Forums > Photography Talk > Trying to get my images removed from website

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Four-Eleven Productions

Posts: 762

Fircrest, Washington, US

I found a website that is displaying dozens of my images—placed there not by the site itself, but by individuals posting to the various threads.

For reasons I won't explain here, I want them taken down. I'm not seeking damages, would prefer not to get lawyers involved, and aren't interested in starting a big food-fight. I just want the images down. Now.

The website is Anonib.com. Its disclaimer at the bottom of each web page says, "Administrators and Moderators are not responsible for user's posts." Can they really hide behind that flimsy statement? And if they can, if it's really that easy, why doesn't every website use it?

If you have any familiarity with this site, or any advice for achieving my goal in the quickest and cleanest possible way, I would appreciate your wisdom.

Apr 17 13 10:28 am Link

Photographer

ME_

Posts: 3152

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Have you tried sending a DMCA notice to the ISP?

Apr 17 13 10:37 am Link

Photographer

Kezins Photography

Posts: 1389

Beckley, West Virginia, US

Sites are responsible for content uploaded by users.  Contact the ISP.

Apr 17 13 11:04 am Link

Photographer

Looknsee Photography

Posts: 26342

Portland, Oregon, US

My premise...

It is exceedingly easy to escalate hostilities, and
It is exceedingly difficult to de-escalate hostilities.


I would start with a polite but firm request to the administrators of the web site to remove the images.  Be prepared to specify which images are in question, and be prepared to offer a little proof that these images are, indeed, yours (I've done so be showing the administrators some out-takes from the session).  Some sites might request that you fill out a form -- do so.

If that doesn't work, send them a DMCA take-down notice, and cc their web host.

I've never had to go beyond that.

Apr 17 13 11:15 am Link

Photographer

Bill M

Posts: 79

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Apr 17 13 11:21 am Link

Photographer

American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

ME_ wrote:
Have you tried sending a DMCA notice to the ISP?

Will Snizek wrote:
Sites are responsible for content uploaded by users.  Contact the ISP.

If it is a site, as described by the OP, i.e. one where the users are uploading the images, he can start by sending a DMCA to the site.  You don't send a DMCA takedown notice to the infringer, ever.  It is usually only necessary to send the DMCA to the ISP if the site owner doesn't reply in the case of the OP.

Bear in mind, not all site operators have ISP's.  I host many of my sites myself.  The purpose of the DMCA notice is to protect the site operator from liability as a result of content uploaded to his site.  It would be foolish for the site to ignore the DMCA takedown notice.  So long as they comply, they are not liable for infringement.

So, if it were me, i'd send the site the takedown notice first.  It is much easier to find them, and there may or may not be an underlying ISP.

Apr 17 13 11:26 am Link

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liddellphoto

Posts: 1801

London, England, United Kingdom

I very much doubt a site like anonib.com would be hosted in the US (so you can file a DMCA) or even anywhere where they will take any such request seriously. It is probably privately hosted anyway. Walk away and save yourself the headache.

Apr 17 13 11:36 am Link

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AVD AlphaDuctions

Posts: 10747

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

liddellphoto wrote:
I very much doubt a site like anonib.com would be hosted in the US (so you can file a DMCA) or even anywhere where they will take any such request seriously. It is probably privately hosted anyway. Walk away and save yourself the headache.

why would you say something like that? why not take 10 seconds and find out instead of seriously doubting? what is the point of seriously doubting when the actual answer is out there?
I took the 10 seconds.   both anonib.com and their nameservers are on US soil.

Apr 17 13 12:02 pm Link

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Instinct Images

Posts: 23162

San Diego, California, US

Are the images actually on the website in question or are they linked? For example you can't upload images into threads in this forum you have to link them. If that's the case you need to notify the site that has hosted the images.

Apr 17 13 12:18 pm Link

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AVD AlphaDuctions

Posts: 10747

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Instinct Images wrote:
Are the images actually on the website in question or are they linked? For example you can't upload images into threads in this forum you have to link them. If that's the case you need to notify the site that has hosted the images.

directly hosting.  but dont try it, in this case take my word for it. I'm not recommending anyone click on that site without serious protection/firewalls/etc. in place.

Apr 17 13 12:32 pm Link

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studio36uk

Posts: 22898

Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna

Will Snizek wrote:
Sites are responsible for content uploaded by users.  Contact the ISP.

Not true in general. See: 47 USC §230

There may be circumstances where individual sites can be made responsible, but they will always attempt to rely on, and argue that they can rely on, the §230 safe harbor.

As to infringement they also have a safe harbor in the DMCA [17 USC §512] - PROVIDED - that they comply in full and in detail with the requirements that apply to them.

The site is Chinese registered BUT the hosting is via CloudFlare who operates in the US. You can serve CloudFlare with a DMCA notice. The above referenced law(s) will, and do, apply to CloudFlare.

Studio36

Apr 17 13 12:40 pm Link

Photographer

Four-Eleven Productions

Posts: 762

Fircrest, Washington, US

Many thanks, everyone. I'll report back how it goes.

Apr 17 13 03:31 pm Link

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Wolfy4u

Posts: 1103

Grand Junction, Colorado, US

I've had to contact sites and ask them to remove images that I owned. I've found every site I talked to anxious to avoid problems and the images were always removed within a day or two. Sometimes, you'll get transfered 2-3 times before you find the right person to help you.

Apr 17 13 04:52 pm Link

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FullMetalPhotographer

Posts: 2797

Fresno, California, US

As the Late Great AL Davis would say "Let Loose The Lawyers".

Apr 17 13 05:22 pm Link

Photographer

Four-Eleven Productions

Posts: 762

Fircrest, Washington, US

fullmetalphotographer wrote:
As the Late Great AL Davis would say "Let Loose The Lawyers".

I really hope it doesn't have to come to that. Am I being naive in thinking it shouldn't have to?

Apr 17 13 05:58 pm Link

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RR223

Posts: 142

TURNERS STATION, Kentucky, US

At the top of the page, it says:

"Hello, please report all spam, illegal images, personal info, etc. Please help us clean anonib.com to stay live and good chan! http://www.anonib.com/abuse.php".

Try going to that link and being nice about it first.  If that doesn't work, go the DMCA route as suggested by others.

Also, as others have suggested, figure out where the images are hosted.  If they images are linked from an image hosting service, you'll need to send a DMCA to them in order to get the images removed.  Chances are, those images are probably also posted on other forums.  Getting rid of the image at the place where it's hosted will get rid of all illegal forum posts at the same time.

Apr 17 13 06:20 pm Link

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AVD AlphaDuctions

Posts: 10747

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Ron Wainscott wrote:
At the top of the page, it says:

"Hello, please report all spam, illegal images, personal info, etc. Please help us clean anonib.com to stay live and good chan! http://www.anonib.com/abuse.php".

Try going to that link and being nice about it first.  If that doesn't work, go the DMCA route as suggested by others.

Also, as others have suggested, figure out where the images are hosted.  If they images are linked from an image hosting service, you'll need to send a DMCA to them in order to get the images removed.  Chances are, those images are probably also posted on other forums.  Getting rid of the image at the place where it's hosted will get rid of all illegal forum posts at the same time.

that link does not display for everyone. I cant see what my popup blocker found to make it not appear but its not there. weird.  Even weirder. I went to view page source and I cant find that string or even the word abuse on the page.
I can click on your link and get the abuse form but how to get to it is not on the home page for me. I suspect it wasnt for the OP either or they would not have asked.

Apr 17 13 06:58 pm Link

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Ken Marcus Studios

Posts: 9421

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Four-Eleven Productions wrote:
I really hope it doesn't have to come to that. Am I being naive in thinking it shouldn't have to?

A week doesn't go by when I don't have to issue at least three DMCA notices.

I have hardly ever had a problem with a website removing my images once I send the notice. Usually takes no more than a day or two.

Just send a notice to the webmaster at whatever url the site is, and you'll probably get your images removed asap.

KM

Apr 17 13 07:03 pm Link

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David Stone Imaging

Posts: 1032

Seattle, Washington, US

Instinct Images wrote:
Are the images actually on the website in question or are they linked? For example you can't upload images into threads in this forum you have to link them. If that's the case you need to notify the site that has hosted the images.

AVD AlphaDuctions wrote:
directly hosting.  but dont try it, in this case take my word for it. I'm not recommending anyone click on that site without serious protection/firewalls/etc. in place.

I'm nearly certain it was the anonib.com site I went to after reading other complaints here and got a virus that systematically wiped everything on my hard drive.  It went right past the free version of AVG antivirus.  It had been about a month since my last drive clone, so I ended up losing a half-dozen shoots.  (Now...all shoots go onto an external drive right away, and that gets backed up also.)

Apr 17 13 08:30 pm Link

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FullMetalPhotographer

Posts: 2797

Fresno, California, US

Four-Eleven Productions wrote:

I really hope it doesn't have to come to that. Am I being naive in thinking it shouldn't have to?

"Think about it this way: a person picks up a sword when he's trying to protect something. Perhaps it's your life or your social status, maybe a reputation, a loved one, or personal beliefs. The movites may be completely different, but in the end, it's the same desire to protect something."- Yoruichi, Bleach

I may have been raised by a pack of lawyers (mom & dad) I tend to find in copyright violations you will get a quicker response with a lawyer's letterhead than a photographer's.

Apr 18 13 03:33 am Link