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Mischa Marie wrote:
facepalm

Indeed...

Nov 15 12 05:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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candy-lane
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Nov 18 12 03:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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Celka
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Man I was so excited to agree with you over the beauty of Indian fashion, to find out this was about a sexualized display of stereotypical Native American culture. I'm in love with and regularly wear clothing from India...
Nov 22 12 05:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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ArtisticPhotography
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Buffalo, New York, US


Okay, I've been in the brig and just got released into the fresh air. Therefore, I couldn't reply to this thread, although I did PM on person and had a nice little chat. I'm going to be honest here, something the Mall-Cops called Mods don't like to see, so I'll probably be brigged for being insensitive and honest.

I can't comment for anyone but my own part of the world. Many of you will view this as completely politically incorrect, but it's the most politically correct thing you'll find because it doesn't offend the Indians. [u]Yeah, they are Indians.[u]

"Native American" is the term used by goody-two-shoe suburbanites and city-folk to condescendingly refer to Indians. It's not a term used by Indians around here. They are Indians and proud of it. They are not embarrassed by it nor do they shirk from the term. It is who they are.

If you want to be sensitive to someone, use your experience to call someone what you think is inoffensive. Use the term they refer to themselves as. It is Indian.

The tribe here, and my office is in Indian Territory, openly refer to themselves as Indians. It's in their name. And the aren't a tribe. They are a Nation. This tribe doesn't have a Reservation, although it is sometimes called that and most Indian land consists of Reservations, this Nation has Territories.

Natives is less offensive than Native American, but Indian is the usual term.

However, they would rather be called by the name of their Nation.

The best term to call someone is, of course, by their name. You could also refer to them as an "Onieda" or a "Tuscarora" or a "Seneca". Else, its Indian or a Native. In spoken English, I have never heard anyone refer to themselves as a Native, but I've seen it is writing.

For the Indians around here, there are also no 1/2 Indians or whatever. You are either "Enrolled" or not. If you father was the President of the Nation and your mother is not enrolled, then you aren't enrolled. Period. If you are blue-eyed and blond-haired and your mother is enrolled, then you are enrolled. Period. You cannot identify anyone by looks. Sorry, but it just isn't possible.

Native food is a lot different than non-Native food on the Rez. They much prefer Burger King to McDonalds. Subway is also big. The casino is also a popular place to eat, but it's a bit expensive. It's almost $20 to eat there. Nobody pays prices like that unless it's a special occasion. You can buy a deer for $50 or so from most of the kids.

Oh, and if you want offensive, try Columbus Day. That's offensive to Indians.
Nov 22 12 06:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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ArtisticPhotography
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R A V E N D R I V E wrote:

ding ding ding!

this is something I noticed too, people try to be offended for 500 unique tribes

similarly, trying to take back the word "indian" even afters it been part of the lexicon for generations and there's no ambiguity in it. This is not something that many tribes find to be a point of contention, it is synonymous with other terms, just use context clues to figure out whats being talked about

nobody thinks they are going to step into a bollywood film when they cross the border of an Indian reservation.

native american, is that really the end all replacement word? did the tribes not have names? just because a word has more syllables doesn't make it politically correct



for what its worth, I've referred to them as "natives" before, and other people got offended. ie. "this native chick" "the natives are coming"

Nothing wrong with "Native". "Native Times", for example, is an Indian newspaper. They are officially the "Native American Times" but "American" is usually dropped from the title when referring to it. They also use "Tribal" more than our local Nation does, but I think that's because they cover a much broader area.

Nov 22 12 06:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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JenniferMaria
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Miami Beach, Florida, US


ArtisticPhotography wrote:
Okay, I've been in the brig and just got released into the fresh air. Therefore, I couldn't reply to this thread, although I did PM on person and had a nice little chat. I'm going to be honest here, something the Mall-Cops called Mods don't like to see, so I'll probably be brigged for being insensitive and honest.

I can't comment for anyone but my own part of the world. Many of you will view this as completely politically incorrect, but it's the most politically correct thing you'll find because it doesn't offend the Indians. [u]Yeah, they are Indians.[u]

"Native American" is the term used by goody-two-shoe suburbanites and city-folk to condescendingly refer to Indians. It's not a term used by Indians around here. They are Indians and proud of it. They are not embarrassed by it nor do they shirk from the term. It is who they are.

If you want to be sensitive to someone, use your experience to call someone what you think is inoffensive. Use the term they refer to themselves as. It is Indian.

The tribe here, and my office is in Indian Territory, openly refer to themselves as Indians. It's in their name. And the aren't a tribe. They are a Nation. This tribe doesn't have a Reservation, although it is sometimes called that and most Indian land consists of Reservations, this Nation has Territories.

Natives is less offensive than Native American, but Indian is the usual term.

However, they would rather be called by the name of their Nation.

The best term to call someone is, of course, by their name. You could also refer to them as an "Onieda" or a "Tuscarora" or a "Seneca". Else, its Indian or a Native. In spoken English, I have never heard anyone refer to themselves as a Native, but I've seen it is writing.

For the Indians around here, there are also no 1/2 Indians or whatever. You are either "Enrolled" or not. If you father was the President of the Nation and your mother is not enrolled, then you aren't enrolled. Period. If you are blue-eyed and blond-haired and your mother is enrolled, then you are enrolled. Period. You cannot identify anyone by looks. Sorry, but it just isn't possible.

Native food is a lot different than non-Native food on the Rez. They much prefer Burger King to McDonalds. Subway is also big. The casino is also a popular place to eat, but it's a bit expensive. It's almost $20 to eat there. Nobody pays prices like that unless it's a special occasion. You can buy a deer for $50 or so from most of the kids.

Oh, and if you want offensive, try Columbus Day. That's offensive to Indians.

Thank you.

Nov 28 12 02:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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Untitled Photographer
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Dallas, Texas, US


A friend of mine posted a photo of herself wearing a war bonnet on FB and she looked somewhere between cool and sexy.  Had she been wearing a fez would a bunch of Turks get their panties in a bunch?  I say people should lighten up, it's not like the OP was suggesting we name a sports team the Redskins. He was pointing out indian (native american, people fucked over by our ancestors, take your pick) fashion is becoming popular (and looks cool). 

You like a war bonnet, wear one!  Wear a fez too, a turban, a hajib, a burka! Ethnic clothing is not off limits, there are no laws that dictate you cannot wear ethic clothes if you are not a member of that ethnic group.

Damn the torpedoes! 

ps: if you draw a picture of Mohammed you might die, so think long and hard about that one, but shit yeah wear a fez or a hajib or a war bonnet!
Nov 28 12 03:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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Untitled Photographer
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NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
Oh, man.

You are going to have a lot of people on the warpath over this thread.

That one did not go over my head, I got that, just so you know :-)

Nov 28 12 03:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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NothingIsRealButTheGirl
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Los Angeles, California, US


Untitled Photographer wrote:

That one did not go over my head, I got that, just so you know :-)

cool big_smile

Nov 28 12 03:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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Sabine Luise
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Boston, Massachusetts, US


Fifi wrote:
Also, this is an Indian fashion...
http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2008/10b/indiafashionR1910_450x300.jpg

Ha! That is exactly why I clicked on it. NEXT...

Nov 29 12 01:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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