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Model
MichAMORE
Posts: 36
Detroit, Michigan, US


First message -

Love your look and pics!
I'm shooting content for magazines and sites this Saturday the 5th in Southfield.  You are invited to a 60-70 min. test shoot.
No nudity required, wear what you like.
I have openings in the afternoon.
Please let me know if you are interested and I can give you more information.
Thanks,
(his name)

Second -

For new models you get all the images withinin 24 hours and 10 of your choice professionaly enhanced for your use.
I have two openings left for this Saturday in the afternoon.

Third -

Included more information and also ... Did you your read my profile on MM?  I'm a certified full-time prof. photog. unlike 95% of others on this site (mm) so I am glad you are doing your research.  (lots of you know what's out there).





It's in a regular hotel room, that's the part that is iffy to me but maybe it shouldn't be? There are 9 models shooting, 10-9 pm.
"I have one opening left in the afternoon.
I allow that much time for each model, paperwork,  touchups, changing, breaks etc.
Sometimes total shooting time is only 20 mins.
Bring what you like to wear.
Makeup 50% more than normal, especially your eyes."



Thanks!
Jan 03 13 07:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
rp_photo
Posts: 42,490
Houston, Texas, US


"I'm a certified full-time prof. photog." - That is cause for suspicion, since there is no such credential.

Perhaps not a scam, but rather a "blowhard" who thinks quite highly of himself.

I would say there are lots of us out here who would be a much better bet, even some of the "uncertified" non-professionals.
Jan 03 13 07:38 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Sophistocles
Posts: 21,320
Seattle, Washington, US


rp_photo wrote:
"I'm a certified full-time prof. photog." - Sorry, no such thing.

Perhaps not a scam, but rather a "blowhard" who thinks quite highly of himself.

Sure there is. There are plenty of certificate programs in photography. What's so odd about that?

Jan 03 13 07:40 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
rp_photo
Posts: 42,490
Houston, Texas, US


Sophistocles wrote:
Sure there is. There are plenty of certificate programs in photography. What's so odd about that?

I was thinking certificate = professional license.

He still makes a bad impression.

Jan 03 13 07:42 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 27,519
Dearborn, Michigan, US


It seems suspicious!
Jan 03 13 07:44 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


I agree it seems weird.

Go with your gut, always. It may just be that he's a dick, but you're picking up on his dickness.

Come to NC and shoot with me. I'm certifiably insane. big_smile
Jan 03 13 07:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
rp_photo
Posts: 42,490
Houston, Texas, US


Nudity may not be required, but I'm thinking it might be suggested.
Jan 03 13 07:54 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
L2Photography net
Posts: 2,520
University City, Missouri, US


Open one of the letters they sent and then click on the lower left


Flag this PM/Sender
Jan 03 13 08:05 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


L2Photography net wrote:
Open one of the letters they sent and then click on the lower left


Flag this PM/Sender

Did we miss something?

Jan 03 13 08:12 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Sophistocles
Posts: 21,320
Seattle, Washington, US


L2Photography net wrote:
Open one of the letters they sent and then click on the lower left


Flag this PM/Sender

Are you KIDDING ME?

I see absolutely nothing wrong here. Flag it?! For what? Proposing a shoot?

Wow.

Jan 03 13 08:12 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Awesome Headshots
Posts: 2,369
San Ramon, California, US


Bring an escort.

That way if he is in fact one of the elite 5% "certified professionals" on MM he can start a new escort rant thread the day after your shoot.

hmm
Jan 03 13 08:17 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
rp_photo
Posts: 42,490
Houston, Texas, US


Keep in mind that the photographer quoted by the OP "dissed" 95% of us here.
Jan 03 13 08:19 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Blue Ash Film Group
Posts: 9,424
Cincinnati, Ohio, US


From what the OP has shown us, I don't think this photographer has broken any rules (although many may disagree with his approach). I do, however, think it is a good idea to use caution with photographers that feel a need to warn models about the other photographers on the site (remembeer that photographer from Tennessee that used to TAG new models all over the country and "warn" them about all the other photographers on the site?).

With that being written, OP there are many legitimate shoots that happen in hotel rooms.
Jan 03 13 08:24 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Sophistocles
Posts: 21,320
Seattle, Washington, US


rp_photo wrote:
Keep in mind that the photographer quoted by the OP "dissed" 95% of us here.

I've been insulted by worse. And better.

OP - with the myriad of quality and professional levels here, this seems completely within the realm of normal. If it doesn't sound like something that meets your quality bar, pass. But a scam? Doubtful.

Jan 03 13 08:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
salvatori.
Posts: 3,776
State College, Pennsylvania, US


Holy cow. Tough room.

He says 'no nudity' so that means it will be suggested? If he didn't mention it at all, some would think 'you'll have to take your clothes off!'

O_o

OP: you say he's on MM. Did you ask for references or contact any models in his MM portfolio that are linked?
Jan 03 13 08:28 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ed Woodson Photography
Posts: 2,644
Savannah, Georgia, US


Sounded pretty up front to me.
Jan 03 13 08:53 am  Link  Quote 
Model
MichAMORE
Posts: 36
Detroit, Michigan, US


I've contacted past models who have worked with him on his portfolio and one got back to me. Had a shoot a year ago out of his home and said everything was legit. The only worry I had was it being out of a hotel room.

Apparently this is a 60-70 test shoot, there are 9 other models, and escorts are allowed just not in the room while shooting. M&H to be done and makeup 50% more than usual on eyes.

Could be fine and just coming off rough.
Jan 03 13 11:23 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lars R Peterson
Posts: 1,073
Seattle, Washington, US


He is a 5% top-tier professional photographer (certified!), who is going to shoot you for about 1 hour in a hotel room, and give you 10 professionally retouched images of your choice within 24 hours (from a "TEST" shoot)?? He shoots for big brand name publications and magazines, and you don't even have to get naked! He's going to have a hair and makeup team and several other models in the same hotel room for this project?? (And I suppose he's also going to give each of them 10 professionally retouched images from the shoot?)

He sounds like a total badass. Can I watch? I would love to see how the top 5% operate!!
Jan 03 13 11:37 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Innovative Imagery
Posts: 2,815
Los Angeles, California, US


Go for it and report back.  smile
Jan 03 13 11:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24,315
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US


i used to shoot content around 2005..i got paid by the pic.
i would bring in a ton of girls and make pretty much the same offer...(usually it was lingerie or swimsuit)
i did have a studio, but i cold have used a hotel room..


but i'm a 2%er

http://i.imgur.com/m8TQi.png
Jan 03 13 11:54 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
All Yours Photography
Posts: 2,316
Toledo, Ohio, US


PM me.  I'm just 45 minutes south of you down I-75.  We can set up a leisurely 2-4 hour shoot, indoors or outdoors.

I'm not in the top 5% of photographers on MM, but I doubt this guy is either.

OTOH, I've done a number of shoots in hotel rooms, so that in itself isn't a big deal.  I'd be more concerned with his elitist attitude making him a pain to work with.
Jan 03 13 11:57 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,864
Olivet, Michigan, US


MichAMORE wrote:
First message -

Love your look and pics!
I'm shooting content for magazines and sites this Saturday the 5th in Southfield.  You are invited to a 60-70 min. test shoot.
No nudity required, wear what you like.
I have openings in the afternoon.
Please let me know if you are interested and I can give you more information.
Thanks,
(his name)

Second -

For new models you get all the images withinin 24 hours and 10 of your choice professionaly enhanced for your use.
I have two openings left for this Saturday in the afternoon.

Third -

Included more information and also ... Did you your read my profile on MM?  I'm a certified full-time prof. photog. unlike 95% of others on this site (mm) so I am glad you are doing your research.  (lots of you know what's out there).





It's in a regular hotel room, that's the part that is iffy to me but maybe it shouldn't be? There are 9 models shooting, 10-9 pm.
"I have one opening left in the afternoon.
I allow that much time for each model, paperwork,  touchups, changing, breaks etc.
Sometimes total shooting time is only 20 mins.
Bring what you like to wear.
Makeup 50% more than normal, especially your eyes."



Thanks!

Might be a scam, although I'm not sure what they would be scamming you out of.  Might not.  I've shot in Hotels several times, although I usually don't offer it in the first message.  Might if I was traveling though, you go with the options you have.

As noted above, the "certified professional photographer" is the biggest issue for me, but it might just mean they paid a fee to someone and think it matters.

Jan 03 13 12:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ME_
Posts: 3,142
Atlanta, Georgia, US


I see nothing scammy about this message.
Jan 03 13 12:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Paolo Diavolo
Posts: 8,391
Martinez, California, US


Most hotel room shoots are glamour models in lingerie or less posed on a bed.


I would just check:

1. What kind of photos you will be taking
2. Where the photos will end up.
3. And ask for a copy of the release form you can read ahead of time, print it out  yourself and bring it and sign in front of the photog.


For all you know the photographer is just trying to get as many pretty girls to pose as provacatively as theyre comfortable to provide content to a website.

Which is not a bad thing, as long as everyone knows thats the goal, and are ok with it.

Just find out all the details and make an educated decision.
Jan 03 13 12:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,864
Olivet, Michigan, US


rp_photo wrote:
Nudity may not be required, but I'm thinking it might be suggested.

Nudity may be required for totally legit shoots, and not relevant for total scams.  I don't see how it's relevant.

If I was trying to scam models, I'd say no nudes, escorts welcome, etc.  Get as many prospects as possible.

Jan 03 13 01:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Cherrystone
Posts: 36,451
Columbus, Ohio, US


rp_photo wrote:
Keep in mind that the photographer quoted by the OP "dissed" 95% of us here.

How & why does that matter one iota?

OP, in the sense of a "scam", I'm not seeing it.

Jan 03 13 01:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Justin Foto
Posts: 3,618
Sankt Margrethen, Saint Gall, Switzerland


Me thinks OP doesn't shoot very much...
Jan 03 13 02:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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