Patrick Walberg wrote:

I disagree with you!  Of course a 16 year old can have a "relevant opinion!"   There are MANY things of which all of us have never experienced, yet we all have relevant opinions of.   You are not thinking logically in my opinion.

Also of my own relevant "opinion" you are trolling.

And you usually feel that those that disagree with you are trolling. No surprise there.

And I still have the opinion that a 16 yr old has no relevant opinion concerning what they "would do" if they were an adult with kids. We still disagree on that.

Nothing has changed, and now I can say that you are trolling.

Patrick Walberg wrote:
You and I never saw her face until she killed herself, but I am being honest what I say it does not matter to me.

But now we have seen her face, and the attention that this case is getting is heavier than those that have endured the same, and were not as attractive.

Patrick Walberg wrote:
Perhaps to you, it does, but not everyone is of the same opinion.

Do you have reading comprehension problems?

I called the issue into question in the first place, and inferred that it doesn't make a difference to me.

Patrick Walberg wrote:
You are correct that to many, she is "attractive" and it matters to them.  It could also be why she was the target of the sexual predators that manipulated her into doing humiliating things to herself.

  She was only wanting to be loved!

What makes you think that she wasn't loved?

Gianantonio wrote:

Yes, sometimes shit happens. I was just asking why it happened. If you don't have a cogent answer to offer, maybe you should just move on.

I feel sorry for you that your mom wasn't there for you. Parents should first and foremost be there for their kids.

Why?  Because sometimes the terrorists know just the right nerve to hit.  Sometimes a victim gets tired of all the constant hateful nasty things (often lies!) said about them?   Or perhaps it's the humiliation and embarrassment from falling for their tricks?  Maybe the parents can't be there 100% of the time to protect their child?  Perhaps they don't know about it, or can't afford to get the help that child needs?  Not every child is strong enough to stand up to terrorists.  Sadly, when they can't get the victim to stop standing up to them, or get the victim to kill themselves ... they take up weapons and physically hurt or kill the victim themselves.

Image K wrote:

And you usually feel that those that disagree with you are trolling. No surprise there.

And I still have the opinion that a 16 yr old has no relevant opinion concerning what they "would do" if they were an adult with kids. We still disagree on that.

Nothing has changed, and now I can say that you are trolling.

Ok, so we'll agree to disagree.  If either of us end up in the brig, we'll know the opinion of the moderators then.

Image K wrote:
But now we have seen her face, and the attention that this case is getting is heavier than those that have endured the same, and were not as attractive.

I'm as concerned about terrorist and bullies around the World as I am about each and every child that has endured such.  Besides that, "attractiveness" is more than skin deep, and hopefully many bullies come to realize this. 

My reading comprehension is just fine, thank you.

I never said that she wasn't/isn't loved ... she wasn't feeling loved is the problem.  The terrorists were not helping at all with her problem, they exploited her instead.

Patrick Walberg wrote:
Ok, so we'll agree to disagree.  If either of us end up in the brig, we'll know the opinion of the moderators then.

Fair enough. Let's leave the moderating to the moderators, and stop calling people trolls when they disagree with you.

Patrick Walberg wrote:
I'm as concerned about terrorist and bullies around the World as I am about each and every child that has endured such.  Besides that, "attractiveness" is more than skin deep, and hopefully many bullies come to realize this.

I think many of us are concerned about those things, though I'm not sure that many are making the same parallels to terrorism to this situation as you are...

Patrick Walberg wrote:
My reading comprehension is just fine, thank you.

Glad to hear that, you keep talking in circles, and are non-responsive to most of the posts that you are responding to.

Patrick Walberg wrote:
I never said that she wasn't/isn't loved ... she wasn't feeling loved is the problem.

You inferred that she wasn't loved by the statement "All she wanted was to be loved". We can only love people. We can't control how much that they "feel" they are loved.

Patrick Walberg wrote:
The terrorists were not helping at all with her problem, they exploited her instead.

If by "terrorists" you are referring to the bullies, I agree. The term "terrorists" is a tad extreme, in my opinion.

Samantha Liana wrote:
Anyways... I refuse to argue on shoulda coulda's anymore...

This event's inspired me to DO something... Next step is how and what

It is National Bullying Awareness Month. There are some anti-bullying organizations you can donate too. There is a dancer I know who does this every year. She has shows and donates the proceeds.

Patrick Walberg wrote:

Why?  Because sometimes the terrorists know just the right nerve to hit.  Sometimes a victim gets tired of all the constant hateful nasty things (often lies!) said about them?   Or perhaps it's the humiliation and embarrassment from falling for their tricks?  Maybe the parents can't be there 100% of the time to protect their child?  Perhaps they don't know about it, or can't afford to get the help that child needs?  Not every child is strong enough to stand up to terrorists.  Sadly, when they can't get the victim to stop standing up to them, or get the victim to kill themselves ... they take up weapons and physically hurt or kill the victim themselves.

How can they not know about it?  They changed her school and picked her up out of a ditch!  How is that not a sign that they have to be there for her?

Gianantonio wrote:
I don't know if it is a hoax or not.  All I've said is that there are aspects of the story with don't add up for me.

Given her age, emotional state, and the length of time involved, there is a reasonable possibility that some of the details she presented are not 100% correct.

Given that the RCMP is involved, I doubt that any such inaccuracies raise this to the level of being a hoax.

Given the lack of information publicly available and that no one from MM is involved, you are asking - repeatedly - for information that no one from MM has.

Moreover, it is possible that, assuming this is completely true, there will still be aspects that don't add up for you because it doesn't match your experiences.

Might I suggest a little patience, until more information is available?

A S Photography wrote:

Given her age, emotional state, and the length of time involved, there is a reasonable possibility that some of the details she presented are not 100% correct.

Given that the RCMP is involved, I doubt that any such inaccuracies raise this to the level of being a hoax.

Given the lack of information publicly available and that no one from MM is involved, you are asking - repeatedly - for information that no one from MM has.

Moreover, it is possible that, assuming this is completely true, there will still be aspects that don't add up for you because it doesn't match your experiences.

Might I suggest a little patience, until more information is available?

I wasn't really repeatedly asking so much as I was trying to clarify my question to certain people.

Image K wrote:

And you usually feel that those that disagree with you are trolling. No surprise there.

And I still have the opinion that a 16 yr old has no relevant opinion concerning what they "would do" if they were an adult with kids. We still disagree on that.

Nothing has changed, and now I can say that you are trolling.

Okay so not to derail the thread anymore but let me just get this right here...

I. Can't have an opinion about what .I. Would do with .MY. Own kids. But .YOU. Can have an opinion of when exactly .I. Become an adult and what opinions .I. am allowed to have until then. Correct?
Do I get an opinion when I hit a certain age or how does that work?

Gianantonio wrote:

I wasn't really repeatedly asking so much as I was trying to clarify my question to certain people.

Interview the immediate kin; you'll get your answers... maybe.

A S Photography wrote:
Given her age, emotional state, and the length of time involved, there is a reasonable possibility that some of the details she presented are not 100% correct.

Given that the RCMP is involved, I doubt that any such inaccuracies raise this to the level of being a hoax.

Given the lack of information publicly available and that no one from MM is involved, you are asking - repeatedly - for information that no one from MM has.

Moreover, it is possible that, assuming this is completely true, there will still be aspects that don't add up for you because it doesn't match your experiences.

Might I suggest a little patience, until more information is available?

Gianantonio wrote:
I wasn't really repeatedly asking so much as I was trying to clarify my question to certain people.

And those certain people can't answer those questions, for the mentioned reason that no one here has this information.

Image K wrote:

Would it be less tragic if she wasn't beautiful?

No,when I say beautiful young woman I was referring to the fact that she appeared sweet (not beautiful as in skin wise).

From what I gather, she was really trying to make friends and well...maybe a bit naive. She got caught up in the moment online...probably eager to impress her new friends or gain new ones...etc....did a pretty silly thing and ended up being beaten up pretty badly over it online.

Bully's are in all levels of human life....kids...adults...shame no matter what.

Someone in this thread said "Once a bully always a bully"...perhaps...who knows.

I know Image K said something about her parents...and Patrick said something back about it wasnt the parents fault.

It's really kinda hard you know to figure out where the parents role was in all of this.

I know that when my girls were young and living at home, they were allowed online only when I was in the room, and we monitored it, only allowed them to go to certain websites...their emails came to my emails...etc.

I did all that to make sure online predators were kept at bay, etc.

Personally, I feel, that parents today should be more mindful overall about their child/children's online activities.

But also...as for this bully mess...I feel that if a parent was a bully as a child...then they probably carry most of that traits into adulthood and well...children tend to mirror their parents in one way or another.

Some parents are just too damn laid back, while some parents are too "asshole-ish" to raise their kids right.

Sad world we live in.

Presley ONeil wrote:
Okay so not to derail the thread anymore but let me just get this right here...

I. Can't have an opinion about what .I. Would do with .MY. Own kids. But .YOU. Can have an opinion of when exactly .I. Become an adult and what opinions .I. am allowed to have until then. Correct?
Do I get an opinion when I hit a certain age or how does that work?

I am certain that if he were to think back on all the things that he has expressed "opinions" on ... that he can think of times when he has expressed an opinion on something that he had little, or no experience regarding what he was stating his opinion on.    At the very least, I will admit right here and now that I have expressed my opinion on many things that I lacked the experience of others regarding.  I do not have children of my own, so does that mean I cannot express my opinion as to what I would do if I had a child?  Of course not! 

In a nutshell, "An opinion is like an asshole, everyone has one!"

Patrick Walberg wrote:

A S Photography wrote:
Given her age, emotional state, and the length of time involved, there is a reasonable possibility that some of the details she presented are not 100% correct.

Given that the RCMP is involved, I doubt that any such inaccuracies raise this to the level of being a hoax.

Given the lack of information publicly available and that no one from MM is involved, you are asking - repeatedly - for information that no one from MM has.

Moreover, it is possible that, assuming this is completely true, there will still be aspects that don't add up for you because it doesn't match your experiences.

Might I suggest a little patience, until more information is available?

And those certain people can't answer those questions, for the mentioned reason that no one here has this information.

Yeah--the question was largely rhetorical...

Jules NYC wrote:

Interview the immediate kin; you'll get your answers... maybe.

But even then you may not get all the answers. I know at her age, if I was having trouble with bullies at school, my parents were the last people I told.

Sabine  wrote:
People won't change. Once a bully always a bully.

I don't believe that. People can and do change. I've seen some of the biggest bullies in my school turn into the nicest people now. People do grow out of it.

Sabine  wrote:
People won't change. Once a bully always a bully.

Untrue statements.  I was bullied mercilessly in school...junior high and high school.  I was called names, chased, beaten up, harassed, by several people, for a long time.

One of those people was a girl whose brothers also picked on us.  The whole family did.  But Lisa beat me up.  One day, when I was jumped coming out of school, I decided to hit her back.  I didn't know how to punch, so it was more of a slap on her face with my hand balled into a fist.  That only pissed her off more, and what did she do?  She complained to parents/adults that I tried to beat her up.  Anyway...years later (and I mean almost 25), my mother told me that she ran into Lisa's mother, and that Lisa had said how she regretted bullying me, and that she was so sorry for that.  She wanted me to know, somehow, that she was sorry for what she'd done.

So...yes, people change.  Bullies don't always remain bullies.

DivaEroticus wrote:

Untrue statements.  I was bullied mercilessly in school...junior high and high school.  I was called names, chased, beaten up, harassed, by several people, for a long time.

One of those people was a girl whose brothers also picked on us.  The whole family did.  But Lisa beat me up.  One day, when I was jumped coming out of school, I decided to hit her back.  I didn't know how to punch, so it was more of a slap on her face with my hand balled into a fist.  That only pissed her off more, and what did she do?  She complained to parents/adults that I tried to beat her up.  Anyway...years later (and I mean almost 25), my mother told me that she ran into Lisa's mother, and that Lisa had said how she regretted bullying me, and that she was so sorry for that.  She wanted me to know, somehow, that she was sorry for what she'd done.

So...yes, people change.  Bullies don't always remain bullies.

Re: the bold.

And this is why many bully victims don't fight back. A lot of the times they are the ones who get in trouble....

DarcieK wrote:

But even then you may not get all the answers. I know at her age, if I was having trouble with bullies at school, my parents were the last people I told.

True.

Michael Kerrek wrote:
Concurrent parenting failure (not saying they did nothing, they didn't do enough) and major depression. It started with humiliation, as they frequently do, and escalated into abuse.

You have to wonder, though- one kid getting bullied in 3 different schools? How much of her depressive state, and other psychological factors, was feeding or even causing her to be singled out? We have no idea if she lived her day-to-day as a drama queen, reducing conversations and friendly meet-ups into pity parties.

This is not to say she brought it on herself, in any way. This is simply an exercise in determining cause and effect. When we determine what it is in people's actions that feeds the bullies, we'll be closer to stopping it. You can't just scrutinize the behavior of the bully and ignore the victim, any more than you study a burned-out building and ignore the accelerant.

She needed to be in counseling, and perhaps even pharmaceutical intervention- this is where the parents failed. I'm normally pretty anti-medication when it comes to kids, but there are cases where people genuinely need a neurochemical tweak... or stuff like this happens.

I wholeheartedly agree you.

Presley ONeil wrote:
I. Can't have an opinion about what .I. Would do with .MY. Own kids. But .YOU. Can have an opinion of when exactly .I. Become an adult and what opinions .I. am allowed to have until then. Correct?
Do I get an opinion when I hit a certain age or how does that work?

I don't think anyone is saying you can't have your own opinion, just that you shouldn't be upset when it's ignored and treated as irrelevant because you haven't the requisite experience.

I can have an opinion on menstrual cramps, but that doesn't mean anyone is obligated to listen to me or take it seriously.

What if a 50 year old man came to you and said they have an opinion on what it's like to be a 16 year old girl, and how you should live your life? Does he get to pitch a fit about his opinion when you rightly tell him to piss off?

DarcieK wrote:

But even then you may not get all the answers. I know at her age, if I was having trouble with bullies at school, my parents were the last people I told.

This is very true.

I did talk with my family, but I know many others who would never dream of doing this.

Michael Kerrek wrote:
Concurrent parenting failure (not saying they did nothing, they didn't do enough) and major depression. It started with humiliation, as they frequently do, and escalated into abuse.

You have to wonder, though- one kid getting bullied in 3 different schools? How much of her depressive state, and other psychological factors, was feeding or even causing her to be singled out? We have no idea if she lived her day-to-day as a drama queen, reducing conversations and friendly meet-ups into pity parties.

This is not to say she brought it on herself, in any way. This is simply an exercise in determining cause and effect. When we determine what it is in people's actions that feeds the bullies, we'll be closer to stopping it. You can't just scrutinize the behavior of the bully and ignore the victim, any more than you study a burned-out building and ignore the accelerant.

She needed to be in counseling, and perhaps even pharmaceutical intervention- this is where the parents failed. I'm normally pretty anti-medication when it comes to kids, but there are cases where people genuinely need a neurochemical tweak... or stuff like this happens.

I know for a fact my mother really threw jet fuel on the inferno with her psychotic religious reasons on not doing anything(its all part of God's plan)not allowing me to fight back(I will go to hell,God says turn the other cheek,God has a plan for you,its part of the plan)to get me help(therapy is the work of the devil,because we would be interfering with God's plan)..
If it wasn't for my passive father finally getting his head out of the sand and letting me go for Martial Arts training and behind my mom's back telling me to kick the crap out of the next person to fuck with me)I'd probably not be here myself..
So yes I am an example of what happens when the parenting also fails.
Going to another school would have been easier back in the mid 80's as my rep would not have followed me via the internet,but unless I was allowed to defend myself I would have been toast in school 2.
Amanda's only hope was to be pulled completely out of school and been home schooled at this point

Michael Kerrek wrote:

I don't think anyone is saying you can't have your own opinion, just that you shouldn't be upset when it's ignored and treated as irrelevant because you haven't the requisite experience.

I can have an opinion on menstrual cramps, but that doesn't mean anyone is obligated to listen to me or take it seriously.

What if a 50 year old man came to you and said they have an opinion on what it's like to be a 16 year old girl, and how you should live your life? Does he get to pitch a fit about his opinion when you rightly tell him to piss off?

No because im not a twit and i dont disrespect 50 year old men like that.
If he wasnt being disrespectful, yeah id sit there listen&nod for awhile.
On an online forum its really not difficult to scroll past my post if you dont want to read what i have to say.

DarcieK wrote:

I don't believe that. People can and do change. I've seen some of the biggest bullies in my school turn into the nicest people now. People do grow out of it.

true. the same girl who ruined my life in 8th grade is a good friend of mine now. She completely changed and apologized for everything.

DarcieK wrote:

But even then you may not get all the answers. I know at her age, if I was having trouble with bullies at school, my parents were the last people I told.

I also only told my mom after there was virtually noone else to turn to.

DarcieK wrote:
An update:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c … ymous.html

I have been praying they would catch that guy. Thanks for posting the update.
Hopefully, he is the right guy, and gets what he deserves.

Frozen Moments Photo wrote:

I have been praying they would catch that guy. Thanks for posting the update.
Hopefully, he is the right guy, and gets what he deserves.

No problem.

I'm rather disheartened and concerned that they had information on the guy over a year ago and authorities didn't seem to do much of anything until it was too late.

DarcieK wrote:

No problem.

I'm rather disheartened and concerned that they had information on the guy over a year ago and authorities didn't seem to do much of anything until it was too late.

If that turns out to be true, then somebody really dropped the ball.

Frozen Moments Photo wrote:
If that turns out to be true, then somebody really dropped the ball.

Yep.

What disturbs me the most about this case is that people say she brought it on herself by flashing people, etc. Last I checked though distribution of child pornography, stalking and blackmail are all illegal here.

Oh, and they say she is a slut for sleeping with some girl's boyfriend. It takes two to tango...he is just as much at fault. In fact, I have an inkling the guy and his gf set that up so they had a reason to beat her up.

Sad

DarcieK wrote:

No problem.

I'm rather disheartened and concerned that they had information on the guy over a year ago and authorities didn't seem to do much of anything until it was too late.

Agreed 110%. It's really mind boggling to me that nothing was done by the authorities before this poor girl tookher own life