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Photographer
Davian J
Posts: 295
Sacramento, California, US


My MUA isn't always available when I want/need to shoot so I want to have my own "studio" make-up kit for models to use when she's not available. What should be in the kit?
Apr 08 13 07:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Tegan Ridge
Posts: 20
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Here are the requirements for IATSE, it's an extensive list but it'll give you an idea!  It's on page 4.

www.iatse.com/public/applications/MUPAPP.pdf

I'd try to get palettes if I were you, lots of colours to cover a lot of skin tones and provide options.  Best of luck.
Apr 08 13 07:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Laura UnBound
Posts: 26,745
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Do you trust your models will always follow proper hygiene/sanitation procedures when using something that will be used by others after them?


I've had photographers provide hundreds of dollars worth of makeup in *their* studio kits...I won't touch any of it. I have NO idea how many times a girl just picked up a lipstick or an eyeliner pencil and smeared it directly on her face, I don't know how many times a powder was double dipped into, how many fingers touched the insides of the foundation bottles , etc etc.


Do YOU want to be the one blamed when a girl leaves your shoot with pink eye?
Apr 08 13 08:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Tegan Ridge
Posts: 20
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Laura UnBound wrote:
Do you trust your models will always follow proper hygiene/sanitation procedures when using something that will be used by others after them?


I've had photographers provide hundreds of dollars worth of makeup in *their* studio kits...I won't touch any of it. I have NO idea how many times a girl just picked up a lipstick or an eyeliner pencil and smeared it directly on her face, I don't know how many times a powder was double dipped into, how many fingers touched the insides of the foundation bottles , etc etc.


Do YOU want to be the one blamed when a girl leaves your shoot with pink eye?

...you raise a very good point.  I didn't even think of models sterilising things....  I've had people try to drink my spray bottle of alcohol at work.  hmm

Apr 08 13 09:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Sophia Be
Posts: 6,347
Portland, Oregon, US


Laura UnBound wrote:
Do you trust your models will always follow proper hygiene/sanitation procedures when using something that will be used by others after them?


I've had photographers provide hundreds of dollars worth of makeup in *their* studio kits...I won't touch any of it. I have NO idea how many times a girl just picked up a lipstick or an eyeliner pencil and smeared it directly on her face, I don't know how many times a powder was double dipped into, how many fingers touched the insides of the foundation bottles , etc etc.


Do YOU want to be the one blamed when a girl leaves your shoot with pink eye?

There are things much worse then pink eye, too

Apr 08 13 09:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Laura UnBound
Posts: 26,745
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Tegan Ridge wrote:

...you raise a very good point.  I didn't even think of models sterilising things....  I've had people try to drink my spray bottle of alcohol at work.  hmm

Some girls won't even care, I've witnessed other just dive right into makeup kits with questionable cleanliness, but its a lot of risk and a lot of money for something that if you're not careful can go really wrong.

Apr 08 13 09:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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TheMakeupMan
Posts: 3,731
Los Angeles, California, US


I'd stay away from any kind of cream products.   
Powder products are safest to carry.
Best bet.  Tell your llamas in that case to bring their own makeup
Apr 08 13 09:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Tegan Ridge
Posts: 20
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Laura UnBound wrote:
Some girls won't even care, I've witnessed other just dive right into makeup kits with questionable cleanliness, but its a lot of risk and a lot of money for something that if you're not careful can go really wrong.

People like to play with kits.  I have had models and backgrounds and leads put their fingers in powders quite often.  Out of habit I spray/scrape/wipe everything before use, after use, and before I pack up...  I've heard of some self-taught MUAs (I'm self taught but spend years in chem labs, was an engineer) using lashes on multiple models, no no no no no no no.

Apr 08 13 10:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Aaliyah I
Posts: 226
Stevenage, England, United Kingdom


Apr 09 13 04:07 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Aaliyah I
Posts: 226
Stevenage, England, United Kingdom


Tegan Ridge wrote:
I've heard of some self-taught MUAs (I'm self taught but spend years in chem labs, was an engineer) using lashes on multiple models, no no no no no no no.

Urm...being self taught doesn't mean you haven't SELF TAUGHT yourself about hygiene and sanitation. I'm self taught but I am extremely hygienic and have done extensive research on cleanliness.

I've worked with a MUA that studied at the London College Of Fashion and they had crap hygiene and didn't even have foundation shades past a caramel complexion. School doesn't make you any more pro than anyone else, that's for sure. It's about implementing the knowledge you have too, not just studying.

Sorry for the rant but I hate the assumption that self-taught artists are just make up enthusiasts or don't know what they are doing.

Apr 09 13 04:09 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Tegan Ridge
Posts: 20
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Aaliyah I wrote:

Urm...being self taught doesn't mean you haven't SELF TAUGHT yourself about hygiene and sanitation. I'm self taught but I am extremely hygienic and have done extensive research on cleanliness.

I've worked with a MUA that studied at the London College Of Fashion and they had crap hygiene and didn't even have foundation shades past a caramel complexion. School doesn't make you any more pro than anyone else, that's for sure. It's about implementing the knowledge you have too, not just studying.

Sorry for the rant but I hate the assumption that self-taught artists are just make up enthusiasts or don't know what they are doing.

Hence why I included in parenthesis that I was educated in laboratory safety and WHMIS standards :p

Apr 09 13 06:48 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Tegan Ridge
Posts: 20
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I don't mean to imply that all self-taught artists are the same, but I've certainly seen some lacking around here.  I didn't at all mean to insult you, I just realised I misread what you typed.  I'm so sorry!!
Apr 09 13 06:50 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Lauren Reynolds Makeup
Posts: 282
London, England, United Kingdom


Aaliyah I wrote:

Urm...being self taught doesn't mean you haven't SELF TAUGHT yourself about hygiene and sanitation. I'm self taught but I am extremely hygienic and have done extensive research on cleanliness.

I've worked with a MUA that studied at the London College Of Fashion and they had crap hygiene and didn't even have foundation shades past a caramel complexion. School doesn't make you any more pro than anyone else, that's for sure. It's about implementing the knowledge you have too, not just studying.

Sorry for the rant but I hate the assumption that self-taught artists are just make up enthusiasts or don't know what they are doing.

+ a million

I've seen gold standard hygiene and appalling standards of hygiene from both self-taught artists and college/school/whatever educated artists. I'm self-taught too and take pride in the cleanliness of my kit.

Apr 09 13 08:36 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Davian J
Posts: 295
Sacramento, California, US


i just wanted to know what I should have in a basic kit... didn't mean to open a can of worms.
Apr 09 13 06:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Makeup Artist
TheMakeupMan
Posts: 3,731
Los Angeles, California, US


Davian J wrote:
i just wanted to know what I should have in a basic kit... didn't mean to open a can of worms.

If that's the case I'd suggest going to camera ready cosmetics and Mary has already put together really good basic makeup kits to keep on set

Apr 10 13 03:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
make-up by lizzie
Posts: 217
San Francisco, California, US


TheMakeupMan wrote:

If that's the case I'd suggest going to camera ready cosmetics and Mary has already put together really good basic makeup kits to keep on set

+1 Really good quality products and they're bundled together at a great price


Also check out inmykit.com... a wealth of info there! big_smile

Apr 13 13 10:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Linda Chudomelova
Posts: 133
Prague, Prague, Czech Republic


Tegan Ridge wrote:
I've heard of some self-taught MUAs (I'm self taught but spend years in chem labs, was an engineer) using lashes on multiple llamas, no no no no no no no.

Any reason why you can't re-use false lashes? I sanitize and re-use mine regularly.

To the OP, I'd suggest finding another MUA or two to work with. It will save you the headache. Good tools you provide won't mean the llamas will be able to do an equivalently good job as an MUA with them.

Apr 14 13 12:00 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


To the OP: It's fine to have a kit on set, as long as you know how to care for it, and actually do it, after each and every shoot. If you're willing to commit to doing this after a long shoot, as well as everything else you have to do, I recommend getting your hands on one of Mary's kits, like others have said.

So you know what is involved in cleaning a professional makeup kit:

You will need to wipe/scrape the top layer of EVERYTHING after all the models have gone home, and, as far as pencils are concerned, you need to wipe the pencil, re-sharpen it (for cleanliness, not because of dullness) and then wipe it again. In the case of things that are normally applied straight from the tube, I honestly recommend re-packaging it so a brush/disposable HAS to be used. Provide brushes as well, and disposable applicators (also things like baby wipes, q-tips, tissues, etc.), throw away ALL disposables immediately after use, and wash the brushes after EVERY shoot, drying them handle-up. If you do a lot of shoots with more than one model, I recommend getting more than one good brush set.

Oh, and cut the mascara wand off the mascara tube and provide disposables instead. Make sure the models know that, if they double-dip in anything, ESPECIALLY the mascara, they are off set and on their way home. Yes, that means at least two disposable mascara brushes per model, but that also means that there's a much lower chance of someone getting infected.

I applaud you for wanting to go the extra mile, and hope that you're able to do so in a safe manner as well. If any other artists have specifics that they'd like to add to what I had to say, please feel free. smile
Apr 14 13 04:13 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Linda Chudomelova wrote:

Any reason why you can't re-use false lashes? I sanitize and re-use mine regularly.

To the OP, I'd suggest finding another MUA or two to work with. It will save you the headache. Good tools you provide won't mean the models will be able to do an equivalently good job as an MUA with them.

Eyes have the ability to carry nasty diseases that can oftentimes only be killed by applying a hospital-grade disinfectant or with extremely high levels of heat, both of which would ruin fake lashes. I don't know what you're using, but if they're usable after sanitation, you probably aren't using strong enough stuff.

Cheap, good lashes are relatively simple to find. The solution is to give the lashes to the model and get new ones, just like you would disposable mascara brushes.

Apr 14 13 04:15 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
MICosmetics
Posts: 7
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


Sophia Be wrote:
I've had photographers provide hundreds of dollars worth of makeup in *their* studio kits...I won't touch any of it. I have NO idea how many times a girl just picked up a lipstick or an eyeliner pencil and smeared it directly on her face, I don't know how many times a powder was double dipped into, how many fingers touched the insides of the foundation bottles , etc etc.

Wouldn't it just be fine to sharpen and saturate an eyeliner with alcohol? As well as powders can be saturated and let dry

Also, I would suggest not carrying anything in a bottle such as foundation if there's a chance someone else will be roaming around

Apr 14 13 06:17 am  Link  Quote 
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Makeup Artist
TheMakeupMan
Posts: 3,731
Los Angeles, California, US


Linda Chudomelova wrote:
Any reason why you can't re-use false lashes? I sanitize and re-use mine regularly.

To the OP, I'd suggest finding another MUA or two to work with. It will save you the headache. Good tools you provide won't mean the llamas will be able to do an equivalently good job as an MUA with them.

unless they are 25 dollar a pair mink lashes i wouldnt even attempt reusing lashes

one..... lashes are super cheap and by the time you clean them, they are damaged and  youve already spent more time than the value of buying a new set of lashes besides the risk of infection and it just seeming kind of cheap

if they are super expensive I get it otherwise you can buy lashes in bulk for super cheap and it always seems nicer giving someone a fresh pair

Apr 14 13 09:04 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Linda Chudomelova
Posts: 133
Prague, Prague, Czech Republic


Rachel-Elise  wrote:

Eyes have the ability to carry nasty diseases that can oftentimes only be killed by applying a hospital-grade disinfectant or with extremely high levels of heat, both of which would ruin fake lashes. I don't know what you're using, but if they're usable after sanitation, you probably aren't using strong enough stuff.

Cheap, good lashes are relatively simple to find. The solution is to give the lashes to the llama and get new ones, just like you would disposable mascara brushes.
TheMakeupMan wrote:
unless they are 25 dollar a pair mink lashes i wouldnt even attempt reusing lashes

one..... lashes are super cheap and by the time you clean them, they are damaged and  youve already spent more time than the value of buying a new set of lashes besides the risk of infection and it just seeming kind of cheap

if they are super expensive I get it otherwise you can buy lashes in bulk for super cheap and it always seems nicer giving someone a fresh pair

You learn something new every day. Thanks. smile

Apr 14 13 10:04 am  Link  Quote 
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