Photog Ed Devereaux wrote:
I only use Joomla because my wife told me she hates Wordpress and it is her server I am using.

I thought everyone loved WordPress. Why does your wife hate it?

GoldRoseMedia wrote:

I thought everyone loved WordPress. Why does your wife hate it?

I have asked her the same thing. I even asked her to write a blog post about it.

She says she "Can't manage the layout in Wordpress like I can in Joomla" (I had to ask her).

Photog Ed Devereaux wrote:

I have asked her the same thing. I even asked her to write a blog post about it.

She says she "Can't manage the layout in Wordpress like I can in Joomla" (I had to ask her).

Does she mean, manage it from the backend? I agree, WordPress does not give you many options in that regard -- you have to know how to code the templates in order to theme it -- but it is relatively easy to learn and very flexible.

I don't exactly love WordPress, but I did use it as the foundation for my website. I was able to customize it extensively and my site does not look anything like a typical WordPress blog.

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
Elevated-X

http://www.elevatedx.com

KM

Interesting. Bookmarked.

Aaron Lewis Photography wrote:
Wordpress is ass, plain and simple. I have no idea why anyone would use it let alone like it. It's extremely vulnerable to compromise and extremely difficult to learn

Why is everyone under the impression that you need to use the site builder /  content management system that's offered by your hosting company.

Not sure what that means but most hosting companies have one click install for Joomla and drupal as well.

Aaron Lewis Photography wrote:
Wordpress is ass, plain and simple. I have no idea why anyone would use it let alone like it. It's extremely vulnerable to compromise and extremely difficult to learn

Why is everyone under the impression that you need to use the site builder /  content management system that's offered by your hosting company.

+1

Another vote for "Wordpress is ass."

Michael Pandolfo wrote:

+1

Another vote for "Wordpress is ass."

Can either of you say why?

Dan K Photography wrote:

Can either of you say why?

I told you why. It's always been very vulnerable to attacks, it's difficult to learn and use unless you have a degree in nuclear physics. Many of the plug ins offered don't work in Internet Explorer. Many of the Themes don't work in Internet Explorer. I'm sure I can keep going but trust me, it's ass.

Aaron Lewis Photography wrote:

I told you why. It's always been very vulnerable to attacks,

Not true. It's vulnerable to attacks because users don't update their plugins or create solid logins. There are plugins that auto-update everything in your wordpress site so it alleviates those issues completely.

it's difficult to learn and use unless you have a degree in nuclear physics.

Oh bullshit. It's so easy a caveman can learn it.



I've built four different websites for friends and clients over the last year in Wordpress and all of them were about as technically literate as my shoe. I was able to walk them through the entire process of updating their blogs, making changes to their sites, adding menus, etc. Wordpress was a bit difficult a long time ago but in the last three years or so it's been a breeze.

Many of the plug ins offered don't work in Internet Explorer.

Many of everything doesn't work in IE. Their new version is better but let's face it, Internet Explorer is about the biggest piece of shit browser ever made. I don't even know one person who even uses it anymore. Nowadays it's either Chrome, Firefox, or even Safari. The latest figures show less than 20% of all computer users use IE and so if you even have a compatibility problem with it, which it's entirely possible you may never, you're talking about what, 5% compatibility problems? Who cares.

Many of the Themes don't work in Internet Explorer.

Never once ran into this personally. Not one time.

Shot By Adam wrote:
Not true. It's vulnerable to attacks because users don't update their plugins or create solid logins. There are plugins that auto-update everything in your wordpress site so it alleviates those issues completely.


Oh bullshit. It's so easy a caveman can learn it.



I've built four different websites for friends and clients over the last year in Wordpress and all of them were about as technically literate as my shoe. I was able to walk them through the entire process of updating their blogs, making changes to their sites, adding menus, etc. Wordpress was a bit difficult a long time ago but in the last three years or so it's been a breeze.

Many of everything doesn't work in IE. Their new version is better but let's face it, Internet Explorer is about the biggest piece of shit browser ever made. I don't even know one person who even uses it anymore. Nowadays it's either Chrome, Firefox, or even Safari. The latest figures show less than 20% of all computer users use IE and so if you even have a compatibility problem with it, which it's entirely possible you may never, you're talking about what, 5% compatibility problems? Who cares.


Never once ran into this personally. Not one time.

I don't have the details so I'm going to say this loosely but years ago WP was the devil anyone using it was sure to get hacked. Recently I've seen more and more people using WP and more industry professionals recommending it. By the way I've been building and hosting websites since 1996.

However 2012 was an eye opener. There were several WP sights taken down by hackers, compromised, virused etc all which I know to have been running on fully patched systems.

Unfortunately IE is a necessary evil and I must say that IE9 is more compliant than ever. I don't have any issues with it that I can speak of but I again know for a fact that some WP Themes don't render in WP but rather display about half the page without formatting of any kind. I saw that on at least 2 WP sites this year.

On the interface and easy of use I've been in IT for almost 20 years. I'm highly trained in several aspects of the IT industry including web hosting. I tried to help a few people with there WP sites this year and it turned into a disaster session. The interface does what it want when it wants. The controls and links make no sense at all and about 90% of the time when you ask it to write the file back out to disk, it doesn't

If you use WP and love it, god bless you but for most people it's ass. Buy Dreamweaver and save yourself hours of headaches.  You'll be writing clean compliant portable code and oh, your hosting company won't be calling you to tell you that you're sites been compromised every 6 months.

20% use IE. I'm going to guess the number is a LOT higher than that. Would you like me to show you web stats from my 70 some odd domains?

Just the fact that they force the phrase "Just another Wordpress Site" into the title tag shows you how insane it actually is. Who does that.

This particular client sees more than 200,000 hits a month and has a very strong mac user base. Hence Safari, if it we're this particular user base I think it's pretty clear that you're numbers are very wrong

Safari       59547    42.2 %
MS Internet Explorer    54609    38.7 %
Firefox    22360    15.8 %
Mozilla    4055    2.8 %
Opera      152       0.1 %
Netscape    70    0 %
Unknown        47    0 %
Lotus Notes web client    3    0 %
Konqueror    1    0 %
Motorola Browser (PDA/Phone browser)    1    0 %
Others         1    0 %

Aaron Lewis Photography wrote:
20% use IE. I'm going to guess the number is a LOT higher than that. Would you like me to show you web stats from my 70 some odd domains?

Depending on which stats, IE (all versions) seems to be running between 22 and 50%; it's quite market dependent.

Around 40% of the people who visit my company's public site do so with IE, and roughly 50% of the people who sign in as paid users do so (software as a service).

Choosing to ignore between 20-50% of potential visitors is certainly something that can be done, and it might make sense if those visitors aren't contributing to the company's goals--income, web presence, etc.. Doing so merely because of some form of dislike for IE or based on false data is something else.

None of which, alas, helps the OP. I know godaddy says they support it, but I don't use a CMS for any of my sites at this time, and can't tell you whether it does so well or not.

Jim Lafferty wrote:
I'm moving to CargoCollective from a hand-coded site that has no CMS. Joomla/Drupal may be nice but, who the hell wants to be a web dev when they're supposed to be taking pictures? 

Interesting. I never heard of that before. Looks like decent templates and if you can get an invite it is free. Pretty cool.

Jim Lafferty wrote:
I'm moving to CargoCollective from a hand-coded site that has no CMS. Joomla/Drupal may be nice but, who the hell wants to be a web dev when they're supposed to be taking pictures? 

Some of us *are* web devs who take pictures as a hobby

John Jebbia wrote:
Those who hate Joomla simply don't get it. The first time I tried it, I hated it too. Coming from a Dreamweaver background, I just didn't get the whole "menu" concept.

...1yr later, I decided to give it a try again. Bought Joomla for Dummies, and sat down and actually read it and followed along.

Ahhh! I get it!

I've never looked back. It frees up so much of my time to actually shoot content..

IMO Joomla is the shiznet!

Which sites of yours are built using Joomla? PM the links if you don't want to post them here.

Shot By Adam wrote:

Not true. It's vulnerable to attacks because users don't update their plugins or create solid logins. There are plugins that auto-update everything in your wordpress site so it alleviates those issues completely.


Oh bullshit. It's so easy a caveman can learn it.



I've built four different websites for friends and clients over the last year in Wordpress and all of them were about as technically literate as my shoe. I was able to walk them through the entire process of updating their blogs, making changes to their sites, adding menus, etc. Wordpress was a bit difficult a long time ago but in the last three years or so it's been a breeze.

Many of everything doesn't work in IE. Their new version is better but let's face it, Internet Explorer is about the biggest piece of shit browser ever made. I don't even know one person who even uses it anymore. Nowadays it's either Chrome, Firefox, or even Safari. The latest figures show less than 20% of all computer users use IE and so if you even have a compatibility problem with it, which it's entirely possible you may never, you're talking about what, 5% compatibility problems? Who cares.


Never once ran into this personally. Not one time.

Im with ya. I personally love wordpress. Love a site/blog in one, its superb for SEO when you optimize correctly and with WP is so easy. Blogging has become Big in SEO land for better ranks with all the Google changes. Ive never had issues with a theme I paid for. Ive done a few sites and used at least 10 pro themes that were super customizable. access to code and FTP back end. It can be manipulated so you wont even recognize the original theme you bought. WP.org freebies sure, they are junk. lol I just redid my site, still tweaking it etc. My new theme responds fabulous on mobile devices. ANY site can be hacked..

IE is what blows!

Ive never tried Joomla but have tried others, went to WP and have never looked back. If its not broke dont fix it. I jumped huge in ranks switching to WP.

GoldRoseMedia wrote:
Which sites of yours are built using Joomla? PM the links if you don't want to post them here.

No can do.. the MM Gods are watching.

John Allan wrote:
BTW:

Just finished development of my custom Joomla module (ProFashionImageStrip).
It is back-ended by arguably the best image management solution available (SlideshowPro Director - which also has a lightroom module - so you can have a LR -> Director -> Image strip seamless workflow).

I have it up on my website currently displaying my portfolio.

http://www.johnallanstudio.com/Portfolio.html

The whole site is based on Joomla 2.5, so this is a real-world example.

John, the first thing I see when I open your page is Boobs. LOL, what about the kids surfing the net

Sal W Hanna wrote:

John, the first thing I see when I open your page is Boobs. LOL, what about the kids surfing the net

Yeah I guess.
Maybe when I get a few more images uploaded, I should separate out the nudity into a separate strip on a different page, I went ahead and included them here, because honestly they're pretty PG-13 boobies.

Aaron Lewis Photography wrote:

I told you why. It's always been very vulnerable to attacks, it's difficult to learn and use unless you have a degree in nuclear physics. Many of the plug ins offered don't work in Internet Explorer. Many of the Themes don't work in Internet Explorer. I'm sure I can keep going but trust me, it's ass.

A lot of stuff doesn't work in Internet Exploder. You can hand code like I do following HTML and CSS specs to the letter, and stuff won't display right in IE. Microsoft has been slow to adopt new standards, and when they finally get around to it, they usually implement the specs wrong. Every version they release fixes some bugs and creates others. It took them until version 9 just to implement something simple like corner radiuses.

As for Joomla vs. Wordpress, I much prefer Wordpress. I inherited one site that was built in Joomla after the developer disappeared. After maintaining the site for a couple of years and trying to figure out Joomla, I finally ported it over to Wordpress at my own expense. I got tired of the Joomla site getting hacked and crashing on its own. Just a simple thing like creating a page and trying to find the URL for it in Joomla is a pain, at least in 1.5 which was what I was using. Unlike Wordpress, where you can click on a link to view the page and get the URL right there.

I found Wordpress to be more stable, better supported with plugins, and easier to set up and use.