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Dario Western
Posts: 618
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia


Hi all,

Seeing as I do not believe in one-sidedness in this industry, I was wondering if there are any photographers on here who have worked with models who have ulterior motives (both male and female alike)?  If so, how did you deal with the problem? 

Remember, females can be sexual predators as well - it's just that in society we are more wont to paint the male up as a predator and a female as the victim.
Jan 03 13 05:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,780
Olivet, Michigan, US


Dario Western wrote:
Hi all,

Seeing as I do not believe in one-sidedness in this industry, I was wondering if there are any photographers on here who have worked with models who have ulterior motives (both male and female alike)?

No.

Jan 03 13 05:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Selina Lee
Posts: 75
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


I shot with one photographer who no longer allowed escorts because while shooting, the escort made off with his wallet (which he shouldn't have left out of his pocket anyway) and a few small pieces of equipment. So I guess that may have been a pre-plotted thing between model and escort.
Jan 03 13 05:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,780
Olivet, Michigan, US


Selina Lee wrote:
I shot with one photographer who no longer allowed escorts because while shooting, the escort made off with his wallet (which he shouldn't have left out of his pocket anyway) and a few small pieces of equipment. So I guess that may have been a pre-plotted thing between model and escort.

I think he's specifically asking about flirty / creepy behavior though.

It's going to be less common for a variety of reason, including the simple fact that relatively few males mind being flirted with.

Jan 03 13 05:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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KMP
Posts: 4,650
Houston, Texas, US


Art of the nude wrote:

I think he's specifically asking about flirty / creepy behavior though.

It's going to be less common for a variety of reason, including the simple fact that relatively few males mind being flirted with.

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Stealing is pretty creepy to me..

Jan 03 13 05:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 9,728
Santa Ana, California, US


Like 20 years ago, when I would still approach random pretty girls I met to shoot, I would get mildly aggressive, sexually flirty behavior periodically. I wouldn't call it creepy necessarily or an ulterior motive. I just think the girls had difficulty distinguishing a serious photographer from a damn good pick-up tactic.
Jan 03 13 05:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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TRPn Pics
Posts: 10,431
Andrews, North Carolina, US


Art of the nude wrote:

I think he's specifically asking about flirty / creepy behavior though.

It's going to be less common for a variety of reason, including the simple fact that relatively few males mind being flirted with.

Models flirting with photographers..... yeah right! lol as if even

Jan 03 13 05:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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intense_puppy
Posts: 862
Brighton, England, United Kingdom


Dario Western wrote:
Hi all,

Seeing as I do not believe in one-sidedness in this industry, I was wondering if there are any photographers on here who have worked with models who have ulterior motives (both male and female alike)?  If so, how did you deal with the problem? 

Remember, females can be sexual predators as well - it's just that in society we are more wont to paint the male up as a predator and a female as the victim.

Sadly, it's never happened to me.

Jan 03 13 05:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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Paolo Diavolo
Posts: 8,144
Pleasant Hill, California, US


Dario Western wrote:
Seeing as I do not believe in one-sidedness in this industry,.....

Photographers can be female too.

I had a female photog fail to pay me, for assistant work.
Then she moved out of town the next week.
Probably why she delayed paying me. She knew she was leaving town, but didnt tell anyone.
Then I found out she also stole some stuff off the set from a wardrobe stylist.

I've only ever had one model leave my set with a pair of jeans that didnt belong to her. Eventually got them back after police became involved.

I hate thieves.

Jan 03 13 06:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 5,917
New York, New York, US


I can't say that I've ever had a model behave inappropriately toward me.  Of course at my age that would be more laughable than lustful.  On the other hand, and maybe again because of my age, I'm pretty safe, just too darned old to be a real problem, I've had several that were loose and teasing in a mildly flirty way.

Maybe the problem is sometimes that we, on both sides of the camera, are so self-consciously serious about ourselves that we've forgotten how to play and have fun while we work.  Then we add to it by repeating rumors ("Never happened to me, of course, but my boyfriend/girlfriend once knew someone who told him/her that , , , ) and of course, people being people, the more juicy and salacious the story, the more likely we are to believe it.  Kinda sad but it's the way people are sometimes.

So any time a beautiful young woman, young enough to be my granddaughter, wants to kid around and tease me, I'm gonna take it in the intent with which it's offered.  After all, I'm too old to fight and too fat to run, so what's left but to enjoy it? wink
Jan 03 13 06:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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Platform Artist
Posts: 157
Chicago, Illinois, US


Dario Western wrote:
Hi all,

Seeing as I do not believe in one-sidedness in this industry, I was wondering if there are any photographers on here who have worked with models who have ulterior motives (both male and female alike)?  If so, how did you deal with the problem? 

Remember, females can be sexual predators as well - it's just that in society we are more wont to paint the male up as a predator and a female as the victim.

not to often

Jan 03 13 06:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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Marc Damon
Posts: 6,562
Biloxi, Mississippi, US


There are photographers/models on MM who are involved, dating, married, etc. To each his/her own. Live and let live.

Me? No, I've never had a model go beyond flirting with me at a shoot.
Jan 03 13 06:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Paolo Diavolo
Posts: 8,144
Pleasant Hill, California, US


Art of the nude wrote:
I think he's specifically asking about flirty / creepy behavior though.

Once, while shooting for a magazine I had a model ask me to rub baby oil on her legs for her. I thought that was kind of out of line flirty, but I was still happy to help wink even tho it was kind of awkward at the moment.

Jan 03 13 06:23 pm  Link  Quote 
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Ken Marcus Studios
Posts: 8,415
Los Angeles, California, US


I had a situation with a female model that came in to my studio for an interview and brought her boyfriend along. She had called that day wanting to come in, saying that another model (without mentioning a name) had given her my number.

While I was speaking with the girl, I noticed he was looking around without much interest in our conversation, but with more interest as to what was in the studio. At the time, I just wrote it off as normal curiosity.

Three days later (on Thanksgiving Day) my studio was broken into and cameras, lenses, and strobes were stolen.

It was a professional job, they were in the studio less than 5 minutes (according to my alarm company) and even left some false clues (somebody's business card) to throw the police off.

Fortunately, I was insured for 'replacement value' for all the stolen equipment and within a few days had bought new versions of everything that was taken.

Needless to say, I never heard from the 'model' again . . . . It was apparent that her motives had nothing to do with being photographed

KM
Jan 03 13 07:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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DavidCoward Photography
Posts: 629
Sandy Springs, Georgia, US


I've never had a model behave inappropriately toward me.

What am I doing wrong??
Jan 03 13 07:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shot By Adam
Posts: 5,525
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


I was shooting a "model" a client picked out in studio once and it turns out her day job (yes, she worked during the day) was she was a stripper. No big deal, but she tried faux hitting on me to try and get me to give her all the photos from the shoot. It was so obviously fake and sounded just like the lines I'm sure she used to lure guys into the VIP room.

And no, she did not get the photos.
Jan 03 13 07:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
vcmodeling
Posts: 57
Kansas City, Missouri, US


I've had models try to do me on 3 occasions... i feel special.  lol
Jan 03 13 07:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


One of my model friends told me about another model she knew who was basically using this photographer we'd worked with on several occasions. It was pretty sad. She was gorgeous and the type to be able to pull out the puppy dog eyes and get pretty much anything she wanted. Basically she was living with her boyfriend, they broke up and he kicked her out, and she knew a photographer with a home studio. She somehow used her... ah... feminine wiles... to get the photographer to put her up for a night or two which turned into a several months long "relationship" in which she received a ton of free photos from being his personal muse, not to mention a free place to live in exchange for... girlfriend-like behavior. And then she up and left him as soon as she got a better offer and then bragged to my friend about it later.

I've heard lots of thief stories too. Especially to do with escorts.
Jan 03 13 08:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Aaliyah Love
Posts: 113
Los Angeles, California, US


TRPn Pics wrote:

Models flirting with photographers..... yeah right! lol as if even

They're WISHING.. lol

Jan 03 13 08:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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rp_photo
Posts: 42,488
Houston, Texas, US


A male model was quite obviously turned on sexually by the act of nude modeling.

Another male model was shady and possibly trying to set me up, which didn't occur to me until later.

A female model asked me if I'd even been with a Black woman, then asked if would show her "my thing". The shoot was on 4/1, so it was either an attempt at an April fool's joke or somehow the shoot was a turn-on (it was a fully-clothed outdoor shoot).

None of these situations dire enough to require ending the shoot of taking other actions.
Jan 03 13 08:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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GPS Studio Services
Posts: 34,420
San Francisco, California, US


Art of the nude wrote:
I think he's specifically asking about flirty / creepy behavior though.

I see your point, but for the record, stealing from me seems pretty creepy.

Jan 03 13 09:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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Ed Woodson Photography
Posts: 2,644
Savannah, Georgia, US


Let me think about this one for a bit and I'll get back to you.....

thinking.....


thinking.....


thinking.....


thinking.....


Nope....  Don't think so.
Jan 03 13 09:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Axana
Posts: 126
Mississauga, Ontario, Canada


I've had model dudes here ask me if I wanted to do a shoot with them like we're "both in love" in PM's......not just some shoot but a sexy shoot.

It usually starts as a compliment and a thank you but as the conversation goes, the motives appear clearer and clearer
Jan 03 13 10:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Anagram for Strange
Posts: 21
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


No, but I do have a rich fantasy life.
Jan 03 13 10:23 pm  Link  Quote 
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PTPhotoUT
Posts: 1,959
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


I've been contacted by at least 4 "models" here who were prostitutes. Their profiles were already taken down by the time I knew what was going on.
Jan 03 13 10:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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Wynd Mulysa
Posts: 8,587
Pensacola, Florida, US


OP, I think that, overall, this didn't go over as you'd wished.

Perhaps there is more to it than the "one-sidedness" of the industry.
Jan 03 13 10:37 pm  Link  Quote 
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Sophistocles
Posts: 21,320
Seattle, Washington, US


Dear Penthouse - I never thought being a photographer would get me anywhere, and I always thought the letters were take, but you wouldn't believe what happened last week...
Jan 03 13 10:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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Wynd Mulysa
Posts: 8,587
Pensacola, Florida, US


Sophistocles wrote:
Dear Penthouse - I never thought being a photographer would get me anywhere, and I always thought the letters were fake, but you wouldn't believe what happened last week...

lol.

Jan 03 13 10:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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TomFRohwer
Posts: 572
Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany


Dario Western wrote:
Remember, females can be sexual predators as well

I hope so... ;-)

Ok, earnestly - of course women can be molesters or even rapists. But I think false accusation of being molested by a (male) photographer is a somewhat greater risk in this context.

Jan 04 13 01:57 am  Link  Quote 
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RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,263
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Yes.

About 14 years ago I had a model book me for a portfolio-building shoot up to nude/permissive-nude.
I didn't realise it at the time but she was using the shoot as a pretext to 'get back' at her ex...

I ended up dating her, though it all went horribly wrong in the end.

Shot By Adam wrote:
I was shooting a "model" a client picked out in studio once and it turns out her day job (yes, she worked during the day) was she was a stripper. No big deal...

Quite a few models around here work as 'exotic dancers' in the local clubs... At least I know there are no issues with nudity and hanging upside-down on scaffolding poles keeps them fit and toned if nothing else...

Jan 04 13 02:04 am  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
Posts: 15,973
Austin, Texas, US


One need only read all the comments that this thread will invariably get saying "I WISH models would hit on me, I need some ass" or something similar to realize that the premise here isn't really a societal inaccuracy.
Jan 04 13 02:21 am  Link  Quote 
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devpics
Posts: 832
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


There was one llama here who would offer a really low rate then at the shoot quote a much higher one for which she'd do "anything".....


..which actually has a certain logic to it as is she'd mentioned that openly on MM she'd attract every sleazebag going and/or price herself out of the market with other photogs, whereas her approach allowed her to size up and see if they'd be worth doing it with
Jan 04 13 02:46 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Cwen
Posts: 1,684
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Axana wrote:
I've had model dudes here ask me if I wanted to do a shoot with them like we're "both in love" in PM's......not just some shoot but a sexy shoot.

It usually starts as a compliment and a thank you but as the conversation goes, the motives appear clearer and clearer

As a model, I've been approached by other models without the purest intentions. I agreed to do a shoot with a male model that failed to tell me the photographer was interested in shooting actual sex -- not just chill art nudes out in nature. Thankfully that was cleared up well in advance. But it normally doesn't get past messages asking for shitty makeout couples shoots that I'm definitely not interested in doing.

Jan 04 13 04:15 am  Link  Quote 
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Classic_Reflections
Posts: 442
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Jordan L Duncan wrote:
She somehow used her... ah... feminine wiles... to get the photographer to put her up for a night or two which turned into a several months long "relationship" in which she received a ton of free photos from being his personal muse, not to mention a free place to live in exchange for... girlfriend-like behavior.

Sounds like they both got what they wanted. More power to 'em.

Over the years I've had a few that were "flirty", but nothing physically inappropriate. The worst would probably be a model that showed up for a TF shoot and then asked about the compensation, basically trying to get cash when the only offer was for images. The door is right there underneath the big red "exit" sign.

Jan 04 13 05:05 am  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,174
Salem, Oregon, US


my llamas have all been very professional, even the ones who also work as strippers. sometimes i get a hug.
Jan 04 13 09:21 am  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,174
Salem, Oregon, US


isn't that part of the human condition? wanting to be desirable, to be desired. of course if people were honest i imagine some of the sex that takes place is more based on strategy (like i need a place to stay for a bit) than love. still, i've never had bad sex (well, one girl used too much teeth and i was a bit sore the next day).

Damianne wrote:
One need only read all the comments that this thread will invariably get saying "I WISH models would hit on me, I need some ass" or something similar to realize that the premise here isn't really a societal inaccuracy.

Jan 04 13 09:23 am  Link  Quote 
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salvatori.
Posts: 3,682
State College, Pennsylvania, US


Every woman who is nude in front of me flirts with me.

Of course, the setting is always a strip club.

And I'm only a customer.

smile
Jan 04 13 09:30 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Good Egg Productions
Posts: 15,065
Orlando, Florida, US


I believe that the models do not arrive with ulterior motives.

They may form during the shoot and may be realized after the shoot, but I don't believe that they are there before.

But that's only because I don't make any claims that I can further anyone's career.  Perhaps if I were Stephen Wayda or Arny Freytag, I would have a different perspective to draw from.
Jan 04 13 09:37 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bravo Magic Images
Posts: 765
Temple City, California, US


I do not consider it a sort of a pick up but i have had models that love my work and later end up loveing me. It just becomes a mutal thing but not on the set
Jan 04 13 09:41 am  Link  Quote 
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Sourcelight Photography
Posts: 245
BOISE, Idaho, US


Rays Fine Art wrote:
... So any time a beautiful young woman, young enough to be my granddaughter, wants to kid around and tease me, I'm gonna take it in the intent with which it's offered.  After all, I'm too old to fight and too fat to run, so what's left but to enjoy it? wink

This.  Sigh.

Jan 04 13 09:46 am  Link  Quote 
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