rfordphotos wrote:

I am not saying there are not murderous cops on the forces across the country. I dont believe they are the majority by any measure. I believe there are more good cops than bad cops.

But their crimes dont give people like Dorner a free pass to murder anyone. The crimes committed by the police do not justify anarchy, they do not justify murder by a disgruntled ex cop.

Dorner has all but admitted he committed two cold-blooded, calculated ambush murders, he is a strong suspect in the assault and murder of a police office during the manhunt.

You can speculate all you choose about other murderous cops--- but Dorner has removed any speculation, he is a mad dog, on a self serving murderous rampage.

Stop trying to justify his actions. No rational being actually believes he has a "right" to do the things he appears guilty of.

Take a deep breath. She said nothing to justify Dorner. She didn't even mention him.

Select Models wrote:
Cops in that situation FUCKED UP MAJORLY and they will be paying for that mistake THRU THE NOSE!...

Nope.  The taxpayers will be paying.  The police, as individuals, are almost always protected from their wrongdoings.

IBS wrote:

I never said what he is doing is right.

I said I could understand why some people might look at him as some sort of folk hero if they have been screwed over by the system. And I don't need to speculate about dirty cops. I know they exist.

I also know that there are those that are just as guilty or moreso than he is.

He is not operating under the protection of the badge anymore.

QFT again

IBS wrote:
I never said what he is doing is right.

I said I could understand why some people might look at him as some sort of folk hero if they have been screwed over by the system. [...]

I guess this is the part that confounds me.

Read his "manifesto". Page after page of self-serving me, me, me.... he has to clear his "name". So he ambushes and murders the children of the people he has a grievance with.

And you "understand" why he is seen as a folk hero?

In what sick twisted world is he justified in murder?

rfordphotos wrote:

I guess this is the part that confounds me.

Read his "manifesto". Page after page of self-serving me, me, me.... he has to clear his "name". So he ambushes and murders the children of the people he has a grievance with.

And you "understand" why he is seen as a folk hero?

In what sick twisted world is he justified in murder?

In a tit for tat world. For people that think they have been wronged but see no recourse.

I understand why some people in particular the disenfranchised might have sympathy for the guy.

It's not a new phenomenon.

"Arguably the most susceptible to the creation of legends is the persona of the Wild West outlaw. Ironically, even though these men and women walked on the "wrong" side of the law, they appear often in the role of a folk hero. Jesse James and his gang were responsible for at least 15 killings, but time has painted a different portrait, and Jesse James's death by being shot from behind by a member of his own gang is lamented in folk songs. Perhaps because the outlaws came from the common people and they most frequently targeted banks (which were popularly perceived as faceless institutions owned by the wealthy), the outlaws were compared to Robin Hood rather than seen as the murderous criminals they often were."

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/gang … idy/1.html

http://marclepine.blogspot.com/2009/04/ … -hero.html

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic … 98,00.html

IBS wrote:
I never said what he is doing is right.

RIF

T wrote:
Take a deep breath. She said nothing to justify Dorner. She didn't even mention him.

Well T, we are not discussing Santa Claus. Dorner is the subject of the thread, he didnt need to be mentioned by name to know who we were discussing, did he?

And before this goes any further, please dont mistake my passion, and possibly poor communication skills, as any kind of personal attack on any of the forum members here. We are here discussing an ugly situation, one I am sure we ALL wish had never occurred. A situation with roots in issues far bigger than Dorner.

IBS wrote:

In a tit for tat world. For people that think they have been wronged but see no recourse.

I understand why some people in particular the disenfranchised might have sympathy for the guy.

It's not a new phenomenon.

"Arguably the most susceptible to the creation of legends is the persona of the Wild West outlaw. Ironically, even though these men and women walked on the "wrong" side of the law, they appear often in the role of a folk hero. Jesse James and his gang were responsible for at least 15 killings, but time has painted a different portrait, and Jesse James's death by being shot from behind by a member of his own gang is lamented in folk songs. Perhaps because the outlaws came from the common people and they most frequently targeted banks (which were popularly perceived as faceless institutions owned by the wealthy), the outlaws were compared to Robin Hood rather than seen as the murderous criminals they often were."

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/gang … idy/1.html

http://marclepine.blogspot.com/2009/04/ … -hero.html

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic … 98,00.html

Good points. I sometimes forget to look back in history for things like this.... and without history to maintain perspective....well...

I am just not ready to trade the progress of the last 50 years for anarchy.

The world is a better place than it was 50 years ago. Human rights, civil rights here in the US have taken huge steps. Not enough yet, and the social change is maddeningly slow. But things are better than they were.

We can either be a civilized people who put our faith in a system of laws, or we can return to the anarchy and lawlessness.

People may choose to make outlaws their heroes. It was ignorant in the 19th century, it is ignorant now.

Dorner is a cold blooded murderer. If people are setting him up as a folk hero, then other people need to be showing him for exactly what he really is, a self serving terrorist with no concerns whatsoever for anyone but himself.

Lohkee wrote:
"If you turn yourself in, then you will be safe and nobody else has to die," Beck said. "If you don't, if you decide to try to take the life of another Los Angeles police officer or their family member, then you'll have to suffer the consequences."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/10/us/lapd-a … ?hpt=hp_t1


Sure sounds a lot like "we are going to kill you if you don't turn yourself in."  Wow.

Yeah, pretty much. I guess he learned from the best huh?

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

Lohkee wrote:
Sure sounds a lot like "we are going to kill you if you don't turn yourself in."  Wow.

I doubt LAPD will let him to turn himself in.  They want to silent him on the spot, be done.

Connor Photography wrote:

I doubt LAPD will let him to turn himself in.  They want to silent him on the spot, be done.

Hope so.

What Fun Productions wrote:

Hope so.

Quit trolling Republican plant.

What Fun Productions wrote:

Hope so.

So you want the LAPD to be lawless?

T wrote:

So you want the LAPD to be lawless?

They can leave it up to the Feds... pick him off with a drone.

Tonic Dog Studios wrote:
What surprised me what the level of coherence in the 'manifesto'.  Ignoring the sections of pro-Obama, anti-gun, pro-liberal moonbat ravings, he did lay out a case.

That can be a powerful thing in a culture with a lot of pent-up frustration and anxiety.

When I said he had some valid points you accused me of being smitten. It was pretty sane until he said he didn't vote in the last election...WTF? That's just unforgivable!

Lightcraft Studio wrote:

They can leave it up to the Feds... pick him off with a drone.

They will do it the old fashion LAPD way...

T wrote:

So you want the LAPD to be lawless?

Apparently so

What Fun Productions wrote:
Anyone that defends Dorner should be ashamed.

Shame on you too.

What Fun Productions wrote:

Hope so.

People say a lot of off-the-wall stuff on MM, but this one really takes the cake. Do you hope Dorner is summarily executed because, well, hell, it's just another black guy, or do you really believe that the police should be the judge, jury, and executioner?

Frankly, I'm not so which of the two possibilities scare me the most.

T wrote:

so so sad.  the lapd offered to buy the ladies another truck.  well no kidding, they should buy them at least 2 new trucks.

Connor Photography wrote:

I doubt LAPD will let him to turn himself in.  They want to silent him on the spot, be done.

That's pretty obvious. It sounds like they are afraid of what he would say if captured alive.

They want to bury whatever dirt he has on them with him and at any cost.

IBS wrote:

That's pretty obvious. It sounds like they are afraid of what he would say if captured alive.

They want to bury whatever dirt he has on them with him and at any cost.

I doubt he has any "dirt" which he hasn't already told people. Cops everywhere, not just in L.A., tend to get pretty aggressive with cop-killers.

Lightcraft Studio wrote:

I doubt he has any "dirt" which he hasn't already told people. Cops everywhere, not just in L.A., tend to get pretty aggressive with cop-killers.

If it's just us getting killed that's more wave runners and toy haulers for them. When they start getting killed it's time for them to actually work.

Lightcraft Studio wrote:

I doubt he has any "dirt" which he hasn't already told people. Cops everywhere, not just in L.A., tend to get pretty aggressive with cop-killers.

He might actually have documentation.

It would be interesting to see what he sent Anderson Cooper.

T wrote:

So you want the LAPD to be lawless?

Sounds like they already are.

IBS wrote:

He might actually have documentation.

It would be interesting to see what he sent Anderson Cooper.

Maybe, maybe not. But, he still (apparantly) murdered three innocent people.

Michael Bots wrote:
Drones looking for him now.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/376 … -policeman

I seriously hope this is a joke.

Lohkee wrote:

People say a lot of off-the-wall stuff on MM, but this one really takes the cake. Do you hope Dorner is summarily executed because, well, hell, it's just another black guy, or do you really believe that the police should be the judge, jury, and executioner?

Frankly, I'm not so which of the two possibilities scare me the most.

Yes.

No trial, no media bullshit. No more taxpayer costs.

Dead.

T wrote:

I seriously hope this is a joke.

No possibility for a screw up there.

Now we are going to use drones on American soil. Fanefftastic.

IBS wrote:

That's pretty obvious. It sounds like they are afraid of what he would say if captured alive.

They want to bury whatever dirt he has on them with him and at any cost.

Conjecture.

Michael Bots wrote:
Drones looking for him now.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/376 … -policeman

those are equipped with thermal imaging devices. read the story. they aren't going to al qaeda his ass.

besides, for less than ten bucks, the thermal image camera can basically be neutralized.

http://www.rei.com/product/813514/sol-survival-blanket

What Fun Productions wrote:
Yes.

No trial, no media bullshit. No more taxpayer costs.

Dead.

wrong. that would cement his status as folk hero in the eyes of those who think he is one, or who may possibly be on the fence.

bring him in alive. he'll probably force the cops to kill him anyway, or do himself in if his capture is imminent.

What Fun Productions wrote:

Yes.

No trial, no media bullshit. No more taxpayer costs.

Dead.

Noted for future discussions regarding drone strikes against Americans.