Model
J Jessica
Posts: 2431
Coconut Creek, Florida, US
Let's say there is a hypothetical situation where a photographer wants to shoot a llama. 1) The llama has viewed the photog's profile and the names on the images do not match the names on the credits. Let's say a photo has the name "Susan" and the credit goes to "Penelope"... 2)The photographer is certain this llama could llama for playboy and offers her to do such type shoots in order to be into playboy. BUT... The llama doesn't harbor the playboy look (at all) and llama is aware of this and refuses. The photog insists every now and again... 3) llama is wondering if a mod will privately help her figure this out (especially the credit thing) The photographer seems to live far away and is willing to travel to see said llama... So, llama is all "what the hey" and decides to give the photographer a shot (no pun intended). If you have read my previous thread about an email I never understood, you'll understand this more. 
Photographer
Paul Best
Posts: 1302
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
if your writing this thread shouln't you already know the answers to your questions ? you may be in denial .. need to move on from thinking this could be legit .
Model
J Jessica
Posts: 2431
Coconut Creek, Florida, US
I think I know the answer but I think I need insight.
o.O;
I haven't had this happen before...
Photographer
NewBoldPhoto
Posts: 5216
PORT MURRAY, New Jersey, US
J Jessica wrote:
Let's say there is a hypothetical situation where a photographer wants to shoot a model.
1) The model has viewed the photog's profile and the names on the images do not match the names on the credits. Let's say a photo has the name "Susan" and the credit goes to "Penelope"...
2)The photographer is certain this model could model for playboy and offers her to do such type shoots in order to be into playboy.
BUT... The model doesn't harbor the playboy look (at all) and model is aware of this and refuses. The photog insists every now and again...
3) Model is wondering if a mod will privately help her figure this out (especially the credit thing)
The photographer seems to live far away and is willing to travel to see said model... So, model is all "what the hey" and decides to give the photographer a shot (no pun intended).
If you have read my previous thread about an email I never understood, you'll understand this more.
The credit thing isn't necessarily anything to worry about on its own. Some models seem to change their profile name weekly. When you enter a credit you use the MM# and the credit will update to whatever name they happen to be using when you view the image. The caption however is just text and will remain until the photographer changes it.
ETA: I agree with your assessment on the Playboy thing. But it might be better to ask this guy: https://www.modelmayhem.com/1835554
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 12067
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
J Jessica wrote:
Let's say there is a hypothetical situation where a photographer wants to shoot a model.
1) The model has viewed the photog's profile and the names on the images do not match the names on the credits. Let's say a photo has the name "Susan" and the credit goes to "Penelope"...
2)The photographer is certain this model could model for playboy and offers her to do such type shoots in order to be into playboy.
BUT... The model doesn't harbor the playboy look (at all) and model is aware of this and refuses. The photog insists every now and again...
3) Model is wondering if a mod will privately help her figure this out (especially the credit thing)
The photographer seems to live far away and is willing to travel to see said model... So, model is all "what the hey" and decides to give the photographer a shot (no pun intended).
If you have read my previous thread about an email I never understood, you'll understand this more.
As far as the names / credits thing, some photographers use the model's name as a caption. If she changes her stage name, the caption isn't going to update.
For example, this model goes by a stage name, but has at times used her real name. If she had modeled under her real name when we did the shoot, that might have been in the caption, but the "credit" link would update.
![https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120329/09/4f7492576b5ee_m.jpg]()
Edit: On the other hand, all the "Playboy" crap you talk about is an excellent reason to not shoot with the photographer in question.
Offering to travel to you, or pay for you to travel to them, is tougher. Those can be red flags. They can also be totally legit.
Photographer
Renato Alberto
Posts: 1052
San Francisco, California, US
I'm confused after reading what you said....
Model
J Jessica
Posts: 2431
Coconut Creek, Florida, US
RenatoJr - RJ wrote:
I'm confused after reading what you said.... Sorry.
Photographer
Camerosity
Posts: 5805
Saint Louis, Missouri, US
A photographer who says he can get a model in Playboy should immediately raise some eyebrows - but there are many reasons why the credits may not match. Models can and do change their modeling names on MM. When I upload a photo, I show the modeling name the model was using at the time of the shoot on my list of credits. I don't check back regularly to see if any of the models has changed her modeling name. There are other possible explanations. I shot a model (who is not on MM), and the makeup was done by a professional MUA - whose account on MM is as a model, not an MUA. When I entered the model's MM number on the credits after uploading, it showed the MUA as the model . As soon as I discovered that it was confusing, I removed the credit. But still... There's a photo of an MUA in my portfolio. She is shown as the MUA but not as the model, although she was both. Also, I may add a model under Credits, then later remove the photo because it no longer represents my best work - but the model's name is still on the list. Sometimes I add the model's name to the list before I've done the post-processing and uploaded a photo. Or I may decide after a shoot not to upload any photos from the shoot. There are two models on my Credits list that I've shot with, but I forgot to have the model sign a release at the end of the shoot. I emailed them my release form as a PDF file. Both said they would sign and return them - but I’m still waiting for the releases after 2-3 months. So I can't use the photos in my portfolio (although the models have the photos in theirs). I could demand that they remove the photos - but is it really worth it?
Photographer
IrisSwope
Posts: 14857
Dallas, Texas, US
Said photographer sounds super shifty. Aren't there only like 2 photographer who actually shoot for Playboy? To apply for Playboy, you don't need professional photos. http://www.playboy.com/pose-for-playboy/ By shooting with said shifty photographer, you are insuring that about 2 days later, you'll be posting a thread about this guy being creepy as hell, and obviously not legit.
Model
J Jessica
Posts: 2431
Coconut Creek, Florida, US
Okay. Now I understand the credit thing.
Thanks, all...
I'm less confused. Slightly.
Photographer
Renato Alberto
Posts: 1052
San Francisco, California, US
J Jessica wrote:
Sorry.
No, seriously, I would like to understand what you are asking. Is this something that has happened to you, or is happening to you?
Photographer
Camerosity
Posts: 5805
Saint Louis, Missouri, US
If this photographer contacted you through MM, contact a Mod.
Seriously.
Model
J Jessica
Posts: 2431
Coconut Creek, Florida, US
RenatoJr - RJ wrote:
No, seriously, I would like to understand what you are asking. Is this something that has happened to you, or is happening to you? Happening
Photographer
Renato Alberto
Posts: 1052
San Francisco, California, US
Maybe I still fully don't understand, because I have not read or seen some of your past posts, but a coupe of things you said jump right out. Names and credits. There is a model that I shoot quite often that her name is Cassie, and I most of the time I put Cassie on the name, her profile has her stage name. but a simple message from you to the model should clear what ever the confusion is. And number 2, there are only a couple of photographers in this world that can guarantee that you will be in Playboy. and I am pretty sure that this guy is not one of them.
Model
J Jessica
Posts: 2431
Coconut Creek, Florida, US
RenatoJr - RJ wrote:
Maybe I still fully don't understand, because I have not read or seen some of your past posts, but a coupe of things you said jump right out. Names and credits. There is a model that I shoot quite often that her name is Cassie, and I most of the time I put Cassie on the name, her profile has her stage name. but a simple message from you to the model should clear what ever the confusion is. And number 2, there are only a couple of photographers in this world that can guarantee that you will be in Playboy. and I am pretty sure that this guy is not one of them. I was never really interested in those types of shoots (so that makes 2 reasons for me to decline), which is why I say 'no'.
The photographer seems so sure... o_O I find the confusion overwhelming.
Photographer
Camerosity
Posts: 5805
Saint Louis, Missouri, US
RenatoJr - RJ wrote:
Maybe I still fully don't understand, because I have not read or seen some of your past posts, but a coupe of things you said jump right out. Names and credits. There is a model that I shoot quite often that her name is Cassie, and I most of the time I put Cassie on the name, her profile has her stage name. but a simple message from you to the model should clear what ever the confusion is. And number 2, there are only a couple of photographers in this world that can guarantee that you will be in Playboy. and I am pretty sure that this guy is not one of them. Guarantee publication in Playboy?
Last I heard, there was only one person who could guarantee it. People call him Hef.
Photographer
Good Egg Productions
Posts: 16713
Orlando, Florida, US
Camerosity wrote:
Guarantee publication in Playboy?
Last I heard, there was only one person who could guarantee it. People call him Hef. At the present time, this is the truth.
There are only a handful of photographers who shoot FOR playboy (American print) currently. However ANYONE can submit a set of pretty photos for "publication" as Cyber Girl of the Week on their Playboy Plus online site.
Still... anyone running that line of "I can help get you into Playboy" is a turd. And they very likely cannot.
Model
J Jessica
Posts: 2431
Coconut Creek, Florida, US
Good Egg Productions wrote:
At the present time, this is the truth.
There are only a handful of photographers who shoot FOR playboy (American print) currently. However ANYONE can submit a set of pretty photos for "publication" as Cyber Girl of the Week on their Playboy Plus online site.
Still... anyone running that line of "I can help get you into Playboy" is a turd. And they very likely cannot. Yes, I thought that is what he meant.
I thought he really meant that he could submit a photo and hope it gets in, but he's quite certain... EDIT: I should add that he's said similar things about submitting other magazines too. o_O
Anyway, If i'm not going to go on with the shoot, i'd need help with an excuse that doesn't sound mean.
I have quite a few shoots/more important stuff to do already for this week and this if-y shoot jams my schedule even more.
Model
Miss AY
Posts: 8166
Bulqizë, Bulqizë, Albania
J Jessica wrote:
Yes, I thought that is what he meant.
I thought he really meant that he could submit a photo and hope it gets in, but he's quite certain... EDIT: I should add that he's said similar things about submitting other magazines too. o_O
Anyway, If i'm not going to go on with the shoot, i'd need help with an excuse that doesn't sound mean.
I have quite a few shoots/more important stuff to do already for this week and this if-y shoot jams my schedule even more. You're making this more complicated than it is.
Tell him you don't want to shoot. Or just say you can't. If he follows up asking "why" don't reply.
Simple.
Model
J Jessica
Posts: 2431
Coconut Creek, Florida, US
Thanks. 
Model
Amelia Talon
Posts: 1472
Seattle, Washington, US
IrisSwope wrote:
Said photographer sounds super shifty. Aren't there only like 2 photographer who actually shoot for Playboy? To apply for Playboy, you don't need professional photos.
http://www.playboy.com/pose-for-playboy/
By shooting with said shifty photographer, you are insuring that about 2 days later, you'll be posting a thread about this guy being creepy as hell, and obviously not legit. Only 2 that shoot Playmates, Stephen Wayda and Arny Freytag. There a plenty of other legitimate and approved Playboy photographers such as Josh Ryan for example. and even if they aren't approved there have been plenty of photographers who have scouted playboy llamas(I believe one did so well that he got approved to be a pb photog).
But I find it creepy he'd be pushing the shoot so hard like that. Only shoot with some one you'd feel comfortable shooting something like that with.
As for the credit fiasco, I'd brush it off. The only eye opener would be if the photographer credits don't match the photographer or his other images(I've been contacted by a chronic photo thief once).
Model
Nico K
Posts: 53
Auckland, Auckland, New Zealand
J Jessica, I love how everytime I see a post/thread by you there's that o_O face
Makes me lawl.
Photographer
IrisSwope
Posts: 14857
Dallas, Texas, US
Amelia Talon wrote:
Only 2 that shoot Playmates, Stephen Wayda and Arny Freytag. There a plenty of other legitimate and approved Playboy photographers such as Josh Ryan for example. and even if they aren't approved there have been plenty of photographers who have scouted playboy models(I believe one did so well that he got approved to be a pb photog).
But I find it creepy he'd be pushing the shoot so hard like that. Only shoot with some one you'd feel comfortable shooting something like that with.
As for the credit fiasco, I'd brush it off. The only eye opener would be if the photographer credits don't match the photographer or his other images(I've been contacted by a chronic photo thief once). The dude she's referring to doesn't shoot for anything.
One of the qualifications of images to submit are that they be in focus, which disqualifies him from that also.
Photographer
Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4861
Asheville, North Carolina, US
There's a funny style to your writing that continues to amuse. As for the question, the Playboy bit is nonsense, and it's nonsense of a type you're not interested in modeling for anyway. Nudes lead to more nudes, that's the strategy for photographer or model . Do them if you want, with whoever you want. Only do them because you want to do them and realize it will lead to more opportunities for more of the same. I guess it makes for a bit of fun in the forums, but that's as good as it gets.
Model
Amelia Talon
Posts: 1472
Seattle, Washington, US
IrisSwope wrote:
The dude she's referring to doesn't shoot for anything.
One of the qualifications of images to submit are that they be in focus, which disqualifies him from that also. Ok I read the OP one more time and realized there's another thread and I took a look at that and I have to say OMG I know who she's talking about, I was contacted that exact same way, the whole flaming dragon and serpent CG crap, a loong time ago. O.o
Model
J Jessica
Posts: 2431
Coconut Creek, Florida, US
Amelia Talon wrote:
Ok I read the OP one more time and realized there's another thread and I took a look at that and I have to say OMG I know who she's talking about, I was contacted that exact same way, the whole flaming dragon and serpent CG crap, a loong time ago. O.o Really?
I was just told playboy submissions had to be nude.
The photog never told me that.
x_X
EDIT:
I emailed the photog a kind note saying that I couldnt shoot
Model
Amelia Talon
Posts: 1472
Seattle, Washington, US
J Jessica wrote:
I was just told playboy submissions had to be nude. Oh, they do.
Model
J Jessica
Posts: 2431
Coconut Creek, Florida, US
Nico K wrote:
J Jessica, I love how everytime I see a post/thread by you there's that o_O face
Makes me lawl. I am currently making o_O and X_X faces as I continue to be enlightened by this ordeal.
My face hurts.
Photographer
Ruben Sanchez
Posts: 3570
San Antonio, Texas, US
I can't believe how many models fall for the GWCs favorite line, "I shoot for Playboy, and I can get you published, but you have to get naked first, so I can see if they will accept you." Here's a link to what Playboy is looking for, and best of luck. Oh, and don't believe everything that a GWC (Guy With a Camera) tells you, as most of them are BS. http://www.playboy.com/pose-for-playboy/
Photographer
lightscapes
Posts: 349
Phoenix, Arizona, US
The BLOCK button functions wonderfully well.
Photographer
Aaron Lewis Photography
Posts: 5217
Catskill, New York, US
SCAM, just move on. This is how people get themselves in trouble.
Let me explain. There are 10 zillion models out there and 200,000 or so here on MM, (taking a guess of course).
Anyone who swears they can get a model into any magazine is already charging their client $2000 a day and isn't scouting his / her own models.
Very very very rarely will a big time photog even speak to the model prior to the shoot let alone beg them to work together. The magazine has a person or people to do that already. The photog just shows up on the set and does what they ask of him /her
Playboy photogs don't beg anyone to shoot, they already have a line 20 miles long of girls wanting to be photographed.
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