Art Silva Photography wrote:
I was watching Cops last night and one story had these cops apprehending two gangster kids in broad daylight in a nice residential neighborhood ages 15 and 17.  Get this, one had a semi automatic assault 30 clip down his pants and the other a S&W hand gun. They thought there was nothing wrong and questioned the cop why HE'S carrying a gun, WTF...Kids justified theirs as protection from other kids and cops. Again WTF?!

This is the mentality that is ruining it for the rest of us. I think THIS is what the Obama administration is trying to fight, it's pretty much a war against the law breakers and unqualified law breakers and threats to society.

Please don't turn this into a gun debate.  This thread is not about politics or gangsters.

DivaEroticus wrote:
Anyway...

I've decided what to buy.  A Ruger LCR .38 SPL +P.  It's got a nice grip, not too small.  It's lightweight, only 13oz.  And it's got a nice action.  Plus, it's compatible with the +P rounds.

I'll contact the shooting range, here, and go in and spend some time refreshing my memory and my reaction.

thats a fine choice, you might consider night sights too

Robb Mann wrote:
I want three guns. Help me pick them.

I want a nice handgun. Cop friend suggested a .40.
I want a shotgun. Something that can do skeet and HD.
I want a nice deer rifle.

Budget $2000 ish.

Suggestions?

You want to go with a 9mm handgun, something in a Glock or Beretta. Light yet full size and easy to carry concealed. Cost between $450-$600

I would recommend either the Remington 870 or Mossberg 500, they are great hunting/sporting and home defense guns. Cost $200-500

As for hunting rifles that's a tough one. The Ruger mini-14 ranch rifle makes a great semi-auto hunting rifle for a cheap price. Cost $725-$1000

Ronin_LLC wrote:
While you can get some decently small handguns that carry from 15-17 rounds in the clip, the high number of bullets is actually a bad thing.
This means that if the shooter panic fires the as most do in a majority of cases of gun self defense that mean that they have the potential to wildly fire more rounds that could end up hitting and innocent bystander.

A PRACTICAL ammo cap, is the best. The best part with revolvers is their interchangeable ammo abilities.

For someone who "claims" to be such an expert on weapons, yet talks of a handgun that uses a clip? Moon clips aside, because we know thats not what you were talking about.

All mine use magazines or mags. I do have a rifle that uses stripper clips, but have never saw a modern handgun or any handgun that uses clips.

Other than the 357/38, 45 Colt/410, and 44 mag/44 special what revolvers have interchangeable ammo abilities?

Ronin_LLC wrote:

That's when you come to someone like me. Gun Gophers are making a killing in todays market thanks to all the panic buying that have got stores on back orders.

You want a new AR 15 complete lower?

The store says you are going that have to pay $600 and wait at least 2 weeks before they can even order it.

A guy like me can get you one buy tomorrow for almost half that.

Anyone can get lowers around $300 that are smart enough to check out GunBroker. It's not rocket science.

http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=AR+lower

Kevin Fair wrote:
For someone who "claims" to be such an expert on weapons, yet talks of a handgun that uses a clip?

Clip, is now days used as a euphemism for a magazine for all guns.

Kevin Fair wrote:
All mine use magazines or mags. I do have a rifle that uses stripper clips, but have never saw a modern handgun or any handgun that uses clips.

That is because you know nothing about firearms, You would know that the first semi auto repeating pistols ALL USED stripper clips.

Lugers, Mauser pistols, etc etc all used stripper clips.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauser_C96

Kevin Fair wrote:
Other than the 357/38, 45 Colt/410, and 44 mag/44 special what revolvers have interchangeable ammo abilities?

I think you just answered your own question there making your stupidity all the more apparent.

Grow up kid.

Kevin Fair wrote:

Anyone can get lowers around $300 that are smart enough to check out GunBroker. It's not rocket science.

http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=AR+lower

Yes if you want to go through a dealer who will wait at least 2 weeks or more commonly; just ripped off.

Ronin_LLC wrote:
Aside from being a know nothing. You have yet again proven you know nothing.

Kevin Fair wrote:
For someone who "claims" to be such an expert on weapons, yet talks of a handgun that uses a clip?

Clip, is now days used as a euphemism for a magazine for all guns.

Kevin Fair wrote:
All mine use magazines or mags. I do have a rifle that uses stripper clips, but have never saw a modern handgun or any handgun that uses clips.

That is because you know nothing about firearms, You would know that the first semi auto repeating pistols ALL USED stripper clips.

Lugers, Mauser pistols, etc etc all used stripper clips.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauser_C96


I think you just answered your own question there making your stupidity all the more apparent.

Grow up kid.

Is that the best you got?

Ronin_LLC wrote:

Yes if you want to go through a dealer who will wait at least 2 weeks or more commonly; just ripped off.

Two weeks?

Have you ever bought a gun off there.

Kevin Fair wrote:

Is that the best you got?

Translation: You made me look like the idiot I am. Now everyone knows I know nothing about guns.

I repeat GROW UP KID, and take your meds.

Kevin Fair wrote:

Two weeks?

Have you ever bought a gun off there.

Several, and with the panic buying rush right now even the online dealers are at least two weeks behind.

Ronin_LLC wrote:

Several, and with the panic buying rush right now even the online dealers are at least two weeks behind.

Really? On Gunbroker?

Please show us your Google skills on this subject.

I have a friend that bought a lot of 5 AR lowers  off GB and they were delivered to his FFL in 4 days last week.

DivaEroticus wrote:
Start your own thread if you want to thread-jack.

Sorry about that, Kevin needs to do this to make himself feel smart and important.

DivaEroticus wrote:
Start your own thread if you want to thread-jack.

Here you go Ma'am, have your thread back.

- Phil H - wrote:

Here you go Ma'am, have your thread back.

Thank you!

DivaEroticus wrote:

Thank you!

I wish a safe future for you.

Whatever happens.

Safe and secure.

Wildcat

DivaEroticus wrote:
Start your own thread if you want to thread-jack.

Sorry.

If you do decide to buy a handgun for personal protection and it's your first handgun, I'd go with a simple 5 shot DA 357 revolver. You can always use lower powered 38 Specials in it. They make light weight versions too.

Jim Shibley wrote:
It would be nice if people would read the thread before commenting.

I overheard a co-worker saying that she kept a handgun in her purse for defense. She left for a job as a pro tem judge.

Sending positive thoughts!

Thanks, I appreciate the thoughts and encouragement.

Robb Mann wrote:
I want three guns. Help me pick them.

I want a nice handgun. Cop friend suggested a .40.
I want a shotgun. Something that can do skeet and HD.
I want a nice deer rifle.

Budget $2000 ish.

Suggestions?

Ronin_LLC wrote:
You want to go with a 9mm handgun, something in a Glock or Beretta. Light yet full size and easy to carry concealed. Cost between $450-$600

I would recommend either the Remington 870 or Mossberg 500, they are great hunting/sporting and home defense guns. Cost $200-500

As for hunting rifles that's a tough one. The Ruger mini-14 ranch rifle makes a great semi-auto hunting rifle for a cheap price. Cost $725-$1000

If I were you, I would go for a 9mm over a .40.
Ammo is more available and less expensive.
Less kick.
More shots in the mag.
A S&W M&P 9mm is 17+1...Gander Mtn has them for 499.
Although I like the Sig Sauer 9mm since it is DA first shot and SA the rest...
And it has a decocker.
But it costs around 2x+ the S&W.

Truly spend good money to buy a very good gun.
If you go to the range on a regular basis...within a year or two...you will have spent more money on ammo than the gun.

For a shotgun, the above recommendations are very good.
You will not be disappointed with those.

However, I am considering the Keltec KSG pump shotgun.
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/shotguns/ksg/
It has two magazines that you can switch with a lever by the trigger guard.
So you can have one mag loaded with slug or say 00 and the other 7 or Field Shot.
Which gives you instant choice of high penetration or low penetration.
Site says about $880.

Wildcat Photography wrote:
However, I am considering the Keltec KSG pump shotgun.
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/shotguns/ksg/
It has two magazines that you can switch with a lever by the trigger guard.
So you can have one mag loaded with slug or say 00 and the other 7 or Field Shot.
Which gives you instant choice of high penetration or low penetration.
Site says about $880.

The KSG is a good concept but not in practice.

The selector switch is temperamental at times and needs tweaking once you get it out of the box. They also do NOT come with sights or grips.
Its range and dependability make it ok for home defense or a great take down gun, its use for hunting and skeet shooting are lousy.

While the site says $880, shops and stores sell them for no less that $1500.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search.aspx?T=KSG%20shotgun

Art Silva Photography wrote:

Photo courtesy of The White House via The Hill dot com

What a doctored ass photo!  His shotgun's about to blow a barrel!  Secret service would never let him shoot a damaged gun!  Also, too much smoke for smokeless powder.

Wildcat Photography wrote:
However, I am considering the Keltec KSG pump shotgun.
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/shotguns/ksg/
It has two magazines that you can switch with a lever by the trigger guard.
So you can have one mag loaded with slug or say 00 and the other 7 or Field Shot.
Which gives you instant choice of high penetration or low penetration.
Site says about $880.

Not quite "instant," since you have to select it and then rack the slide.

I'd go with almost any 20ga autoloader (Saiga, Browning, etc.) filled with #6 as a "home defense shotgun." Quite effective at the ranges inside a regular suburban home, with almost no risk of injuring a neighbor by accident.

David Weiss wrote:
What a doctored ass photo!  His shotgun's about to blow a barrel!  Secret service would never let him shoot a damaged gun!

Looks like a bog-standard ported skeet barrel to me.

Caradoc wrote:

Looks like a bog-standard ported skeet barrel to me.

Don't think so!  It's porting up and to the right.  Wrong direction for a left hand shooter.  Looks to me like they put a gerb behind it and the smoke is from the priming hole.

Caradoc wrote:

Not quite "instant," since you have to select it and then rack the slide.

I'd go with almost any 20ga autoloader (Saiga, Browning, etc.) filled with #6 as a "home defense shotgun." Quite effective at the ranges inside a regular suburban home, with almost no risk of injuring a neighbor by accident.

+1

David Weiss wrote:

What a doctored ass photo!  His shotgun's about to blow a barrel!  Secret service would never let him shoot a damaged gun!  Also, too much smoke for smokeless powder.

Who cares??  I don't give a rat's ass about political pictures with guns.  Leave it alone, it's not about politics.

Caradoc wrote:

Not quite "instant," since you have to select it and then rack the slide.

I'd go with almost any 20ga autoloader (Saiga, Browning, etc.) filled with #6 as a "home defense shotgun." Quite effective at the ranges inside a regular suburban home, with almost no risk of injuring a neighbor by accident.

Leave the birdshot alone and go for a minimum of #1 buck for home defence.  FBI tests rated #1 and larger as having enough penetration to do the job.  Good leather biker jackets may stop some birdshot loads.  #2 steel duck loads can get stopped by a piece of one by lumber at 25 meters (1/4"penetration), so something heavier is needed.

The more rounds you have in a gunfight, the better off you are!

Agree with the Saiga 12 suggestion.  But they will kick like a mule.  The harsh recoil does pull the muzzle high, but the bolt slamming home knocks the muzzle right back down to target again.  Recommend a Kick Lite stock addition for all Saigas.  Stick mags of 5-12 rounds are in short supply right now.  8 rounds are probably the best size, as the 10's and 12's are pretty long.  In home defence, use a sling, and have it on, as it prevents the weapon from being used on you if they try to take it away.

DivaEroticus wrote:

Who cares??  I don't give a rat's ass about political pictures with guns.  Leave it alone, it's not about politics.

LMFAO!! People be thread-jacking the hell out of this one.

David Weiss wrote:
The more rounds you have in a gunfight, the better off you are!

I grew up in a house full of guns. My father and older brothers were hunters. My father had me in the woods with a BB gun at 6 so he could teach me how to handle a real gun when I was old enough. And he did.

I was a Master at Arms in the Navy.

I don't think I've ever met anybody that would agree with what you've said here.

Cuica Cafezinho wrote:

I grew up in a house full of guns. My father and older brothers were hunters. My father had me in the woods with a BB gun at 6 so he could teach me how to handle a real gun when I was old enough. And he did.

I was a Master at Arms in the Navy.

I don't think I've ever met anybody that would agree with what you've said here.

+1,000,000

It doesn't matter how many rounds you fire if you can't hit your target.

Cuica Cafezinho wrote:

I hope your are safe.

But I have to say, if you were near me I would report what you are saying to the police. This is the kind of shit people say before you see them on CNN.

You dont know her.  You do not know what hell she has been through. 

When you fear for your life because your ex has a bad case of the crazies and needs to be in a looney bin, then come back and pass judgement.

HellBelle wrote:
Gee, wasn't there already a "Don't make this into a political thread" post AND a MOD warning about threadjacking in here somewhere? Tsk, people.

Do what you feel you have to in order to keep yourself safe, lady! Maybe in addition to the gun, take some self-defense classes and get some pepper spray? Never hurts to be thorough!

And a big mother fuckin dog