AuseNauri wrote:
whats wrong with my ethnicity? there are lots of black fashion models.

I would not say lots.  Sadly at last years fashion week only 4% were models of color.  That isn't just black, that included Latino and Asian.  So with even fewer opportunities being non standard isn't even really an option.  At you height, with your stats, and your look fashion isn't going to be a career for you.

I have no idea what you have against commercial or lifestyle work

AuseNauri wrote:

whats wrong with my ethnicity? there are lots of black fashion models.

Unfortunately their aren't a lot of working agency Black fashion models.   Take a look here:  http://models.fordmodels.com/models    Take a quick look at how many Black models you see.   That's at most of the agencies as well.    I won't get into why because that's a big can of worms.   As for you.   You are very pretty and odds are can find plenty of free tests.   Stefano is correct by the way but that doesn't mean you can't try for commercial work.   I would suggest you continue to work on your book.   It may be difficult to be booked for a while for anything besides eye candy or video girl style images.

Doesn't mean you shouldn't try for more.

AJScalzitti wrote:
I have no idea what you have against commercial or lifestyle work

Ditto,

Why pigeon-hole yourself into a very specific sector of modelling that she doesn't fit into? She could find tons of commercial work and develop a rockin' style.

FBY1K

AuseNauri wrote:

whats wrong with my ethnicity? there are lots of black fashion models.

Black fashion models are usually at least 5'9" like the Caucasian models.  You may wanna look at this documentary called "The Color of Beauty" about a Black fashion who DOES fit all of the requirements but still faces hardships. http://www.nfb.ca/film/colour_of_beauty/

AuseNauri wrote:
whats wrong with my ethnicity? there are lots of black fashion llamas.

Exactly we could start with Iman.
I've 3 on my port.

AuseNauri wrote:
whats wrong with my ethnicity? there are lots of black fashion models.

Is that all you got from my reply?

Please read the rest of it.

The fact that only around 4% of fashion models in Western countries are black means that you need to be over 20 times as attractive to agencies as any Caucasian model. Add to that the fact that you are simply too short (even if you were Caucasian) to be a fashion model, and what do you have? No chance whatsoever.

That's why everybody here is telling you to forget about fashion and consider some other kind of modelling instead. Even for commercial you still don't really have the height and again will be competing for a very small percentage of the available jobs against taller, prettier black girls.

If you want to make any money from modelling then consider shooting nudes. Otherwise, realistically, you need to accept that you will only ever be modelling for fun.


Ciao
Stefano

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c_h_r_i_s wrote:
The op's in the States.

Doesn't make much difference.

Ford models, New York - 7/100 black models (7%)
http://models.fordmodels.com/models/71

If Ford New York can only manage 7% then a figure of 4% overall wouldn't surprise me at all.




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Stefano

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c_h_r_i_s wrote:
Lol Stefano's take 'if your under 5' 8" it has to be nude modeling'.

I've shot plenty of taller girls nude...




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-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:

Doesn't make much difference.

Ford models, New York - 7/100 black models (7%)
http://models.fordmodels.com/models/71

If Ford New York can only manage 7% then a figure of 4% overall wouldn't surprise me at all.




Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

The model industry does not revolve around Ford or Vogue.
Huge ethnic market in publications in the States it's a multi cultural society.

c_h_r_i_s wrote:
The model industry does not revolve around Ford or Vogue.
Huge ethnic market in publications in the States it's a multi cultural society.

Maybe so, but the OP has stated she wants to be a fashion model.





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Stefano

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-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
Maybe so, but the OP has stated she wants to be a fashion model.





Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

There are magazines such as Ebony and Essence that do happen to book plenty of African American models for their editorials. I don't know about Ebony but Essence works with modeling agencies in NYC. The OP would need an agency there. To get an agency in NYC, it goes back to Stefano's advice. An ethnic model can't make a living modeling for two magazines (editorial models don't get paid much for modeling in magazines).

There are Black models who pose in magazines such as King, Black Men's and Show but those are eye candy magazines. The OP already stated that she's not interested in that type of work. However, commercial print models are in magazines (usually in ads that pay more than fashion editorials usually do).

AuseNauri wrote:
So I've been modeling for 3 years and when I turn around I'm always in demand. I live in Louisiana and I've won countless competions. I'm 5'7" and my measurements are 32-24-39. I'm currently working on losing some hip but so far all I'm not wanted out side the south. All im aske for is video work like video vixens and eye candy or porn. i want to be a fashion model. any tips.

Go the Alternative Fashion route.

FBY1K

MDWM wrote:
Ethnicity has absolutely nothing to do with it... it doesn't matter if you're Black, White,Hispanic or Asian, you have to meet these 2 fashion standards.

You're beautiful....work on your book so you can explore other markets.

Yes, you have to meet the standards of height and weight regardless of your ethnicity. But ethnicity does matter. Fact: There is less demand for non-Caucasian fashion models.

It's all of these factors combined. Not only does she not meet the bare minimum for fashion work, she is non-Caucasian.

I realize it's a moot point because she doesn't even remotely meet the most basic requirements, but did want to point out that her ethnicity would be a barrier even in the best of circumstances.

QuietAsKept wrote:
There are magazines such as Ebony and Essence that do happen to book plenty of African American models for their editorials. I don't know about Ebony but Essence works with modeling agencies in NYC. The OP would need an agency there. To get an agency in NYC, it goes back to Stefano's advice. An ethnic model can't make a living modeling for two magazines (editorial models don't get paid much for modeling in magazines).

There are Black models who pose in magazines such as King, Black Men's and Show but those are eye candy magazines. The OP already stated that she's not interested in that type of work. However, commercial print models are in magazines (usually in ads that pay more than fashion editorials usually do).

And where are those models obtained? From agencies who require models who have met their most basic requirements.

This is a circular argument. She's not going to get they type of work she wants (or even commercial print work) without being signed to an agency. And she won't be signed to an agency because she doesn't meet those requirements.

The first step is creating a realistic, attainable goal. Shaping your portfolio to fit that. And pursuing that avenue. Fashion and commercial are not realistic for this model.

c_h_r_i_s wrote:
The op's in the States.

Italian Vogue has feature quiet a few ethnic models.

Lol Stefano's take 'if your under 5' 8" it has to be nude modeling'.

Well if you're talking Italian Vogue then the OP should be be comfortable with nudes, it's really only the uptight US fashion market that doesn't have nudity in its fashion.

But to My and Stefano's point she doesn't have the right look, height, or proportions for fashion.  Also to my point, what is wrong with commercial and lifestyle?  Even that is going to be a major uphill battle for her.

Mi Do wrote:
Which model looks out of place here and why?

Lara Stone


Joan Smalls


Liu Wen


Daphne G


Fei Fei


Lindsey


Jourdan


Sui He


Xiao Wen Jr


The OP


Crystel


Ajak


Anais M


Anais P



The difference between these girls and most people on MM should be obvious... it has nothing to do with height, race, size, or photography.... Every model on this site should just line up their shots with these (and other top models) to see if they can see a clear difference or not...

I was going to say photography but right now I'm lost. A lot MM members don't look like the pro models so I'm a little lost now.

Mi Do wrote:
Which model looks out of place here and why?

Yeah, I don't know if that's the best argument because my answer would be the image of Xiao Wen Jr and I don't know that that validates your argument.

Perhaps the OP sees those and thinks..."Oh, that could totally be me. If I just got the chance."

I do see what you're trying to say. But we're trying to bring the OP back to reality and stop her from comparing.

AJScalzitti wrote:

Well if you're talking Italian Vogue then the OP should be be comfortable with nudes, it's really only the uptight US fashion market that doesn't have nudity in its fashion.

But to My and Stefano's point she doesn't have the right look, height, or proportions for fashion.  Also to my point, what is wrong with commercial and lifestyle?  Even that is going to be a major uphill battle for her.

Yup. It doesn't make much sense to pursue such a specific role when you don't meet their strict requirements.

AJScalzitti wrote:
But to My and Stefano's point she doesn't have the right look, height, or proportions for fashion.  Also to my point, what is wrong with commercial and lifestyle?  Even that is going to be a major uphill battle for her.

On MM people make assumptions it's the model agencies that decide what is the right look and don't believe all the stats agencies give out.

The op is way ahead as a agency model compared to some of the supposedly agency fashion models on MM.

Michael Pandolfo wrote:

Yeah, I don't know if that's the best argument because my answer would be the image of Xiao Wen Jr and I don't know that that validates your argument.

Perhaps the OP sees those and thinks..."Oh, that could totally be me. If I just got the chance."

I do see what you're trying to say. But we're trying to bring the OP back to reality and stop her from comparing.

Here's a new shot of Xiao:


But yeah - I know YOU know the truth: you can have the height. You can have the weight. You can have the measurements. You can have great photos. But you NEED the face. You need the wide-set eyes. Or the big lips. Or the giant eyes. You need the high cheekbones. You need the proportionate forehead. You need the complexion. You need the gap in your teeth. Or you need the perfect/straight teeth.

A lot of the girls who claim "I got it" need to go back and look realistically. They're pretty, but they lack that extra special package of interesting features that stop people. Or their "interesting feature" is just not enough when compared to the rest of their face.

I wouldn't call the girls who post threads like this "ugly" or "unattractive" but I'd definitely say they are not special or amazing or have a certain level of physical beauty that is required. People on this site need to be more realistic "You want to know why you won't do high fashion? Because your face isn't right for the job. And your face is in 99% of the shots so that is paramount to everything else." This would shut down have these sort of threads. it's not critiquing or putting anyone down - it's saying what's up.

PS: Here is Charlotte Free. She's beautiful. And she's only 170cm.... so saying "you're too short" isn't an excuse people can throw on the girls.

AJScalzitti wrote:
Well if you're talking Italian Vogue then the OP should be be comfortable with nudes, it's really only the uptight US fashion market that doesn't have nudity in its fashion.

Actually... there are quite a few models who don't do nudes or topless. It's not a pre-requisite for success. Italian Vogue is not cover to cover of nudes (nor is Paris Vogue, Brazilian Vogue, Russian Vogue, Love, ID, etc....).

-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
........
It's your height, your ethnicity and your look, none of which you can change.
........

No. Let's not blame height or race. There are plenty of black and Asian models who are doing well. And there are TONS on the rise right now. The look of fashion is changing pretty quickly.  (the models I featured are currently ranked in the top 40... notice 4 (10%) were black and many were asian. It's no longer a white-girls game like people think. That number is small but up sharply from years past).

It is ALL about the look combined with every other factor (height, location, age, weight, complexion, etc...)

This site uses height and race and weight too quickly sometimes. They're factors, but we should get right to the point when it is clearly the incongruent look 99% of the time.

EDIT: for the record, the OP is very pretty, but I don't feel she has the look for fashion.

QuietAsKept wrote:

I was going to say photography but right now I'm lost. A lot MM members don't look like the pro models so I'm a little lost now.

Give me a break. You can't compare the work of professional photographers, MUA, stylist, assistants, etc... to who ever took the photo of the OP. I guarantee if the OP had a great team her photo would NOT look out of place. If you're going to play "Who looks out of place?", you need to level playing field.

Mi Do wrote:

Here's a new shot of Xiao:


But yeah - I know YOU know the truth: you can have the height. You can have the weight. You can have the measurements. You can have great photos. But you NEED the face. You need the wide-set eyes. Or the big lips. Or the giant eyes. You need the high cheekbones. You need the proportionate forehead. You need the complexion. You need the gap in your teeth. Or you need the perfect/straight teeth.

A lot of the girls who claim "I got it" need to go back and look realistically. They're pretty, but they lack that extra special package of interesting features that stop people. Or their "interesting feature" is just not enough when compared to the rest of their face.

I wouldn't call the girls who post threads like this "ugly" or "unattractive" but I'd definitely say they are not special or amazing or have a certain level of physical beauty that is required. People on this site need to be more realistic "You want to know why you won't do high fashion? Because your face isn't right for the job. And your face is in 99% of the shots so that is paramount to everything else." This would shut down have these sort of threads. it's not critiquing or putting anyone down - it's saying what's up.

PS: Here is Charlotte Free. She's beautiful. And she's only 170cm.... so saying "you're too short" isn't an excuse people can throw on the girls.

wtf? You have to be joking. The first girl you posted here isnt right for the job either shes not European.  Everyone of those shots you posted were absolutely different in their distinctive look, the only think meaningfully different from the op shot is photograph/editting style, wardrobe, make-up (team) and location. She (op) absolutely has a destinctive look to her own just like all the rest of the models you just posted. Theres so many factors in pursing a significant course in fashion and editorial modeling that sometimes it appears to seem meaningless but isnt. When you step up you highlight the fact that beauty is SO multifaceted, multidementional. Theres a reason why New York City is celebrated and adorned for its place in the art, fashion arena. Theres not many places that have crammed 8 million people from different backgrounds and ethnicities together getting along(sometimes:)) Bottomline is you got to work(talk, network, travel). The real question is what exactly do you want out of this? A living? Ive seen where fashion models werent able to make a living and have seen cases where free lance models were doing pretty good. Decide what you want.

Mi Do wrote:

No. Let's not blame height or race. There are plenty of black and Asian models who are doing well. And there are TONS on the rise right now. The look of fashion is changing pretty quickly.  (the models I featured are currently ranked in the top 40... notice 4 (10%) were black and many were asian. It's no longer a white-girls game like people think. That number is small but up sharply from years past).

It is ALL about the look combined with every other factor (height, location, age, weight, complexion, etc...)

This site uses height and race and weight too quickly sometimes. They're factors, but we should get right to the point when it is clearly the incongruent look 99% of the time.

EDIT: for the record, the OP is very pretty, but I don't feel she has the look for fashion.

I totally agree with you here MiDo especially It is ALL about the look

Andrea Ja wrote:

wtf? You have to be joking. The first girl you posted here isnt right for the job either shes not European.  Everyone of those shots you posted were absolutely different in their distinctive look, the only think meaningfully different from the op shot is photograph/editting style, wardrobe, make-up (team) and location. She (op) absolutely has a destinctive look to her own just like all the rest of the models you just posted. Theres so many factors in pursing a significant course in fashion and editorial modeling that sometimes it appears to seem meaningless but isnt. When you step up you highlight the fact that beauty is SO multifaceted, multidementional. Theres a reason why New York City is celebrated and adorned for its place in the art, fashion arena. Theres not many places that have crammed 8 million people from different backgrounds and ethnicities together getting along(sometimes:)) Bottomline is you got to work(talk, network, travel). The real question is what exactly do you want out of this? A living? Ive seen where fashion models werent able to make a living and have seen cases where free lance models were doing pretty good. Decide what you want.

I agree 100% with you Andrea Ja

MDWM wrote:

Give me a break. You can't compare the work of professional photographers, MUA, stylist, assistants, etc... to who ever took the photo of the OP. I guarantee if the OP had a great team her photo would NOT look out of place. If you're going to play "Who looks out of place?", you need to level playing field.

You quoted the wrong person, I think you meant to quote Mi Do.

AuseNauri wrote:
So I've been modeling for 3 years and when I turn around I'm always in demand. I live in Louisiana and I've won countless competions. I'm 5'7" and my measurements are 32-24-39. I'm currently working on losing some hip but so far all I'm not wanted out side the south. All im aske for is video work like video vixens and eye candy or porn. i want to be a fashion model. any tips.

Present yourself that way in your port.

MDWM wrote:

Give me a break. You can't compare the work of professional photographers, MUA, stylist, assistants, etc... to who ever took the photo of the OP. I guarantee if the OP had a great team her photo would NOT look out of place. If you're going to play "Who looks out of place?", you need to level playing field.

+1

FBY1K

QuietAsKept wrote:

You quoted the wrong person, I think you meant to quote Mi Do.

Your right, my bad....please accept my apologies. It was meant for the Mi Do who started the list of photos.

How are you doing?

Mi Do wrote:
It is ALL about the look combined with every other factor (height, location, age, weight, complexion, etc...)

This site uses height and race and weight too quickly sometimes. They're factors, but we should get right to the point when it is clearly the incongruent look 99% of the time.

I agree.

However, the problem with trying to tell that to girls like the OP is that they are convinced they have the look, and because 'look' is not a concrete measurement it's very hard to explain to a girl inexperienced in recognising it (even with examples) why she doesn't have it.

For that reason, when a girl here doesn't have 'the look' it's just much easier to point out obvious physical limitations such as height, age, weight, race etc...  even though in reality (although quite rarely) one or more of these may be overlooked if somebody has a strong enough look.



Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com

-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
I agree.

However, the problem with trying to tell that to girls like the OP is that they are convinced they have the look, and because 'look' is not a concrete measurement it's very hard to explain to a girl inexperienced in recognising it (even with examples) why she doesn't have it.

For that reason, when a girl here doesn't have 'the look' it's just much easier to point out obvious physical limitations such as height, age, weight, race etc...  even though in reality (although quite rarely) one or more of these may be overlooked if somebody has a strong enough look.



Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com

1000%+++

Sabine  wrote:
I don't know, but all I see was fabulous turquoise shoes the OP was wearing when I scrolled down through all the photos. Just saying... lmao!

My favorites by the way.