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Why does Ps look right but the saved image doesnt?
I am so freaking pissed and annoyed right now. I cannot figure out why a new set of photos look perfect in photoshop but when I open them in the Windows explorer window it's too dark. Has anyone had this problem? Does anyone know why this is happening? EDIT: Link here -> http://oi45.tinypic.com/swzc6p.jpg Another that has the opposite problem -> http://oi49.tinypic.com/2hef0uw.jpg They also show up dark on facebook too. Dec 09 12 04:15 pm Link When saving the image, make sure it is saving the profile too...  You need a proper software to view the images, in windows XP the Windows explorer is not color managed, in Windows 7 it is +-, but it does not work well with V4 monitor profiles and/or LUT ones, use V2 matrix based. Internet browsers are also not much good http://www.gballard.net/psd/go_live_pag … files.html The default color space for web is sRGB. Some interesting links: Soft proofing http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutori … oofing.htm Soft Proofing with Lightroom 4 http://digitaldog.net/files/LR4_softproof.mov http://digitaldog.net/files/LR4_softproof2.mov Why are my prints too dark? http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutor … dark.shtml Using Printer Profiles with Digital Labs http://www.drycreekphoto.com/icc/using_ … ofiles.htm Lighting Your Workspace http://www.kevinmillsphoto.com/2008/10/ … workspace/ Practical guidelines and references for digital photographers http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/WGuidelines.pdf Everything you thought you wanted to know about Color Gamut and RGB Working Spaces High resolution: http://digitaldog.net/files/ColorGamut.mov Low Res (YouTube): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0bxSD-Xx-Q Dec 09 12 04:35 pm Link Thank you. It is saving the profile. I'm on Windows 7 64-bit. What is V4, LUT and V2? Pictus wrote: Dec 09 12 04:42 pm Link Velvet Paper Photo wrote: You are welcome, when calibrating the monitor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb0cnpbZePA Dec 09 12 04:54 pm Link Pictus wrote: I actually don't have that option. I have the Huey Pro by Pantone. Dec 09 12 05:11 pm Link ... Dec 09 12 05:29 pm Link I'm thinking this has nothing to do with the calibration of my monitor. It looks fine in photoshop, it doesn't look fine in Firefox or Windows Explorer (not to be confused with Internet Explorer). It's the way photoshop is saving it or something. Dec 09 12 05:37 pm Link Velvet Paper Photo wrote: See the FAQ: They keep coming out flat, off-color, desaturated and/or dull. Dec 09 12 05:39 pm Link Kevin Connery wrote: Thanks. Dec 09 12 05:46 pm Link buy a mac Dec 09 12 05:48 pm Link rickspix wrote: No. Dec 09 12 05:50 pm Link The best thing you can do is calibrate your monitor, and then make sure that you save in the profile in which you intend to publish. The tools exist for calibrating your monitor to match the profile. Datacolor has one of the best price/performance deals you can find for your mac. Dec 09 12 05:57 pm Link Velvet Paper Photo wrote: I also do not think you understood what I wrote... Dec 09 12 05:58 pm Link Pictus wrote: You're posts were very helpful and are leading me in the right direction, but you are correct. I don't understand how to fix it. :-/ I'm on the two websites you listed earlier for the V2 profile, trying to figure out what to do. Dec 09 12 06:02 pm Link rickspix wrote: Don't Dec 09 12 06:07 pm Link Velvet Paper Photo wrote: Use your Huey with Argyll + dispcalGUI it will create a V2 matrix profile... Dec 09 12 06:09 pm Link Velvet Paper Photo wrote: Kevin Connery wrote: Thanks. "Most browsers don't understand color management. " Dec 09 12 06:10 pm Link Pictus wrote: Thanks. Dec 09 12 06:23 pm Link The Argyll are the libs and dispcalGUI the graphic frontend... Then use Adobe bridge to view your images instead of Windows Explorer or use FastPictureViewer or ACDSee Pro 6 or Corel® AfterShot™ Pro, the latest 2 do much more than just image browsing... EDIT: Do not work? Look http://www.argyllcms.com/doc/Installing_MSWindows.html and this video Dec 09 12 06:34 pm Link Pictus wrote: I've seen it. I don't understand it. Dec 09 12 06:52 pm Link Velvet Paper Photo wrote: I had a similar problem. Dec 09 12 07:04 pm Link IrisSwope wrote: Hm. Interesting. Thank you. I'm looking at the photos on my iPad and they look perfect as I normally edit them, so I'm just going to deal with it until I find an easier way to fix it. Dec 09 12 07:47 pm Link IrisSwope wrote: There is no such thing as photoshop calibration only monitor calibration which creates monitor profile and is read by the OS in any color managed application along with the embedded color profile within the image. Photoshop being color managed application as far as I know canot deactivate it's color management. Photoshop works with so called working profiles (sRGB, Adobe RGB 1998 etc.), and non color managed applications do not. Dec 09 12 07:49 pm Link DP Dec 09 12 07:50 pm Link The color depth of JPEGs is limited. PSD naturally supports a higher dynamic range, and if you're saving with web safe colors that takes a LOT of the possible colors off the table. Dec 09 12 08:09 pm Link rickspix wrote: Its no different on a mac. Try saving a file as a jpeg and a psd and then flipping back and forth between them using quick preview. It will be the same as on windows. Dec 09 12 08:11 pm Link Ben Hinman wrote: Why would that make any difference in this case? Dec 09 12 08:23 pm Link Velvet Paper Photo wrote: Could it bee that the soft proofing is on by accident. Make sure it's off. Dec 09 12 08:29 pm Link Krunoslav-Stifter wrote: I totally believe that I probably did say it wrong. I said it in the most non-technical way possible. Dec 09 12 09:10 pm Link IrisSwope wrote: I think your job is to make sure you have proper color managed workflow and the client you work for. Even if you post online you are still did you part, what happens after that is beyond your control. So there is still responsibility on your end. Dec 09 12 09:15 pm Link Krunoslav-Stifter wrote: Are you kidding me? Less possible colors means oftentimes the more vibrant colors are going to be replaced with a web safe standard or whatever closest color is in the color profile you're using in your jpegs. Thats why images are going to look differently. Dec 09 12 09:38 pm Link IrisSwope wrote: Think of a display's 'correctness'. Where it falls, uncalibrated, is somewhere in a VERY large bell curve; most kinda-sort in the center, and the rest ranging from close to not at all close. Where it falls, calibrated, is in a MUCH smaller bell curve, rarely very far from the center. Ben Hinman wrote: If you're saving a photo with 'web safe' colors, you're not saving it as a JPEG. Or, put another way, if you're saving it as a JPEG, you're not going to get 'web safe' colors; it doesn't work that way. Dec 09 12 09:49 pm Link Ben Hinman wrote: I don't think you understand what is going on. Possible colors are determine by bit depth and maximum reproducible gamut or range of colors is determine by the color profile of the image and the ultimately the limitations of the display device, as well as the nature of the image. Dec 09 12 10:08 pm Link Ben Hinman wrote: This only applies to 32 bits/channel mode and not the standard 8 and 16 bits/channel mode. The dynamic range remains the same, what does change is the tonal range. And that gets to be a problem only after extensive editing and not simple conversion. Besides if you are going to post an images online you will use JPEG not PSD. Dec 09 12 10:17 pm Link Krunoslav-Stifter wrote: I'm not sure if it's on or not. I will check when I get back to my computer. Thanks! Dec 09 12 11:06 pm Link Velvet Paper Photo wrote: Is it just affecting the thumbnail or the opened image? I had a problem where Dec 09 12 11:22 pm Link Technical basics on CM here...interesting. Btw I find your Explorerimages to be looking better than the photoshopversions... Dec 10 12 01:00 am Link Krunoslav-Stifter, By looking at her screen shoots, Photoshop proof is not enabled. ------------------------ Support for Argyll developer http://www.argyllcms.com/ "Unfortunately programmers and color experts can't live on encouragement and complements alone - they have bills to pay, equipment to keep up to date, instruments to buy, and other financial obligations just like normal people. So if you find ArgyllCMS valuable, and would like to continue to have technical support, bug-fixes, updates and drivers for new instruments added to it, or you appreciate having serious color management available on platforms other than MSWin and OS X, then it's a really good idea to provide support via a donation commensurate with the value it provides you. If you are a casual or hobby user, then something like $5 - $100 may be appropriate, depending on how deep your pockets are. If you are using ArgyllCMS in your business, an annual donation, of (say) 5-20% of the cost of the commercial software you have not had to pay for, would make a great deal of difference in ensuring that it continues to be available. If you are distributing ArgyllCMS as part of some other free package, then please make your users aware of the need to support the software that you and they depend upon. If you are distributing ArgyllCMS as part of some other package that you are make money out of (e.g., a commercial Linux distribution where ArgyllCMS is providing a feature that allows Linux to be on par with other operating systems with regard to Color Management), then it would help tremendously if you treated it like other key software you depend on, and make an allowance to donate a portion of a full time developers salary every year. If there is an insufficient level of ongoing support, then there is a very real possibility that you will return here in 6-12 months time, and find ArgyllCMS has gone." ------------------------ -Download and install Argyll + displayCAL displayCAL have a new “Zero Install”, I do not like and prefer the standalone/manual way... Both versions are available to download. -I installed argyll to c:/argyll and displayCAL to c:/Argyll/displayCAL (better *not* to use version number for directory name) -For some instruments Argyll driver must be installed, ColorMunki Display/i1 Display Pro do not need, Huey maybe not, Spyder 3 need and Spyder 4 I do not know. To install argyll driver into Windows check here. How Can I Install Hardware with Unsigned Drivers in Windows 8? http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-can-i- … windows-8/ Plug the calibration device into USB port version 2, not version 3. -displayCAL should run as administrator (Windows vista/7/8) Click with the right mouse button over C:/Argyll/dispcalGUI/displayCAL.exe go to Properties>Compatibility> and enable “Run this Program as an administrator”  -First time you run displayCAL.exe, go to Menu>File>Locate Argyll CMS executables point to c:/Argyll/bin (remember, I used NO version in directory name)  -Go to menu>Options and enable Show advanced calibration options set displayCAL like this   Calibration Speed deals with the quality of the readings, LOW is the highest setting, but may take a LOT of time… If everything is right, LOW gives better results.  Click in “Calibrate & profile” OBS, Single Curve + Matrix profiles may get better neutrals and Curves + Matrix better colors. If you got ‘black crush”(check the gradient down below) enable’ “Black point compensation” for matrix profiles, HDMI users should check this. ------------------------ Attention! A correction matrix is needed for each type of panel back light like White LED, CCFL, WCCFL, GB-LED and etc... See here. For the i1Display/Munki go to menu>tools>Import colormeter corrections>AUTO*, then select the proper one in the Correction, also can try to use the ones from displayCAL database, just click in the small Earth icon. (For the AUTO* to work, first you must install the default calibration software from Datacolor or X-rite)  For the Spyder4/5 from http://displaycal.net/#import-correction-matrices "Converts matrices from other softwares to Argyll's CCMX / CCSS formats and adds them to the corresponding dropdown menu. Currently iColor Display, i1 Profiler, ColorMunki Display and Spyder 4/5 softwares are supported. If they are installed or the CD / disk image is mounted, the correct file(s) can in most cases be imported directly, otherwise they can be downloaded automatically. Please note: The colorimeter corrections imported from Spyder 4/5 software are only usable with the Spyder 4/5 and need to be selected in the measurement *Mode* dropdown instead of the colorimeter corrections dropdown."  ------------------------ -Put the calibration device over the spot and click in "Start measurement"  -Click in “Whitepoint/White level”  Wait 5 seconds and Click in “Start measurement” Using the monitor RGB channels, try to make 6500 with the smallest delta(all 3 colored bars with the same size) and adjust the monitor brightness to +- 120 to 160 cd/m2, as I work into a dim environment I prefer 120 cd/m2, when you have the desired values, click in “Stop measurement” and “Continue on to calibration” Notebook users probably will not have the option to change the RGB channels, so just adjust the brightness and change the Whitepoint to Color Temperature 6500K Daylight.  When the process finish, install the profile...  To verify the result, go to Verification and click in Measurement report  For reference, print some targets in Fine Art quality, check http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/arti … mages.html The Outback is a good one http://www.mediafire.com/view/xtuu58bx2 … oPhoto.tif Can also use: (do not forget, human vision is not reliable) http://www.photofriday.com/calibrate.php http://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/Cali … ivity.html http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gradient.php The gradient(view in Photoshop) should be smooth with no clipping in the blacks and no color casts.  The gradient with noise is more forgiving...  In FireFox I can see from #6, but in Photoshop I can see from #1. [img]hhttp://i.imgur.com/F2FSXkk.jpg[/img] Consider reading the quickstart http://dispcalgui.hoech.net/#quickstart Also look at the review sites like http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews.htm or http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/reviews.html to see how they calibrated their units for optimum results. Complementary information: Soft proofing - Color Spaces and alike information. How to choose a good monitor ------------------------------------ For FireFox and normal stuff I use "Single Curve + matrix" or "Curves + matrix", for Photoshop(soft proof) "XYZ LUT + matrix". The "Single Curve + matrix"  The "XYZ LUT + matrix" for sRGB  The "XYZ LUT + matrix" for Adobe RGB  The "XYZ LUT + matrix" for Prophoto RGB  BTW, in Photoshop menu Edit>Preferences>Performance>Graphics Processor Settings>Advanced Settings>Drawing Mode = Basic https://forums.adobe.com/message/8236984#8236984 Dec 10 12 05:32 am Link Pictus wrote: You are quite right, I missed that. There is no display of the output profile in the documents title. Pictus wrote: Thanks for the extensive effort to write the update. Dec 10 12 02:44 pm Link Glad to help! As you are a very good instructor, maybe you can create a video showing how to proper use this life saver tool, I find it much better than the other solutions for monitors without hardware programmable LUT. Ahhh, here a tuto to use Argyll for creating printer profiles http://www.lassini.com/blog/?s=argyll&search=Search Dec 11 12 10:33 pm Link |
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