of work I've done in the past, because I frame and keep them for myself. They are not particularly beneficial as a self-promotion tool for models who network primarily online. I used to organize and attend assorted networking events, and still did not need to have a print portfolio, because I had a website, comp cards, and everyone at the events had Iphones, and would happily view the online portfolios.

When I wanted a print of something, I would generally request that a print-size file be sent to my email address, and I would pay to print it myself.

Yep.

ShivaKitty wrote:
I always preferred receiving web-size images via email after trade shoots. I have some prints of work I've done in the past, because I frame and keep them for myself. They are not particularly beneficial as a self-promotion tool for models who network primarily online. I used to organize and attend assorted networking events, and still did not need to have a print portfolio, because I had a website, comp cards, and everyone at the events had Iphones, and would happily view the online portfolios.

When I wanted a print of something, I would generally request that a print-size file be sent to my email address, and I would pay to print it myself.

It's the same for me

Peter Schroeder wrote:
Hummm...? forgetting the GWC's TFP - Trade for Pussy

TRPn Pics wrote:
This would been sooo much better if your avi was that of a cat.

here ya go... lol

Rick Dupuis Photography wrote:

and they made us go out and get the branch they were going to beat us with.

...and we liked it!