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Kyle T Edwards
Posts: 419
St Catharines, Ontario, Canada


The only real defense is self-defense.  You can stuff whatever you want into your purse or bra or wherever else you want to stuff it, but there's going to come a time where it's going to be further away from you than the photographer.  Even if it isn't, if some creep does make a move, how fast can you get to your purse, open it, get the can of mace out, and spray him before he uses his weight and momentum to knock you to the ground?

It's great to say "I carry a ____ with me all the time", but if you insist on hanging onto your mace or gun or knife, 99 times out of 100, that's going to ruin my shot (the other time, I'll bring my own prop weapon, thanks).  If you're constantly ruining my shots like that, I'm walking away, and no, you're not getting paid.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but I'm just pointing out the reality of it - you won't always have your external defense on hand.  If you want defense, you will have to rely solely on yourself.

Kozmina wrote:
Yup. Made me think of the new show on the Bio channel.

http://www.biography.com/tv/model-kille … auty-queen

First episode tells about how "scarey" it is for a llama.




(Cliff notes-Model kills husband and eats him for dinner.Yeah,its the photogs that are oh so scarey)

She must be crazy.  Does she have any idea how much fat is in a husband??

Feb 14 13 10:52 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Kozmina
Posts: 6,533
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US


Kyle T Edwards wrote:

She must be crazy.  Does she have any idea how much fat is in a husband??

He was a pretty fat guy. lol

Feb 14 13 10:54 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
London Fog
Posts: 6,770
London, England, United Kingdom


RKD Photographic wrote:
Turn up to my studio with a gun or pepper-spray in your bag and I'm calling the police as both are prohibited here.

If you genuinely feel the need to carry a weapon to a shoot (and by this I mean for your safety in the studio, not merely travelling to and from the shoot) then you're in the wrong business or you need to move to a safer country - or both.

+1

Some really fucked up ideas on here!

Feb 14 13 11:19 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Leone P
Posts: 515
Batley, England, United Kingdom


Some of the posts on this thread are jaw dropping!
I may often loathe England for its vile weather and ridiculous politics but OH MY LORD am i glad i live in the UK now!

The photographers and llamas who are condoning carrying weapons is shocking. I'm not sure i would be comfortable visiting the US or a similiar country and not knowing who is packing and who isn't.

I am lucky enough to have never set eyes on a guy or any other weapon. The only knives i have are for cooking / eating. I would never consider taking one outside my front door.

So lets say you took a gun and you felt threatened, would you pull it on the tog? Further more, could you seriously pull the tigger?


The scenario playing in my head is a llama pulling a gun on a TOG, the TOG then pulling out his own piece when llama fails to back her her dumass move and low and behold, you both have guns out. Where do you go from there?




Get a grip! Like the world isn't a bad enough place without people carrying guns. This is how accidents happen, this is how people die!





If you seriously feel the need to carry a gun, knife or similiar. Get the heck out of this profession. This goes way beyond protection and into severe paranoia with serious consequences.


CHECK REFERENCES, GET ADDRESSES AND TELEPHONE NUMBER. LEAVE PLENTY OF DETAILS WITH FAMILY. UN-FREAKING-BELIEVABLE.
Feb 15 13 05:13 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Loki Studio
Posts: 2,926
Royal Oak, Michigan, US


If you bring a weapon to my studio that is not a prop you will talk to the police.  End of shoot.
Feb 15 13 06:04 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dan OMell
Posts: 1,335
Charlotte, North Carolina, US


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-M97e6fdzG18/UNSLswtskGI/AAAAAAAAOak/P4ZglrHuEMo/s1600/self_defense.jpg

http://images.betterworldbooks.com/780/Ultimate-Mind-Control-Lung-Dr-Haha-EB9780806535029.jpg
Feb 15 13 06:35 am  Link  Quote 
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ArtisticGlamour
Posts: 3,846
Phoenix, Arizona, US


The most important part of "Self Defense" is awareness, and not making yourself into a victim, in the first place.

Don't walk across the parking lot with your face buried in your cellphone texting. WAKE the f#@k up!  Be AWARE of your surroundings!

Keep your situational awareness about you, and most likely predators will look for easier targets.

As far as photoshoots, do lots of pre-shoot communication and bring a "driver" to the shoot if that makes you more comfortable. And have a valid "PLAN" in case of emergency.
Feb 15 13 06:44 am  Link  Quote 
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ArtisticGlamour
Posts: 3,846
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Leone P wrote:
So lets say you took a gun and you felt threatened, would you pull it on the tog? Further more, could you seriously pull the trigger?

Exactly! Training, training, training! wink

Don't carry a weapon (of any kind) unless you are trained and willing to use it in the correct life threatening circumstances. Your MIND is your MAIN weapon! Everything else is just a tool. Situational Awareness FIRST!

A pistol, pepper spray, or an Escort...are just "TOOLS" (that you USE).

Feb 15 13 06:53 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


Leone P wrote:
I'm not sure i would be comfortable visiting the US or a similiar country and not knowing who is packing and who isn't.

I'll help you out: I'm always packing. smile

Of course, you'll never know until shit goes down. wink

Feb 15 13 07:06 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gabby57
Posts: 394
Coppell, Texas, US


Still fairly new here, but this seems to be a recurring theme.  While I think everyone has the right and responsibility to defend themselves as they see fit, I do have some questions.

Has any model on MM ever had to physically fight off a photographer here on MM?  Ever?

Does the model intend to keep her (insert weapon of choice here) in her hand during the shoot?  If not, what the hell good does it do?

Why is shooting with a photographer who belongs to a public forum more menacing than other aspects of life, like fueling your car, or using an ATM?
Feb 15 13 07:40 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Travis Richardson
Posts: 107
MACK, Colorado, US


Im more worried about a stop at a gas station than an arranged photo shoot, but i have a fire extinguisher at home even though i dont plan on burning my house down. I always wear my seatbelt but ive never tried to run into anything.  I think being legally armed and trained to be competent with your protection of choice is just smart planning. (LEGALLY, and COMPETENT) I shot with a great model first at her house, then at a wilderness park,  found out through conversation during the shoot that she has her concealed permit and carried a small gun. Good for her... she also didnt feel the need for an escort since she was prepared to be able to take care of herself.
Feb 15 13 07:55 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Leone P
Posts: 515
Batley, England, United Kingdom


KonstantKarma wrote:

I'll help you out: I'm always packing. smile

Of course, you'll never know until shit goes down. wink

Haha! I shall put you on my 'avoid or be possibly shot' list.
Your the only name on it so far. smile Honoured much? X

Feb 15 13 08:03 am  Link  Quote 
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Drew Smith Photography
Posts: 5,209
Nottingham, England, United Kingdom


ArtisticGlamour wrote:
The most important part of "Self Defense" is awareness, and not making yourself into a victim, in the first place.

Respectfully, nope. smile

Our inscrutable 6th Dan Master would often preach on self defense. I always thought it was a sensible mantra:

Best form of self defense - do not be there in the first place. smile

That's it really. Checking references, doing sensible due diligence and following your gut instinct equates to 'not being there in the first place' if any of it doesn't check out or you get a 'bad' feeling.

For those of you that are interested, Master Barker would then go on to say:

If you are out and about -stay awake, be aware of what is happening around you. The next best form of self defense, should you suspect that their is trouble brewing, is to 'run'. Run away as fast as you can.

If you are in a confined space or a building or such and can't run, lets say you escape route is blocked (always be aware of the escape routes BEFORE trouble starts) remove the obstacle in your path with ferocious speed and maximum force and then RUN. As fast as you can.

Master Barker was big on running fast.

Interestingly he would also go on to preach that if you were outnumbered and unable to unblock your escape route, then always try to take down the apparent 'ring leader' first.  Which makes sense when you think about it. smile

Feb 15 13 08:05 am  Link  Quote 
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ArtisticGlamour
Posts: 3,846
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Drew Smith Photography wrote:
Respectfully, nope. smile

Our inscrutable 6th Dan Master would often preach on self defense. I always thought it was a sensible mantra:

Best form of self defense - do not be there in the first place. smile

That's it really. Checking references, doing sensible due diligence and following your gut instinct equates to 'not being there in the first place' if any of it doesn't check out or you get a 'bad' feeling.

Respectfully YES, I think we said the EXACT same thing: to WAKE up and be aware of your surroundings and avoid being a victim in the first place. Background checks and RUNNING AWAY are two of the best tools to AVOID danger.


However, I hesitate to advise "martial arts" as a reliable means of self defense, but a great way to develop confidence and mindset (and stay in shape). It can be the exact WRONG training for a truly violent confrontation.  Even from an inscrutable 6th Dan Master sensai. wink LOL!

MOST martial arts to not teach the OVERWHELMING catastrophic violence necessary in a life threatening situation.  Most martial arts teach an "exchange" similar to dancing...not REAL aggression. You don't want to "defend" against an attack, you want to PREVENT/STOP it immediately. No "exchanges" of violence, thank you. I'm too OLD to train to "play" fight anymore.

MOST people would be better to Train (fully train) with the proper application of pepper spray.

Feb 15 13 08:20 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
steve sessem
Posts: 69
Lackawanna, New York, US


Image Studios wrote:

They are not switchblades now they are spring assisted.

spring assisted and switchblades are not the same..
fine line between the two..
know what you are carrying

Feb 15 13 08:47 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Anna Von Leigh
Posts: 120
Chico, California, US


I appreciate all the feedback from both sides. This was my intention, to start a discussion.

I find it interesting that its mostly photographers responding. I didn't mean to make it seems as though models NEED to protect themselves from photographers.

One thing I will not stand for is getting angry messages from photographers telling me they will never work with me because they saw this thread. It's uncalled for, and unnecessary.

Please be respectful and kind.

Never once did I say I carry a weapon to shoots. Quit making assumptions.

Ok, sorry. Carry on smile
Feb 15 13 09:01 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ArtisticGlamour
Posts: 3,846
Phoenix, Arizona, US


BEST defense:
1.) WAKE UP!
2.) Have a good plan/Background checks/etc. (Use your brain 1st! and proper tools...)
3.) TRAIN, train, train the plan. (whatever "tools" you choose)

It's a "mindset" that you should use in ALL your daily life...not just your photoshoots.
Feb 15 13 09:47 am  Link  Quote 
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ArtisticGlamour
Posts: 3,846
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Anna Von Leigh wrote:
Please be respectful and kind.

Never once did I say I carry a weapon to shoots.

Many photographers (such as myself) would have -no problem- with you choosing to protect yourself with a "carry" weapon, instead of counting on an (untrained) "escort" to protect you.

You would ALWAYS be welcome at my shoot!

And, I admire a woman who takes responsibility for her own safety, instead of "using" an (untrained) "escort" as a "tool".

Feb 15 13 09:55 am  Link  Quote 
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KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


Leone P wrote:

Haha! I shall put you on my 'avoid or be possibly shot' list.
Your the only name on it so far. smile Honoured much? X

Aw, now why would I shoot you? smile I have yet to have an emergency situation during a photoshoot.

Feb 15 13 11:42 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


ArtisticGlamour wrote:

Many photographers (such as myself) would have -no problem- with you choosing to protect yourself with a "carry" weapon, instead of counting on an (untrained) "escort" to protect you.

You would ALWAYS be welcome at my shoot!

And, I admire a woman who takes responsibility for her own safety, instead of "using" an (untrained) "escort" as a "tool".

This!

Obviously, a weapon is a last resort any model or photographer should need during a photoshoot, but I certainly welcome aware and responsible women who want to shoot with me.

Feb 15 13 11:45 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Leone P
Posts: 515
Batley, England, United Kingdom


KonstantKarma wrote:

Aw, now why would I shoot you? smile I have yet to have an emergency situation during a photoshoot.

Who knows haha! If i was to see said weapong, you can bet i would run as fast as my little legs could carry me whilst screaming "crazy gun man!!" the whole way lol!


Maybe it's just because i live in the UK but guns just aren't cool. sad

Feb 15 13 11:49 am  Link  Quote 
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JONATHAN RICHARD
Posts: 640
New York, New York, US


Anna Von Leigh wrote:
I appreciate all the feedback from both sides. This was my intention, to start a discussion. .......
…….Never once did I say I carry a weapon to shoots. Quit making assumptions.

Maybe you should have assessed the potential ramifications to your MM profile with such a post?
I see it as having shot yourself in the foot ….so to say.

Feb 15 13 12:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Kozmina
Posts: 6,533
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US


Jonathan Richard wrote:

Maybe you should have assessed the potential ramifications to your MM profile with such a post?
I see it as having shot yourself in the foot ….so to say.

Maybe she only wants to work with photogs that can read a thread in it's entirety and therefore would know that she herself does not carry a weapon and that she made this thread in order to spark conversation?

Feb 15 13 12:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gabby57
Posts: 394
Coppell, Texas, US


Leone P wrote:
Who knows haha! If i was to see said weapong, you can bet i would run as fast as my little legs could carry me whilst screaming "crazy gun man!!" the whole way lol!


Maybe it's just because ilive in the UK but guns just aren't cool. sad

Yep, must be because you live in the UK, or as some others here with similar views in an urban center, because guns are a lot of fun, bought my grand daughter a pink .22 for her tenth birthday last year.  She loves it when her dad takes her shooting.  It's all about cultural tolerance and education.

But the thread isn't gun specific, and no one has answered the questions I posed.  All of the statistics indicate violent crime has been decreasing in the US for many years, but the 24 hr. news cycle seems to keep people more on edge, or maybe being on edge has decreased the crime?  Hard to say.

Feb 15 13 12:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jojo West
Posts: 972
Silver Spring, Maryland, US


Anna Von Leigh wrote:
Ok kids, I want to get other models ideas on this subject. Feeling protected on photo shoots. I'm talking about bringing a weapon or pepper spray, or something of that matter to a shoot.

We all have our bag full of clothes and makeup, do you also carry a knife? Gun? Taser?


*EDITED*

I keep pepper spray in my bag at all times. smile

Feb 15 13 12:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
WIP
Posts: 15,375
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


Anna Von Leigh wrote:
We all have our bag full of clothes and makeup, do you also carry a knife? Gun? Taser?

So if the photographers 6 ft away from you and your weapon(s) are 20 ft away in a bag how are you going to reach them when he advances towards you.. unless you have your taser in your g-string.

Feb 15 13 01:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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Leone P
Posts: 515
Batley, England, United Kingdom


Gabby57 wrote:
Yep, must be because you live in the UK, or as some others here with similar views in an urban center, because guns are a lot of fun, bought my grand daughter a pink .22 for her tenth birthday last year.  She loves it when her dad takes her shooting.  It's all about cultural tolerance and education.

Are you kidding me! You can't be for real?!? Hell, i hope to be buying my daughters dolls and board games for their tenth birthday, not a freaking gun! Jeeeeze!

Feb 15 13 01:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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Leone P
Posts: 515
Batley, England, United Kingdom


Leone P wrote:

Are you kidding me! You can't be for real?!? Hell, i hope to be buying my daughters dolls and board games for their tenth birthday, not a freaking gun! Jeeeeze!

Sorry if that sounded bitchy and judgemental. Just boggles my mind a little. Guns and knives etc just aren't common at all in the UK. The only time you hear of them are on the news and that's not very often!

Feb 15 13 01:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gabby57
Posts: 394
Coppell, Texas, US


Leone P wrote:
Are you kidding me! You can't be for real?!? Hell, i hope to be buying my daughters dolls and board games for their tenth birthday, not a freaking gun! Jeeeeze!

Like I said, it's a matter of the culture you are in. 

I got my first gun at 12, most of my friends had theirs by the time they were 10, one of his uncles bought my grand son his first at 9.  Mind you, they are only allowed to handle them under adult supervision (and they'd be in deep trouble posing for a picture with their finger on the trigger ;-))Nobody I know ever got into trouble with one, and I'll turn 56 Sunday.

LOL,
It just occurred to me how much safer Nadia must have felt when I had her pose with that sword in my port!

Feb 15 13 01:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ChanStudio - OtherSide
Posts: 5,317
Alpharetta, Georgia, US


Anna Von Leigh wrote:
Ok kids, I want to get other models ideas on this subject. Feeling protected on photo shoots. I'm talking about bringing a weapon or pepper spray, or something of that matter to a shoot.

We all have our bag full of clothes and makeup, do you also carry a knife? Gun? Taser?


*EDITED*

I heard that Hitachi make very good magic wand.



  Are you bringing weapons to protect yourself from the photographer or from other people?

Feb 15 13 01:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ChanStudio - OtherSide
Posts: 5,317
Alpharetta, Georgia, US


Anna Von Leigh wrote:
I appreciate all the feedback from both sides. This was my intention, to start a discussion.

I find it interesting that its mostly photographers responding. I didn't mean to make it seems as though models NEED to protect themselves from photographers.

One thing I will not stand for is getting angry messages from photographers telling me they will never work with me because they saw this thread. It's uncalled for, and unnecessary.

Please be respectful and kind.

Never once did I say I carry a weapon to shoots. Quit making assumptions.

Ok, sorry. Carry on smile

I think we as society being very paranoid at times.. smile

Feb 15 13 01:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Natural Means
Posts: 545
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Anna Von Leigh wrote:
Ok kids, I want to get other models ideas on this subject. Feeling protected on photo shoots. I'm talking about bringing a weapon or pepper spray, or something of that matter to a shoot.

We all have our bag full of clothes and makeup, do you also carry a knife? Gun? Taser?


*EDITED*

I'd rather you focus on looking good than be worried about the revolver vs semi-auto quandry while we shoot.

Protection?

References

Variety and comfort of models in the photographers pf

Tags from happy models

Repeat shoots

Be accompanied by a driver (not escort) -

Be seen ringing in to friend or family as you arrive

Facebook tag bsfore shoot

Make out a will (joking joking)

Balance enthusasim with sensible caution

No weapons - i take crap photos when im worried if my revolver is out gunned today

Feb 15 13 01:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ArtisticGlamour
Posts: 3,846
Phoenix, Arizona, US


c_h_r_i_s wrote:
So if the photographers 6 ft away from you and your weapon(s) are 20 ft away in a bag how are you going to reach them when he advances towards you.. unless you have your taser in your g-string.

Exactly! It's so much better to have a policeman (who's 5 miles away) to protect you! LOL! Or to put your (untrained) escort (boyfriend) in harm's way. Much better HE ("escort") die or get hurt, than a "model". LOL!

Once again, it's just better to use your BEST weapon...your BRAIN...in the first place.

Feb 15 13 02:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
WIP
Posts: 15,375
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


BRAIN ! were talking models here.
Feb 15 13 03:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 6,017
New York, New York, US


Kozmina wrote:

Maybe she only wants to work with photogs that can read a thread in it's entirety and therefore would know that she herself does not carry a weapon and that she made this thread in order to spark conversation?

If so, given all the recent shootings we've had in this country, the number of threads currently active in off-topic and how frequently the question is raised in the industry forums, as a conversational gambit, it's in execrable taste.

Feb 15 13 03:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
V Laroche
Posts: 2,746
New Orleans, Louisiana, US


I carry a little pink can of pepper spray with me everywhere. Last week I came really close to using it for the first time on a group of men, but in the end they decided they would rather leave me alone than find out how bad it burns.
Feb 15 13 03:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Anna Von Leigh
Posts: 120
Chico, California, US


Rays Fine Art wrote:

If so, given all the recent shootings we've had in this country, the number of threads currently active in off-topic and how frequently the question is raised in the industry forums, as a conversational gambit, it's in execrable taste.

There is a big difference between a murderer, rapist and serial killer and a person protecting themselves. This has nothing to do with innocent people being killed or gun laws.

It was a question directed at models, try not to read into it so much.

Feb 15 13 03:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
WIP
Posts: 15,375
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


V Laroche wrote:
I carry a little pink can of pepper spray with me everywhere. Last week I came really close to using it for the first time on a group of men, but in the end they decided they would rather leave me alone than find out how bad it burns.

Were they photographers ?

Feb 15 13 03:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark Salo
Posts: 8,152
Olney, Maryland, US


c_h_r_i_s wrote:
So if the photographers 6 ft away from you and your weapon(s) are 20 ft away in a bag how are you going to reach them when he advances towards you.. unless you have your taser in your g-string.

This gives me a great idea for a shoot.

Feb 15 13 03:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ArtisticGlamour
Posts: 3,846
Phoenix, Arizona, US


c_h_r_i_s wrote:
BRAIN ! were talking models here.

LOL! lol True, forget what I said...better to just bring an escort! LOL!

Feb 15 13 04:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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